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149. I'm not so sure we lost Michigan and Wisconsin

Thu Jun 1, 2017, 06:07 PM

Jun 2017

Evidence seems to negate the argument that Democrats didn't get the message out.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8489128/michigan-recount-first-hand-account/

https://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-suppressed-200000-votes-trump-won-by-23000/

Kushner's "Project Alamo"

"To compensate for this, Trump’s campaign has devised another strategy, which, not surprisingly, is negative. Instead of expanding the electorate, Bannon and his team are trying to shrink it. “We have three major voter suppression operations under way,” says a senior official. They’re aimed at three groups Clinton needs to win overwhelmingly: idealistic white liberals, young women, and African Americans."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-27/inside-the-trump-bunker-with-12-days-to-go

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Stein, Sarandon, Cornel West and their ilk own this. [View all] Chevy Jun 2017 OP

It's all their fault! BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #1

There are others to blame as well Chevy Jun 2017 #9

We should have been able to get to 270 EV's on Donald Trump BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #18

Under normal circumstances yes Chevy Jun 2017 #19

It was winnable BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #26

And yet they're all still talking and undermining Chevy Jun 2017 #29

Where? I haven't said anything. All I see is you bashing us ... and my "ilk." Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #111

Um... who bashed you? This is your first post here. ehrnst Jun 2017 #146

I like Cornell West. I am of the Left. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #185

Bashing lefty progressives as "corporatists" is lame and old ehrnst Jun 2017 #255

Please show me where I bashed progressives as corporatists. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #284

You said, "I am of his ilk" ehrnst Jun 2017 #288

You're welcome to your opinion on where I should post. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #294

I despise Cornell West...as for the left bashing...I would argue that such folks as Cornell West, Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #268

I disagree. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #286

I think that those who walk lockstep with Stein and West are not going to be Democrats. ehrnst Jun 2017 #291

I never said I walked lock-step with Cornell West, and I don't like Jill Stein. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #295

You must have found a sale on straw men! ehrnst Jun 2017 #296

Stein and Sarandon were Trump supporters both now and during the election so it is not Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #298

snopes: "Green Party candidate Jill Stein has not endorsed Donald Trump, scipan Jun 2017 #321

From Jill Stein...sorry...I don't know how anyone could defend this person. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #330

You said Stein supported Trump and I simply corrected you. scipan Jun 2017 #331

she supported Trump over Hillary...I sent you the links...she said Trump was a better choice...and Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #334

all that was addressed in the snopes article. scipan Jun 2017 #337

I am done arguing with you... I heard her myself in an interview...and she is just Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #338

I was referring to Cornel West and Sarandon Chevy Jun 2017 #305

Those outsiders encouraged voting for Stein, which tipped the scales in Trump's favor. 6000eliot Jun 2017 #38

They aren't outsiders. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #67

They weren't part of our losing campaign BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #70

They were absolutely a part of it. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #71

There were literally hundreds of celebrities and media people endorsing HRC Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2017 #95

I'm glad you have someone to blame. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #99

He has to have someone. Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #221

A new Dreyfuss Affair! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #115

Why don't you 'splain us about that? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #125

"'Splain' what exactly? Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #188

A New Dreyfuss Affair! You know, what you wrote. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #196

Um, there's nothing to explain. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #200

Yeah, there wasn't any misinformation or ulterior political ambitions on the left feeding it. ehrnst Jun 2017 #293

It. Was. A. Joke. scipan Jun 2017 #322

Ignoring the facts is shooting ourselves in the foot ehrnst Jun 2017 #123

Ignoring that they trashed Hillary publicly is a cop-out. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #274

Too bad their voices were encouraging people to vote for someone other than Clinton. George II Jun 2017 #124

I don't know whey people are so desperate to deflect from that aspect. Nt NCTraveler Jun 2017 #138

I can think of a few reasons. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #139

Here's just one thing that Sarandon said in June last year, there are others: George II Jun 2017 #169

HMOG! sheshe2 Jun 2017 #234

It was last year, but the sentiment hasn't changed at all based on recent statements (I didn't.... George II Jun 2017 #287

Republicans are citizens too and have a voice people listen to...they are outsiders Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #273

This! (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #283

Thanks! I will never understand how those who think it just fine to Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #299

(nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #282

Right. She did win. Remember? It was stolen. ehrnst Jun 2017 #117

Ah, so you DO admit that Stein, Sarandon, and Cornell West are "outsiders". Thanks. George II Jun 2017 #122

Let's count the obstacles that were there, that she still overcame ehrnst Jun 2017 #145

"Our candidate didn't get it done." SMC22307 Jun 2017 #30

Please proceed. n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #34

Ignoring Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania proved fatal. SMC22307 Jun 2017 #64

Ignoring voter suppression and voter hacking ehrnst Jun 2017 #121

I don't dispute voter suppression. SMC22307 Jun 2017 #144

I'm not so sure we lost Michigan and Wisconsin ehrnst Jun 2017 #149

I was unaware of Kushner's 'Alamo Project" . Thanks for post. riversedge Jun 2017 #251

Ignoring the lessons of Nader and congressional investigations are also mistakes. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #279

But Robby had the numbers!!! He had the numbers!!! n/t QC Jun 2017 #126

Data schmata! (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2017 #148

Yeah, facts are overrated, aren't they? ehrnst Jun 2017 #154

We're talking ignoring the warning signs. SMC22307 Jun 2017 #157

I'm talking ignoring facts that are currently the subject of several investigations. ehrnst Jun 2017 #159

Three per cent, but not in the right combination of states. SMC22307 Jun 2017 #162

Florida and North Carolina Motownman78 Jun 2017 #170

Currently, PA/MI/WI 46 and NC/FL 44. Still not enough. SMC22307 Jun 2017 #179

Why do you trash Democrats on DU, and not those who tried to trash Hillary? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #275

oh, the irony. scipan Jun 2017 #323

Yes, and voter suppression directed to key states delivered the WH to DT. ehrnst Jun 2017 #173

+1000, totally nailed it. "They don't support the political aspirations R B Garr Jun 2017 #183

And those "you people are being red-baited!" on the left seem to have ehrnst Jun 2017 #197

Yeah, about Michigan.... ehrnst Jun 2017 #128

This is literally a right wing talking point, denying it's origin and ignoring reality Ninsianna Jun 2017 #247

+1 betsuni Jun 2017 #248

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #259

There was no ignoring. betsuni Jun 2017 #249

She did not visit Wisconsin once since the primary. scipan Jun 2017 #324

She sent Bernie which wasn't such a bad idea considering he won the primary in WI. Obviously that seaglass Jun 2017 #336

Actually, she got more votes than any candidate but Obama. ehrnst Jun 2017 #118

Is she sitting in the White House? SMC22307 Jun 2017 #130

The White House was stolen, with the help of Russia, Comey and ehrnst Jun 2017 #134

I divided the "white, college educated left"? SMC22307 Jun 2017 #174

Please don't be disingenuous. ehrnst Jun 2017 #176

+1 betsuni Jun 2017 #180

Thank you, ehrnst. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #184

All in a day's work... ehrnst Jun 2017 #198

Ha,,,got it in one! sheshe2 Jun 2017 #204

Stop pitting voters against one another... it's a losing strategy. SMC22307 Jun 2017 #191

You can repeat it all you like... ehrnst Jun 2017 #195

"I'm not the one who has to reach 270 in 2020." SMC22307 Jun 2017 #205

As helpful as your post. See what I did there? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #256

Pretty sure it was DU that DEMANDED sheshe2 Jun 2017 #203

Wrong. Don't try to re-write history -- I was here. SMC22307 Jun 2017 #206

Wrong. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #208

1) I'm not your trained monkey and 2) his campaign website addressed... SMC22307 Jun 2017 #211

Hmmm sheshe2 Jun 2017 #214

I've got his website. In black and white... SMC22307 Jun 2017 #217

So what you are saying... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #219

Bernie's an MLK guy, hence the Ebenezer Baptist Church inviting him to speak... SMC22307 Jun 2017 #225

Ignore the question all you want. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #228

In the darkness of night, the cry of a sleepless bird, a rumble of distant thunder. betsuni Jun 2017 #239

The economic justice quotes validate their story. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #241

It's like taking one Anthony Bourdain quote about how he likes Indian vegetarian food betsuni Jun 2017 #245

Bourdain! I love him. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #246

Totally explains why he got their OVERWHELMING support last year. ehrnst Jun 2017 #270

So did Hillary's. And yet she's accused of not really addressing economics - in all it's forms. ehrnst Jun 2017 #271

I think that you missed Hillary's economic message, as well as many of Bernie's statements ehrnst Jun 2017 #257

Is that quote supposed to be from Bernie? Because I got nothing when I googled it. scipan Jun 2017 #325

Here are a couple of quotes ehrnst Jun 2017 #340

No. No it is not. Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #222

Yes. It. Is. SMC22307 Jun 2017 #226

Nope. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #232

economy the top issue according to Pew. scipan Jun 2017 #326

Interesting. Thanks (nt) PotatoChip Jun 2017 #350

The reason that many voters didn't pay attention to Hillary's very progressive economic proposals ehrnst Jun 2017 #364

+1 betsuni Jun 2017 #365

Hillary addressed all that. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #258

Just because money is all you care about Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #310

+1000 sheshe2 Jun 2017 #231

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #254

There is no winning if you expect the Greens or the Alt-left bad term as these Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #300

+1000 nicely put! Chevy Jun 2017 #362

Demonizing Democrats in the middle won't get it done, either. Never again R B Garr Jun 2017 #136

It seems that anyone who doesn't walk lockstep with the fringe left is considered "neoliberal" ehrnst Jun 2017 #141

Absolutely! They are just another version of fake news when you look at R B Garr Jun 2017 #150

Yeah, I noticed that... ehrnst Jun 2017 #161

Yup, and they have a very distilled version of reality. It has to fit only one Senator's version. R B Garr Jun 2017 #166

A senator with a small, rural, very white demographic. He speaks for them. ehrnst Jun 2017 #260

Yes, and they conveniently ignore that fact about the small or small population, rural R B Garr Jun 2017 #342

And brags about never having voted during the civil rights era. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #348

Who is demonizing Democrats in the middle? SMC22307 Jun 2017 #160

Yes, ignoring the warning signs of demonizing our candidate in the midwest was R B Garr Jun 2017 #163

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #165

Um... read the OP. ehrnst Jun 2017 #164

Shit... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #235

{secret handshake} (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #253

sigh ... another ignore Comey, voter suppression and Russia post ... whatever YCHDT Jun 2017 #32

Amazing isn't it? n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #37

Yeap, every time I see one of the "we shouldah" comments its always to ignore Comey etc YCHDT Jun 2017 #41

Or nutty Nina"No one is talking about Russia" n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #44

Our candidate was attacked both from the right and the left and demonized . Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #50

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #52

Interesting talking points very familiar. n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #54

Yes, and screaming STEIN et al is original BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #56

Du is a place to vent as well as discuss Chevy Jun 2017 #59

They're assholes, but unless you have a plan to eliminate assholes BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #65

Does it matter? Nothing will be good enough for the purists. Chevy Jun 2017 #66

That's not necessarily the audience BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #68

Yeah - if they were so angry at Hillary to vote for Stein ehrnst Jun 2017 #264

Better? Not really possible in the current field. More appropriate? ehrnst Jun 2017 #199

OMG. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #242

"They"? Are you a Democrat? George II Jun 2017 #202

Interesting question, George. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #243

There was nothing wrong with Hillary other than 30 years of RW bashing. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #236

You're leading the way... (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #276

Sarandon owns as do those who voted for a gorilla, stayed home or for that asshat Siberian Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #77

All of those states were very close treestar Jun 2017 #107

Exactly, and those purists MiddleClass Jun 2017 #315

Such a stupid debate. Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #105

what's really fucked is we let 88 'liberal' universities support 257 limbaugh/trump stations certainot Jun 2017 #135

And what would you propose differently? Anything? George II Jun 2017 #133

just complain.... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #237

What about Jill Stein. You suffer from blame damage onit2day Jun 2017 #140

Jill Stein had a whole lot to gain by trying to undermine Democrats and their platform. ehrnst Jun 2017 #167

+ 1 musette_sf Jun 2017 #194

"Our candidate didn't get it done." LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #172

I've learned to just save my breath. vi5 Jun 2017 #304

People in Ohio and Pennsylvania absolutely worship Cornel West and Susan Sarandon..... vi5 Jun 2017 #333

I live in Ohio...West and Sarandon are not worshiped I assume you Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #346

I am being very sarcastic. vi5 Jun 2017 #351

So it is a Democratic bashing thing...criticize the Democratic party as happened Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #352

Again, avoiding the issue..... vi5 Jun 2017 #356

So tired of this garbage. moda253 Jun 2017 #308

and the 1000 Democratic seats lost since 2010 "should" have been won, delisen Jun 2017 #328

She was carrying years of bad propaganda baggage onit2day Jun 2017 #142

... about Hillary, in her purse... ready to whip out. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #168

No, its not ... they helped Cheeto ... and that's still a very bad thing YCHDT Jun 2017 #31

The votes Jill Stein got could have flipped the election, pnwmom Jun 2017 #69

Stein's votes could have put us over the top in MI and WI, but not in PA BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #72

Re: Stein's votes ... but not it PA SFnomad Jun 2017 #85

My bad...but if you think that rates with Nader's 95k votes in FL in 2000, knock yourself out BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #89

Quit making more excuses SFnomad Jun 2017 #91

Oh, that's rich BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #100

At least they're not clapping for 'trickle down social justice" ehrnst Jun 2017 #280

No one said a word about Nader. This is on Jill Stein. nt pnwmom Jun 2017 #93

Well that's a new one. I heard she "ignored" PA... ehrnst Jun 2017 #277

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jun 2017 #278

Thank you, SFnomad, for providing the #'s. n/t pnwmom Jun 2017 #94

Thank you! sheshe2 Jun 2017 #238

OMG! Data to support your claim! (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #261

You forgot to put Gary Johnson in the mix. He had 146,715 votes in Pa. PotatoChip Jun 2017 #353

Who said anything about Johnson not running? Oh that's right, more deflection n/t SFnomad Jun 2017 #357

I'd like to know too. It certainly didn't come from me. PotatoChip Jun 2017 #358

Like I said, more deflection from you. Maybe you should go look up the original post that started SFnomad Jun 2017 #359

Why are you bashing Hillary all over this thread? sheshe2 Jun 2017 #187

Where is the wrath toward Libertarian Gary Johnson? SMC22307 Jun 2017 #209

Yup. n/t progressoid Jun 2017 #220

He's a rightist and thus less likely to be criticized here. QC Jun 2017 #223

Eh, Johnson votes were likely never going to Hillary. HughBeaumont Jun 2017 #297

What is it about Hillary that irritates you most? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #263

This Left-bashing is lame and old. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #110

Speak for yourself. Crushing all dissent from a particular manifesto ehrnst Jun 2017 #131

We're not talking about Ralph Nader ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #186

There's ZERO discussion of how the party can improve. SMC22307 Jun 2017 #213

Um... Moving farther into social justice issues. ehrnst Jun 2017 #269

we need to be stronger on the economy. scipan Jun 2017 #329

Why should that be different? ehrnst Jun 2017 #339

So, tell me. How do Democrats "get stronger" on the economy? ehrnst Jun 2017 #341

You mean like this? ehrnst Jun 2017 #349

Exactly. They can bash all of these fantasy boogymen to their peril. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #285

It seems to me that the 'improvements' you seek would doom us to Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #301

Ralph Nader's failure is a cautionary tale (warning sign) that we need to learn from right now. ehrnst Jun 2017 #267

I'm an ally, as I've said in my other responses to you. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #289

If people vote for the Democrat, we win...if they don't we can't. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #302

The Democratic Party could definitely use improvement. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #317

Keep attacking the party and see where that gets you...perhaps a second term for Trump? Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #332

Saying that the Democratic Party needs improvement is attacking the party? Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #335

Come aboard what? There is no intention Chevy Jun 2017 #306

3rd party Liars are getting called out. Cha Jun 2017 #132

Nice to see one being so cavalier about this on the day that Trump put the death penalty on polar kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2017 #189

Right, blame other lefties Kimchijeon Jun 2017 #224

I don't consider anyone who didn't vote for the only person who could stop Trump Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #345

They are a part of it yes SHRED Jun 2017 #2

My thoughts as well. nt arthritisR_US Jun 2017 #62

Absolutely. The OP is making an angry, simplistic statement adigal Jun 2017 #137

silly H2O Man Jun 2017 #3

??? Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #6

Very profound. n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #15

yep cyberswede Jun 2017 #312

Extremely silly. nt Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #319

Jill Stein's a Russian puppet too. Hopefully she sees the inside of a prison cell. GBizzle Jun 2017 #4

Sarandon would say that this will make people aware of climate change and thats a good thing! The_Casual_Observer Jun 2017 #5

Yes Vive La Revolution. n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #11

And she would be wrong...the damage to the environment by Cheetoh and his minions Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #53

Turd polishing, but yes. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #265

Agreed Gothmog Jun 2017 #7

No they don't. The cheating Cons and the Russians own it. SalviaBlue Jun 2017 #8

Whatever helps you sleep at night. n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #10

Jill Stein definitely falls into the "Russians" category. GBizzle Jun 2017 #12

SB, you are 1,000 correct jodymarie aimee Jun 2017 #16

Whiners huh? Chevy Jun 2017 #17

Because Democrats did not turnout in 2010. wildeyed Jun 2017 #33

Correct. n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #39

I don't think any lessons have been learned among some about 2010. JHan Jun 2017 #73

I know people who voted for Nader who are sincerely, deeply sorry. wildeyed Jun 2017 #103

I know I'm just in really bitter mood today. JHan Jun 2017 #116

Me too. wildeyed Jun 2017 #119

Obama attributed the loss to young people and minorities not turning out. SMC22307 Jun 2017 #227

How does your statement in anyway conflict with mine? wildeyed Jun 2017 #281

You're in denial.. the LIES they told that Hillary Cha Jun 2017 #51

What do you think about DU pundits who dragged ... Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2017 #106

You poor thing.. you have to move on.. President Obama, Cha Jun 2017 #109

LOL! SMC22307 Jun 2017 #229

If I am in denial, so are you since you just agreed with me. SalviaBlue Jun 2017 #311

You're denying stein and sarandon own a Cha Jun 2017 #313

No I am not denying that. The post said they "own this." SalviaBlue Jun 2017 #316

You have a friend in me. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #318

Thanks SalviaBlue Jun 2017 #327

Rec Stinky The Clown Jun 2017 #13

Not only 100% own it, they saw it coming. oasis Jun 2017 #14

Yeah, they said they would never support Hillary. yallerdawg Jun 2017 #23

Twitters wilted roses. n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #27

Yep. It's the people with the least power and influence. killbotfactory Jun 2017 #20

lol lol lol n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #24

All three of them have influence, much more than you or I or most other Americans. DanTex Jun 2017 #28

I disagree with them, but they didn't swing the election. killbotfactory Jun 2017 #40

We don't know if they swung the election, but we do know they did everything in their power to. DanTex Jun 2017 #46

Do you expect the left to applaud democrats when they move right? killbotfactory Jun 2017 #147

Sadly, I expect the far left to keep helping Republicans get elected like they have since 2000. DanTex Jun 2017 #156

So the candidate with the billion dollar warchest was bested by grumpy outspoken leftists killbotfactory Jun 2017 #210

They certainly contributed to Trump's victory. But, true, there were other factors (Russia, Comey). DanTex Jun 2017 #215

Do you expect Democrats to applaud when a candidate dismisses Planned Parenthood ehrnst Jun 2017 #266

Actually Sen. Sander has endorsed two right to life candidates ...one in Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #303

Just like Nader they are getting what they deserve. n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #47

+1000. Paladin Jun 2017 #21

Correct. Expecting Rain Jun 2017 #22

Yes we left that one off Chevy Jun 2017 #25

The inevitable Cha Jun 2017 #45

May they carry it with them to their graves. NT Bleacher Creature Jun 2017 #35

They participated in the constant Hillary/Democrat bashing ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #36

Short memories. n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #43

This is the truth - they normalized Trump with their false equivalency bullshit all day long.... bettyellen Jun 2017 #57

They sure as hell do own a chunk o trump and therefore a CHUNK of the END Cha Jun 2017 #42

The Falcons should have run the ball in the second half. n/t DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #48

Pretty much n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #49

The Falcons didn't have their playbook hacked either YCHDT Jun 2017 #58

The game is still over. And they still lost. n/t DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #63

... we agree, in that game no one cheated in this game someone did blaming her loss on someone elses YCHDT Jun 2017 #88

Third party votes sung this election...just look at the numbers in PA, MI, & WI. Cattledog Jun 2017 #55

Wait until they cut Medicaid. Thrill Jun 2017 #60

They definitely own a big stake in this, jmo. nt arthritisR_US Jun 2017 #61

Stein's a Russian agent, Sarandon is a naive fool, and Cornel West is a fanatic alcibiades_mystery Jun 2017 #74

sarandon's not naive.. she's a FUBAR FOOL Cha Jun 2017 #114

Stein was the Green candidate BadgerMom Jun 2017 #75

Bullshit. Not campaigning in Mi, WI and PA did her in... WoonTars Jun 2017 #76

Yep SHRED Jun 2017 #78

excuses for the Green types...Jillie made a point to campaign in those areas. And Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #79

The greens got minuscule votes in Michigan, Libertarians got a measurable number. NT tiredtoo Jun 2017 #86

they got enough to overturn the election results...fuck that witch. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #152

The Libertarians got 3 times as much as the greens. Bernie won the primary tiredtoo Jun 2017 #155

yep tiredtoo Jun 2017 #83

Kris Kobach did more damage then all of them combined. nt Snotcicles Jun 2017 #120

Can you post a link to the DNC saying "she crapped all over them recently?" ehrnst Jun 2017 #171

+1,000,000 Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2017 #182

Ahh the familiar talking points n/t Chevy Jun 2017 #307

Jeffrey Sachs, too. Tanuki Jun 2017 #80

So does Oliver Stone bhusar Jun 2017 #81

Divide and conquer tiredtoo Jun 2017 #82

What did Jerry Garcia say? Kleveland Jun 2017 #84

All three are unrepentant that Trump won Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2017 #87

That is because they lost nothing. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #190

Keep pointing to others... keep losing elections. That Guy 888 Jun 2017 #90

Fuck all of them MFM008 Jun 2017 #92

Time to move on, folks. Eyeball_Kid Jun 2017 #96

Interesting. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #192

This! (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #272

Those arrogant assholes did everything they could to undermine Hillary and the still_one Jun 2017 #97

I dunno I find blaming people on the far left to be pointless... Brogrizzly Jun 2017 #98

K&R mcar Jun 2017 #101

And I'll never forget the stupid assed members of the CA delegation shouting "Lock her up!" at deurbano Jun 2017 #102

So let me understand. Gore1FL Jun 2017 #104

I agree with you... tonedevil Jun 2017 #290

How those three can live with themselves I have no idea! hrmjustin Jun 2017 #108

It's all about their Obama/Hillary hate. People like them can live with anything. nikibatts Jun 2017 #129

Hillary Clinton will kung fu them all shenmue Jun 2017 #112

feel better, now? Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #113

West on Bill Maher came across as badly as twump. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2017 #127

I agree! workinclasszero Jun 2017 #143

glad i read this thread. think it will be juried at least once. leaves me out! samnsara Jun 2017 #151

And they have not retracted their bullshit yet and are emboldening unenlightened young Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #153

They have doubled down. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #244

Stein was working with the Ruskies... apcalc Jun 2017 #158

They seek to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids. n/t QC Jun 2017 #175

Say how is that FBI investigation coming? Chevy Jun 2017 #309

They'll probably wrap it up long before you let go of the primary. QC Jun 2017 #320

Oh your mistaken Chevy Jun 2017 #343

You spend virtually all of your time here attacking Democrats. QC Jun 2017 #344

I attack Democrats. lol lol lol Chevy Jun 2017 #347

K&R betsuni Jun 2017 #177

THEY knew better and what could happen after Gore vs. Bush. The fact that there are many who kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2017 #178

Comey owns it. nt Kahuna7 Jun 2017 #181

So, these three people and "their ilk"... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #193

LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #292

K & R LAS14 Jun 2017 #201

Activists are inept handicappers Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #207

The GOP owns it UCmeNdc Jun 2017 #212

I don't see much changing but things could be worse I suppose. ucrdem Jun 2017 #216

It just doesn't end ornotna Jun 2017 #218

They have much in common with Steve Bannon Zambero Jun 2017 #230

Stein, Sarandon, and West represent approximately 0.1% of the population Azathoth Jun 2017 #233

How do you figure? Can you show where that figure comes from? NurseJackie Jun 2017 #262

+ 1 googol! Foamfollower Jun 2017 #240

But they keep doubling and tripling down. Maher tried to get CW to see ecstatic Jun 2017 #250

yep, those people are teaching the world a lesson aren;t they? beachbum bob Jun 2017 #252

100 million Trump and non-voters own this. Orsino Jun 2017 #314

not a bot been here since 2002 clu Jun 2017 #354

Boink Scurrilous Jun 2017 #355

I lulz'd KG Jun 2017 #360

Add the Intercept and TYT too, for starters Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #361

Yes and they have been defended here Chevy Jun 2017 #363