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In reply to the discussion: My co-worker lectured me on rudeness of a large tip [View all]tpsbmam
(3,927 posts)143. "What is it about being served that makes people forget their manners?"
I kid you not, that's the front page this week of our local weekly independent paper, Mountain Xpress (Asheville, NC). I picked it up today and immediately thought of your thread.
I found it online when I got home -- four paragraphs from the article, The Tipping Point:
Still, Gilfillan, like many servers, is paid slightly more than $2 an hour, a standard restaurant practice (the federal minimum wage does not apply to tipped employees). "We rely on tips to make our living," she says. As is the case with many servers, the wages go to pay the income tax on her tips.
Many people either aren't aware that servers live exclusively on tips or they feign ignorance, Gilfillan says. Even though Gilfillan is friendly and mentally capable she's holding down a double major in French and psychology at UNCA she ticks off a number of stories about people flat refusing to leave her a gratuity. U.S. News & World Report says that all service providers should be tipped from 18 to 22 percent, calling the 10 to 15 percent tip archaic. Twenty percent seems to be the industry standard for good service (Condé Nast Traveler backs this up) and even more for exceptional service.
Although, on plenty of days Gilfillan and her co-workers walk out with pockets of cash, she says that watching parties leave $3 (or even nothing) on a check of $100 is a common occurrence. Gilfillan shrugs. "I just don't think they see us as real people," she says.
Still, tourists will fawn over artists in the River Arts District, but not so much when theyre jotting down orders at their dinner table. McGee says servers sometimes are reduced to food-carrying machines in the minds of some diners ever hear the termwaitron? "People don't want to see their server's humanity so much," McGee says.
Many people either aren't aware that servers live exclusively on tips or they feign ignorance, Gilfillan says. Even though Gilfillan is friendly and mentally capable she's holding down a double major in French and psychology at UNCA she ticks off a number of stories about people flat refusing to leave her a gratuity. U.S. News & World Report says that all service providers should be tipped from 18 to 22 percent, calling the 10 to 15 percent tip archaic. Twenty percent seems to be the industry standard for good service (Condé Nast Traveler backs this up) and even more for exceptional service.
Although, on plenty of days Gilfillan and her co-workers walk out with pockets of cash, she says that watching parties leave $3 (or even nothing) on a check of $100 is a common occurrence. Gilfillan shrugs. "I just don't think they see us as real people," she says.
Still, tourists will fawn over artists in the River Arts District, but not so much when theyre jotting down orders at their dinner table. McGee says servers sometimes are reduced to food-carrying machines in the minds of some diners ever hear the termwaitron? "People don't want to see their server's humanity so much," McGee says.
Hmmmmmmm, sounds to me like it's the people who stiff the wait staff who are insulting them.....well, I'll be damned! Thought it had to be "over" tipping that's insulting.
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I leave larger than 20% sometimes. Certainly hope I wasn't "Degrading" anyone
Liberal_in_LA
Jul 2012
#2
You weren't. The coworker referenced in the letter made that up to justify her stinginess.
yardwork
Jul 2012
#47
I was standing outside a London hotel, when my cab drove up, an American couple asked to share
Liberal_in_LA
Jul 2012
#102
Agreed. I have never left less than 20% no matter how bad the service was. The main reason
Booster
Jul 2012
#3
You have some excellent karma awaiting you and I applaud your spirit! - n/t
coalition_unwilling
Jul 2012
#21
Definitely a bit easier than 15% or some other fraction. Because 25% is
coalition_unwilling
Jul 2012
#88
I always did too. Then I became a server to earn some extra cash a few years back and then
stevenleser
Jul 2012
#112
I always ask the question of those people: if all servers "got real jobs", who would wait on them?
NYC Liberal
Jul 2012
#23
When I eat out I leave one forth to one third of the bill as a tip. They work hard
roguevalley
Jul 2012
#15
Always leave at least 20%, but often wonder if the server actually gets the full tip.
Fla Dem
Jul 2012
#41
I did 3 months as a waiter nearly 30 years ago and now that I can afford it, 20% is starting.....
Rowdyboy
Jul 2012
#4
We still have a grocery store here (an IGA) but its just cheaper for us with our limited budget
cstanleytech
Jul 2012
#10
If that's the case, then I feel sorry for y'all. The catfish we get around here is delicious.
Arkansas Granny
Jul 2012
#75
In some States, yes, in others no. Here in Oregon, they get minimum wage of $8.80 an hour
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2012
#66
If you should question this, I recently found one answer that will dispel all doubts.
calimary
Jul 2012
#13
I leave a buck in the jar. 2, if my kid has taken her sweet time ordering....
msanthrope
Jul 2012
#61
I think before traveling to any country you should understand tipping policies
LynneSin
Jul 2012
#86
I know someone who was a waitress and worked bar who liked the job but not the pay
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2012
#19
If you can't afford 5% more, SHOULD you even be eating out? Kinda ir-re$pon$ible don't you think?
patrice
Jul 2012
#116
My husband's father used to say, "If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out".
canoeist52
Jul 2012
#34
When I heard that someone was claiming the waitress would be denigrated by a large tip, I started to
Texas Lawyer
Jul 2012
#129
Yep, that works, too! (Even though I notice you introduced some advanced cipherin', there.)
Buns_of_Fire
Jul 2012
#67
It is ok to ask fellow diners what might be an appropriate tip. It is not ok to lecture someone
yellowcanine
Jul 2012
#45
My theory: The criticism that people issue at others is most fitting for the person criticizing
KurtNYC
Jul 2012
#46
In many restaurants the servers are required to pass on a percentage of the tips to the kitchen.
yellowcanine
Jul 2012
#115
awesome story. Tip for people staying in hotels - try to find your housekeeper and tip her
Liberal_in_LA
Jul 2012
#100
Honey you hold your head high and don't be afraid to leave a good tip if you can afford to.
southernyankeebelle
Jul 2012
#79
Ask the co-worker what minimum wage is & when was the last time they worked for it. nt
patrice
Jul 2012
#109
Ask the co-worker how many hours s/he has to work to make rent/mortgage or car payment.
patrice
Jul 2012
#113
and what effect that amount of time might have upon quality of family life. nt
patrice
Jul 2012
#114
Ha! Brits are like that too. My cousin, a Londoner, was EMBARASSED by my tipping in a pub.
PassingFair
Jul 2012
#137
As a 61 year old waiter I can't say that I have never had a tip large enough to insult me.
marble falls
Jul 2012
#136
I recently spent several days with girlfriends I've known for >50 years. We were in DC.
mnhtnbb
Jul 2012
#140
My wife and I are big tippers. My uncle, brother, and two good friends - all quite wealthy -
NRaleighLiberal
Jul 2012
#141
I rarely tip below 20% and usually more - and I always try to leave the tip in cash
dflprincess
Jul 2012
#144
20% for waiter/waitress. Almost like a robot. I don't want to think about it at all.
limpyhobbler
Jul 2012
#147