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187. The problem is not the generator.

Reply to Baitball Blogger (Original post)

Sat Jul 7, 2012, 12:37 PM

Jul 2012

The problem is the noise. Laws regarding these generators shouldn't say when you can and can not run one, but how much noise it is allowed to make at any particular time of day.

After our last hurricane we modded out a few generators for people using car mufflers. What was once an extremely noisy generator became a power source you could stand right next to and have a normal conversation. The mods only ran $50 to $75 and only took about an hour to do.

Another thing to think about is location. Placing your generator in the inside corner at the back of the house with the exhaust pointed into it turns the house into a giant amplifier. Common sense is not so common it seems.

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The only person I know with an automatic generator Robb Jul 2012 #1

In that case, it would be acceptable. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #2

Yah, well, I think you're not going to win this one. MineralMan Jul 2012 #3

Thanks for the information, but there is a major flaw in applying your Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #7

What you think they need SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #11

That's not how noise ordinances are handled in other areas. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #17

I long for the day SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #21

This is just one straw of many. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #23

Ah, then isn't really the generator SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #24

On the contrary. I tolerated it as long as I could. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #36

Again, you're unlikely to be able to change the situation. MineralMan Jul 2012 #22

Just out of curiousity, are you working off known law, or is this just your opinion? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #27

Everything I write here is my opinion, which you MineralMan Jul 2012 #30

I'm hoping that publicity will resolve the issue. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #40

All kinds of people that seem healthy and normal have issues that require power TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #47

He won't listen. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #52

I think you posted the wrong link maddezmom Jul 2012 #59

I have. Thanks for pointing it out. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #63

Auschwitz? Really? Brickbat Jul 2012 #76

It's pretty close to the windows. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #86

You do realize that making the comparison of a generator running outside your window Brickbat Jul 2012 #98

Exactly. HappyMe Jul 2012 #102

Expect more hyperbole as I continue to lose sleep. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #164

Not that I expect an answer SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #170

Once, a long time ago. I found them annoying. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #237

Your neighbor probably finds it annoying SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #286

+1 nt MADem Jul 2012 #301

I need emergency power within an hour of an outage ...... oldhippie Jul 2012 #142

Me thinks the person Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #228

Me thinks you haven't read the original post. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #241

Air conditioning. Heaters. Comfort. Buy a set of $1.00 ear plugs uppityperson Jul 2012 #186

And ear plugs keep the cockroaches out too Submariner Jul 2012 #306

I cannot believe a jury let this stand. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #305

Beware of comparisons like this, as backlash may commeth, keystone writer uppityperson Jul 2012 #307

I too have a transfer switch for my generator. notadmblnd Jul 2012 #179

We don't have ice storms in Florida. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #242

extreme heat can be just as debilitating as extreme cold notadmblnd Jul 2012 #255

Now that you mention it, there was nobody in the house during the Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #263

I don't know what to tell you. I live behind an international airport notadmblnd Jul 2012 #272

There's nothing that an extra $100,000 won't fix. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #274

People do have to be considerate flobee1 Jul 2012 #4

That's all I'm looking for. Some sensible reasoning that makes life bearable Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #13

Some places I've lived have db levels for acceptable noise levels. Then one RKP5637 Jul 2012 #191

I wonder how much those db meter cost? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #243

I think temperature, humidity and wind direction affect the transfer of sound loudness. I just RKP5637 Jul 2012 #247

An older person could have many reasons for needing an automatic generator, pnwmom Jul 2012 #69

How close is it to your house, just out of curiousity? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #88

I had it sitting about 15 ft flobee1 Jul 2012 #106

15 feet from the house is the recommended distance. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #245

I think about 20-25 feet, but I haven't measured. nt pnwmom Jul 2012 #116

No lights at night for 5 blocks in any direction during the last outage flobee1 Jul 2012 #104

I can't see that far, with all the vegetation and hilliness around here. Five blocks? Wow. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #120

I wish I had the money for a whole house, automatic generator SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #5

There are variables which make my situation unbearable. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #8

If the noise is unbearable SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #14

So you don't have a problem if I start playing elevator noise at two in the morning? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #42

Personally, it wouldn't bother me SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #51

If noise doesn't bother you at all--or so you say since it's not an immediate problem, Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #56

I don't let little things bother me SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #61

You're making a subjective decision on something you know absolutely nothing about. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #70

I live right next door to one and my only reaction to it is jealousy, pnwmom Jul 2012 #78

I was born in the tropics. I can stand the heat. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #90

Here's another tip, given to me by a doctor. pnwmom Jul 2012 #110

Actually, it was very helpful last night when I wrote a sign that said, Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #246

I'm shocked, I tell you, just shocked n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #285

I can imagine that would be very helpful, based on my own experience pnwmom Jul 2012 #312

As are you, on two points SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #81

You haven't told me how close that generator is to your house. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #92

Actually, I did tell you in another post SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #97

Elevator music serves no purpose and isn't "white noise," like a generator. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #71

Gotcha! Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #93

I consider it white noise, and I live next door to one. Once it's on, it's a bland, continuous hum. pnwmom Jul 2012 #119

It makes me feel like a trapped animal because it sounds so unnatural. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #248

I have a whole house automatic generator and it makes less noise than byeya Jul 2012 #74

lawnmowers and leaf blowers are incredibly loud. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #96

Guess that will be your next target SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #99

Not unless they try to do it at night. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #249

Some of us work night shift, like hospital nurses and try to sleep during day when those uppityperson Jul 2012 #256

I've kept up SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #288

+1 wordpix Jul 2012 #175

I would like one of those too--a natural gas one. nt MADem Jul 2012 #303

The power goes out in my town regularly. Tracer Jul 2012 #6

You hit the key issue. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #10

I would need one for my CPAP and there are plenty of people with breathing problems hobbit709 Jul 2012 #39

Hi hobbit. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #45

You keep asserting that there is "no health issue" PotatoChip Jul 2012 #162

Though it's something to think about, there is no one in this neighborhood who has Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #251

My neighbor died last week when the power went down for a little over an hour. bluedigger Jul 2012 #9

No one is sick next door. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #12

Mutual accommodation is always the first and best way to resolve differences. bluedigger Jul 2012 #44

He's got good ole boy connections. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #50

So, based on your OP SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #53

I took a law class and the issue of noise nuisance is a big concern Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #60

OH you took a law class SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #66

Just looking for the law on the matter. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #100

What is the local ordinance? Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #279

Well, there's always the traditional method of conflict resolution. bluedigger Jul 2012 #62

I know. That's why I'm hoping this thread will reach someone who has been there before, Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #101

Oooh, a file SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #109

stop it you're killing me... dionysus Jul 2012 #152

First, you need to document your injury. bluedigger Jul 2012 #123

Outside temp, humidity, all the weather info also. uppityperson Jul 2012 #196

db meter is definitely something I will invest in. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #252

Weather will give possible reasons WHY they are using generators. uppityperson Jul 2012 #254

We aren't having major heat issues at night. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #275

you said it's happening a few times a year. did it go off last night? maddezmom Jul 2012 #276

Have you answered anyone asking why you don't just use earplugs? pnwmom Jul 2012 #127

Yes. Several times. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #253

There are a bunch of different kinds and some are more comfortable than others. pnwmom Jul 2012 #310

Thank you. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #311

Perhaps you'll feel better after catching up on your sleep. HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #15

This will be an ongoing issue, so a nap will not matter. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #18

My wife and I intend to install an automatic generator. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #16

Hope you have a large sideyard between houses. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #20

Where we lived in the southern mountains we had to buy a propane tank for byeya Jul 2012 #103

Heres a little tip I learned years ago madokie Jul 2012 #108

great suggestion maddezmom Jul 2012 #112

I'll look to see if I can find a good source Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #198

Earplugs work wonders. hobbit709 Jul 2012 #19

Exactly. Those of us who'd have a problem with generator noise, would have a problem pnwmom Jul 2012 #84

You know the only kind of "white noise" I tolerate is natural Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #105

My alarm clock can be set to make the sound all night. If it's on when you go to sleep, pnwmom Jul 2012 #114

I might try something in the future, but I think that comment number 138 has been Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #166

Maybe they don't want a freezer load of frozen food to be ruined? (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #25

Freezers don't defrost in five hours if you're not constantly opening and closing the door. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #28

Look, you've already admitted that this is just the latest issue with the neighbor SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #34

This is a symptom to a larger disease. A pattern that continues and needs to be stopped. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #107

I don't need case law to back up my opinion, because I'm not trying to sue anyone SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #139

This is only the first day of the search. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #167

i think you're exhibit A of the symptom, actually. and you're quite ticked off and surprised that dionysus Jul 2012 #158

Not surprised at all. However, there are some people that understand the Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #169

Invest in some ear plugs. tammywammy Jul 2012 #26

Oh, he knows how I feel. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #31

I doubt very much that the President of The United States MineralMan Jul 2012 #41

I'm just about there with you SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #57

Since the both of you have nothing but opinion to add to the discussion, Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #113

And all you have is opinion as well SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #135

I have more than opinion. I have property rights. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #171

To your first point, your property rights are not being violated, based on what you've already said SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #180

You are a literal man, Mineral Man. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #111

wth? why are you bringing Obama into this? maddezmom Jul 2012 #67

Auschwitz too! HappyMe Jul 2012 #80

yup maddezmom Jul 2012 #91

Same response. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #118

My gosh. Am I the only one that knows that generators give off exhaust? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #117

Only if you run them inside an enclosed space. hobbit709 Jul 2012 #132

No. They give off exhaust even when they're outside. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #172

So do cars. Are you going after them next? Good god, a CAR!! Idling 2 door down! Auschwitz!!!!1111 uppityperson Jul 2012 #197

I'm glad you're having fun at my expense. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #257

Which bothers you worse? The noise or the exhaust? I thought this was about the noise? And did you uppityperson Jul 2012 #260

Why can't we multi-task on this thread? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #266

OK, multi-task. The Auschwitz comparison is offensive. Would you edit it out? uppityperson Jul 2012 #271

Thank you uppityperson. It *is* offensive. PotatoChip Jul 2012 #281

I would hate for them to be locked out of their topic for a hidden post. uppityperson Jul 2012 #283

But not at dangerous levels hobbit709 Jul 2012 #277

of course they do maddezmom Jul 2012 #136

You're not the one who has to sit and wait to find out if it becomes a Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #173

I'd suggest if you are concerned you purchase a carbon monoxide alarm maddezmom Jul 2012 #182

Exactly. That and a db meter. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #258

Carbon monoxide detectors aren't expensive tammywammy Jul 2012 #185

Thank you. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #259

So now it's not the noise, it's the CO? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #143

Point to me where I said I wanted generators banned. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #177

What you don't seem to understand SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #207

Here is my response to Mineral Man Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #115

have you contacted your HOA? or an attorney? maddezmom Jul 2012 #125

If I have another experience with a lawyer, I want to know the answers before I ask the questions. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #178

you just jumped the shark by trying to bring Obama into this. dionysus Jul 2012 #165

You're just taking the comment too literally. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #181

sorry you can't sleep through them maddezmom Jul 2012 #29

I'm only opposed to them at night when there is no reason for them to come on. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #33

And who made you the arbiter of what constitutes "reason for them to come on"? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #43

Property laws. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #82

And you've said that your local property laws permit this SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #94

It happens here all the time. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #121

If the local laws allow the noise, then what grounds do you think you have? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #131

So who are you to decide that there is HappyMe Jul 2012 #46

Property Laws and Noise Nuisance Issues. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #122

More of the neighbors here HappyMe Jul 2012 #38

My folks got one a few years ago after a power outage in MI for 10+ days maddezmom Jul 2012 #58

Sounds like they live in a rural area where they have long periods without power. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #126

no they live in a suburban neighborhood. Probably 40 feet between one neighbor and 100 feet of maddezmom Jul 2012 #146

We live about 35 feet apart from house to house. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #188

why don't you build the barrier or ask them to go in with you on the cost? maddezmom Jul 2012 #192

The man makes nearly $200,000 annual taxpayer paid income Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #203

so you haven't discussed this with your neighbor maddezmom Jul 2012 #209

Interesting SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #211

that sounds like a proper reason to have a generator. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #124

So noisy generators are the fault of republicans now? flvegan Jul 2012 #32

I'm pointing out the inconsistency in their philosophy. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #35

I fail to see how this falls under a supposed violation of your property rights. flvegan Jul 2012 #64

You're in real estate and don't know about noise nuisance? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #75

But you've already said that the noise ordinance is not being broken n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #89

Haven't confirmed that. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #128

I am and I do. flvegan Jul 2012 #194

Well, it might explain why we have so many residental problems in Florida. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #206

We do have a good amount of whining prats here, if that's what you mean. flvegan Jul 2012 #215

Agree SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #37

Do you live next to a house with an automatic generator? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #65

Yes, I do SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #73

How close is it to your house? Is there any barriers to cut down on the noise? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #77

No barriers, and about 15 feet from my bedroom wall and a window n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #83

And you don't have hearing problems? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #130

No, I have no hearing problems n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #140

I understand your point of view liberal N proud Jul 2012 #48

I think we've reduced the issue to night noise. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #134

I grew up next to railroad tracks liberal N proud Jul 2012 #163

I think there's a part of the brain that adjusts for the limited interruption. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #208

Actually that is backwards. Brains adjust for constant noise vs intermittent. uppityperson Jul 2012 #210

I'm glad you're not my neighbor.. Upton Jul 2012 #49

After about four posts, I kept seeing Gladys Kravitz in my mind's eye n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #68

Check out my website. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #72

Oh wow, nightmare??!! It must be hard being you n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #87

I'm as normal as they come, more tolerant than most. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #137

Oh yeah, you're very tolerant SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #141

It's taken me over ten years to reach this point. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #145

I'm bored SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #161

At least we've reached the point where you admit that you're here Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #193

Your "nightmare"..?? Upton Jul 2012 #129

There's a two million dollar settlement in a Tampa archive that points out Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #144

Heaven forbid that a local community make decisions for themselves SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #147

Fraud and conspiracies normal in your area, are they? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #189

Many places have to have a pump on their property.... NCTraveler Jul 2012 #54

Yep, if we don't have power, we don't have water, either. It's a drag. Brickbat Jul 2012 #79

That's an emergency use of a generator. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #190

Where is this located? And what is the distance between the houses? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #148

You do realize how easy it is to see if they are breaking the..... NCTraveler Jul 2012 #234

Earplugs are cheap, safe, and easy to use. pnwmom Jul 2012 #55

Having those things in my ears every night will only aggravate my insomnia. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #149

Which type have you tried? Any? The soft quishy foam ones? Have you ever tried any or just assuming? uppityperson Jul 2012 #200

If I were to go into what it takes for me to fall asleep, we could begin a whole different thread. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #212

You haven't tried any, just assume they won't work. That'll look good in court. uppityperson Jul 2012 #218

Just for you, uppityperson, I will try them on before I go to court. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #230

the best we've found, most comfortable, are the squishy foam ones with rounded ends uppityperson Jul 2012 #240

Here... Ian David Jul 2012 #85

I fall asleep to white noise. That would never work for me. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #150

You'd rather take it to court than TRY earplugs. Wow. uppityperson Jul 2012 #201

I'm trying to tell you that earplugs won't work. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #213

You are unwilling to even try earplugs. Would rather go to court. Gotcha. uppityperson Jul 2012 #216

You are very blessed not to understand the complications of insomina. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #231

You are very blessed with the gift of assuming. nt uppityperson Jul 2012 #236

how often is this happening? maddezmom Jul 2012 #204

Something has been going on recently. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #214

A few times a year? Again, I suggest talking to your neighbor. maddezmom Jul 2012 #238

The fault is with your electric utility. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #95

This is a Republican county so I don't expect the situation to get better. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #151

Get earplugs JVS Jul 2012 #133

I'm an insominac that falls asleep to white noise. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #153

Find out what the noise Turbineguy Jul 2012 #138

138 remarks before someone responds in a reasonable manner. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #156

did you read #108? maddezmom Jul 2012 #159

And he won't try earplugs because he already knows "they won't work". uppityperson Jul 2012 #202

Yes, thank you! I went to hunt it down after reading your comment. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #217

When is an emergency not an emergency? alphafemale Jul 2012 #154

I refuse to be abused. I've been a victim for too long. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #157

I feel abused and victimized by your definitions of abuse and victimhood. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #168

You have an easy out. Put me on ignore and you shall be FREE! Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #219

Abusing the 911 system with frivolous calls makes you the victim? uppityperson Jul 2012 #205

We've run our generator at night before. noamnety Jul 2012 #155

Sounds to me your situation qualifies as an emergency. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #160

and what of the CPAP machines? noamnety Jul 2012 #239

I had an overflowing sump pump during Hurr. Irene & friend brought generator wordpix Jul 2012 #174

I wouldn't have any trouble defending your right to have a generator in that situation. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #220

you're using DU to complain about other people getting power to their homes during an outage... pepperbear Jul 2012 #176

My position is that generators should be used for emergencies, and a power outage AT NIGHT Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #221

Some people have sleep apnea and can only sleep with a CPAP machine. randome Jul 2012 #232

AHHHH!!! Stray cats are having sex outside! I'm calling the cops. AHHH! alphafemale Jul 2012 #183

Good one! SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #195

Actually, it was a very weak. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #224

It would be inhumane to allow cats to fight for two to five hours. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #223

I said SEX. Not FIGHT. But, I think we may be making progress toward your problem. alphafemale Jul 2012 #313

If those generators belong to you're power company. If they provid you're house with power........ wandy Jul 2012 #184

Not the situation. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #225

Sorry it isn't. Noise ordnances can be trickey.......... wandy Jul 2012 #244

The problem is not the generator. obxhead Jul 2012 #187

Yep, that's what I was thinking about in my post #191. If I had a RKP5637 Jul 2012 #199

Mod it, add a sound barrier, and build a cistern and point it away from the houses. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #227

It's amazing, isn't it. In the big picture it's a simple solution. I can see how RKP5637 Jul 2012 #235

You have no idea how much love and appreciation I'm sending to you. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #295

Muffler, design and noise baffles upi402 Jul 2012 #222

He donates to Republican candidates, so I'm guessing so. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #229

108, 138 and 187 Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #226

I understand having sleep issues and having things further affect the ability to sleep. uppityperson Jul 2012 #233

and all this for a few times a year maddezmom Jul 2012 #250

The fact that this is just one symptom of a larger disease in this community is something you Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #262

I haven't missed anything. maddezmom Jul 2012 #270

If I should take that route, the generator will only be Exhbit H. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #294

looks like you've got a big list against your neighbor. However, if you were truly worried maddezmom Jul 2012 #298

So I'll try your advice and try the earplugs to see if old age has improved my tolerance Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #261

I'm not sure how a health care provider suggesting talking to a hcp "fringes on defamation". Clarify uppityperson Jul 2012 #268

Thank you for the additional information. It helped understand Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #273

It wasn't meant to suggest anything, why I wrote sincerely meant, not snark. uppityperson Jul 2012 #278

Oddly, I was doing fine until last night. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #292

Well, that's the way these forums go. People chime in with all sorts of help and then subthreads uppityperson Jul 2012 #296

hey, a man in search of a lawsuit is not a man to trifle with!!! ret5hd Jul 2012 #280

Where does he fare these days? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #293

Lack of access to cold beer is automatically an emergency taterguy Jul 2012 #264

Hi taterguy! Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #267

I would file this under: 1st World problems Raine1967 Jul 2012 #265

So very true. Not much problem with generators where you live? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #269

Just ducking back in for one more question: MineralMan Jul 2012 #282

I have yet to hear a thunderclap that is prolonged for a two hour interval. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #289

Really? In Florida? MineralMan Jul 2012 #299

yeah odd maddezmom Jul 2012 #302

non sequitor. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #304

Actually, it is not. MineralMan Jul 2012 #309

Speaking for myself and millions of Americans IDemo Jul 2012 #284

What does that have to do with generator noise? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #287

It has to do with keeping the refrigerator running IDemo Jul 2012 #290

You'd best not move to Northern Liberties in Philadelphia. GoneOffShore Jul 2012 #291

You have to be a "reasonably affected" person (such as a city resident) quaker bill Jul 2012 #297

IMHO when the power goes out thats when you need your backup gen TeamPooka Jul 2012 #300

The discussion has now moved to Meta - GoneOffShore Jul 2012 #308

and it's been self-deleted as this one might will be maddezmom Jul 2012 #314

Thanks everyone who gave me good advice. I really appreciate those Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #315