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csziggy

(34,189 posts)
48. A society that raises killers as young as 18 has failed
Fri May 19, 2017, 09:40 AM
May 2017

They are lost just as surely as the 6 year old is lost.

Certainly I have more sympathy for the loss of the 6 year old and the grief of his family. But if we do not make an effort to understand how the two killers became what they are we will continue to see this cycle and we will continue to lose both victims and perpetrators - both groups could contribute so much more to the benefit of our country.

Elizabeth George, the author of the Inspector Thomas Lynley mystery series, wrote a plot in which Lynley's wife was killed in one book of the series (With No One As Witness).

Her next book was What Came Before He Shot Her:

October, 2006
The brutal, inexplicable death of Inspector Thomas Lynley’s wife has left Scotland Yard shocked and searching for answers. Even more horrifying is that the trigger was apparently pulled by a twelve-year-old boy. Who is he? Where did he come from? And what were the circumstances that led to his final act of desperation?
That story begins on the other side of London in rough North Kensington, where the three, mixed-race, virtually orphaned Campbell children are bounced first from their grandmother to their aunt.
http://www.elizabethgeorgeonline.com/books.htm


George investigates in excruciating detail how the system failed the child/killer. After reading that book, I find it hard to simply want punitive measures taken against young killers. Something brought them to that stage and a normal society with healthy systems would not do that.

If anything is destroying our country, it is the failure of our systems to educate children, to give them the tools they need to lead their lives with some degree of success, and to help them when they need it.

Those two 18 year old killers are lost. They will go to prison (or to the death chamber) and will not be helped so if they ever get out of prison they can work on better lives. They are probably so damaged that no amount of work would make them able to lead productive lives (whatever that phrase might mean) but that should not blind us to the fact that we are failing the children of our country - and now the Republicans want to cut the budgets of the very systems that we need to strengthen to help them.

Yes, we could echo the cries of "Lock 'em up!" but how will just doing that prevent another tragedy like this?

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very very tragic, but I'm still not for the death penalty luvMIdog May 2017 #1
Same here. BigDemVoter May 2017 #18
Agreed, a long sentence in the Delta is punishment harsh enough Ronan the Accuser May 2017 #31
Yes, the death penalty would be letting them off HeartachesNhangovers May 2017 #37
There are some people walking around that COLGATE4 May 2017 #2
Three lives ended in one fell swoop, two deservedly. WinkyDink May 2017 #3
And all for a 2000 Toyota Camry. EL34x4 May 2017 #13
It's totally unjustifiable in any way Calculating May 2017 #15
Monsters - And, in this case, I am for the death penalty packman May 2017 #4
I don't support the death penalty. Agschmid May 2017 #5
Death would be too easy for these kind madokie May 2017 #14
Oh, is this a death penalty thread? WhiskeyGrinder May 2017 #6
Another undeterred heinous crime in a state that already has the death penalty. tenderfoot May 2017 #7
Good point. The death penalty didn't stop this horrible crime. yardwork May 2017 #20
I'm neutral on the penalty, but no law prevents this kind of depravity. lindysalsagal May 2017 #47
hopefully it will be a quick ride to the d.c. for these 2. Ohioblue22 May 2017 #8
I think life in 6x8 windowless cell with no books, no tv, no radio is better. NutmegYankee May 2017 #9
All of a sudden I'm ill madokie May 2017 #10
I am sorry. I am always against the death penalty. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #11
Throw away the keys malaise May 2017 #12
Skip the trial and go straight to the chamber! I am crying! mfcorey1 May 2017 #16
Really? Jake Stern May 2017 #27
Yes, I am emotionally charged and stand by my post. mfcorey1 May 2017 #38
Lynching is very rightly illegal in this country. Mariana May 2017 #30
The NRA Blames The 6 Year Old SoCalMusicLover May 2017 #17
+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #22
Oh the photo of that sweet little boy just broke my heart. Laffy Kat May 2017 #19
Same here. What a sweet little face. How could anyone point a gun at such an innocent little smirkymonkey May 2017 #23
... Rhiannon12866 May 2017 #45
Star sanctioned murder needs to end. Nt NCTraveler May 2017 #21
... Skittles May 2017 #24
The boy might have been scared and crying. lpbk2713 May 2017 #28
Life in prison. NO separation from the general prison population. roamer65 May 2017 #25
Nope Jake Stern May 2017 #26
I would imagine life in prison, in gen pop, with no AC allowance, radio or TV Ronan the Accuser May 2017 #32
Just when you think the depravity could not be worse... AngryAmish May 2017 #29
awful, but doesn't prove anything bigtree May 2017 #33
NO death penalty. WRONG WRONG WRONG Stinky The Clown May 2017 #34
No, no death penalty. It doesn't deter and won't bring that poor baby back. nolabear May 2017 #35
No death penalty, I have something better... stevenleser May 2017 #36
Put these two in the back of a car taught_me_patience May 2017 #39
Two kids kill another one for a piece of junk car - how have we failed! csziggy May 2017 #40
Don't forget the mom Calculating May 2017 #41
All the mothers will go through hell csziggy May 2017 #42
the killers are 18 years old and old enough to know better JI7 May 2017 #44
A society that raises killers as young as 18 has failed csziggy May 2017 #48
the only one i feel bad for is the innocent child . the other two had a choice and were old enough JI7 May 2017 #43
I hope they rot Nonhlanhla May 2017 #46
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