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LBM20

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Sun Jun 4, 2017, 07:39 AM Jun 2017

It is wrong to condemn a person's entire life and character over one mistake. [View all]

Here is why the Bill Maher issue has touched a nerve. We obviously are still struggling with matters around race in this country, and people are very sensitive to racially charged language as they should be. At the same time, we are also a people who believe in putting things in context, using reason and fairness, looking at the whole picture, and forgiveness. We tend not to condemn a person's entire life and character over a verbal slip. Bill Maher is a strong progressive and satirical comedian who for many years has had very important discussions, has confronted right wingers very strongly, has brought light to many issues, who brings a variety of opinions to his show, and who ridicules Trump continually. What happened in this incident, if you watch the clip, was an off the cuff satirical joke that went over the top with the language. He has apologized publicly.

More context and a fair point here is that racially charged language appears and has appeared in song lyrics, poetry, dramatizations in many forms, etc. Tough as it is to see and hear, it is used in those specific media as it is about confronting the social issues around the language. Racially and ethnically charged language, moreso in the past, has also been used in satirical and other forms of comedy from the All in the Family TV Show to Richard Pryor's stand up comedy to Don Rickles routines and many others. These people were not racists but were rather the opposite, ridiculing and making fun of racial and ethnic stereotypes through comedy even to the point of invoking their own racial and ethnic backgrounds.

And verbal slips happen. For example, remember when President Obama was poking fun at himself by saying he couldn't even get into the Special Olympics? Oops! He very soon apologized for the slip and even called Arnold Schwarzenegger who was a longtime leader in the Special Olympics organization to apologize. Of course he didn't mean to make fun of disabled people. It was a joke gone bad. These slips happen. We have probably all done it in some way in our lives.

So in the larger picture this is a healthy conversation that requires mutual understanding. In my view Maher went over the top using the N-word in his off the cuff satirical joke and he should have apologized and he has. At the same time, he is certainly not a racist, we must keep things in context, and we should not condemn a person's entire life and character over this kind of slip. There is a lot to be said for forgiveness. That is a Christian value, a progressive value, an American value, and a human value.

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... demmiblue Jun 2017 #1
Except Maher's always been a douchebag IMHO. Nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2017 #2
A blunt insult like this is unthoughtful and in my view unwarranted for this strong progressive. LBM20 Jun 2017 #9
Oh come on now- being an asshole is his schtick. Get over it. bettyellen Jun 2017 #16
OMG! No one's trying to shove his show down's people throats! LOL! LOL! Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #21
Sorry to be blunt but there are so many other people who have views similar to Maher's Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2017 #34
He's a comedian. LAGC Jun 2017 #44
And I saw lots here pissed at the lame defense of word used but NO "condemning entire life ... bettyellen Jun 2017 #12
"I'm going to need you to show me links where even a few people did that." WHY? Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #24
Because I think the OP is at best a gross exaggeration and few if any condemned him like that over bettyellen Jun 2017 #25
gross exaggeration? Your protest seems to be close to that. I don't read the OP that way at all. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #28
That douchebag donated a million dollars to help get Obama elected. Maraya1969 Jun 2017 #26
I wouldn't describe him as a dedicated liberal Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2017 #35
I was watching the show live. Maher referred to himself as mnhtnbb Jun 2017 #47
That is a really good point. He was referring to himself. Also someone else just posted Maraya1969 Jun 2017 #58
I trust that Maher means well & is a person that introspects. (made up verb, lol!) Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #3
Sometimes infuriating and sometimes wonderful. That is life when taking on tough issues. LBM20 Jun 2017 #6
Yep! I have seen plenty times that Maher wants to be a decent person, not an a-hole for Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #13
Round up the "usual un-introspects" B Stieg Jun 2017 #8
Not sure what you mean, but am sure I mean something different/ Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #14
Sorry, what did you mean? B Stieg Jun 2017 #39
I meant the act of using introspection & looking @ self's actions & thoughts & self-correcting Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #42
Thanks! B Stieg Jun 2017 #48
Okee. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #52
he gets into the gutter for us so we dont have to samnsara Jun 2017 #15
Yes, especially when we know that being racist is the last thing he wishes to be. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #19
I agree. Dustlawyer Jun 2017 #31
Well said Les Cowbell Jun 2017 #50
It's an excellent show, a healthy departure from the siloed media world of today BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #51
We need to look at intent. I trust Maher's intent more than the RWers' who are using this. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #4
I have always been alarmed by his friendship with Ann C. classykaren Jun 2017 #5
It is possible to be polite to someone and strongly disagree with them. He brings a variety of LBM20 Jun 2017 #7
Antonin Scalia and Ruth Bader Ginsberg were good friends. Does that "alarm" you? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #10
So true... Blue_Roses Jun 2017 #17
Jesse Helms and Madeleine Albright rpannier Jun 2017 #43
If your job is in punditry and government, what's the alternative? stevenleser Jun 2017 #46
Good post Blue_Roses Jun 2017 #11
Well said PJMcK Jun 2017 #18
I have a question Rustynaerduwell Jun 2017 #20
??? Say more... Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #22
Not a trick question Rustynaerduwell Jun 2017 #29
IMO, most important thing is "intent". If intent is dripping with foaming "racism" it is obvious. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #30
It better be BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #23
Maher is a libertarian, who will agree with us on many, but not all issues karynnj Jun 2017 #27
Who is condemning Maher's entire life and character over one mistake? Honestly, I haven't seen Squinch Jun 2017 #32
I totally agree. It was a mistake. He doesn't have a racist bone in his body. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #33
He is a punk-ass Islamophobe, aka, racist. Q.E.D. - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #36
Political Correctness being imposed on liberals bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #37
Liberals value treating other people with respect. Squinch Jun 2017 #38
The comment was inappropriate but shouldn't be a career ender. It's not a hill I'd want to die on. Lil Missy Jun 2017 #40
Maher was quoting a famous novel with regard to himself.. LakeArenal Jun 2017 #41
AND Bill Maher apologized. He is a humane human with a moral compass. ancianita Jun 2017 #45
aww. is it wrong to tell POC to shut up because white people find Bill Maher funny? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #49
"He works for us on so many issue" SaschaHM Jun 2017 #53
He's more valuable than Black Feelings is what I'm reading on DU lib87 Jun 2017 #57
The only show we watch on HBO is Bill Maher MRDAWG Jun 2017 #54
So now we've be accused of doing the following. SaschaHM Jun 2017 #55
Agree, the negativity is a bad thing treestar Jun 2017 #56
The need to correct others while declaring ones own virtue is strong. Inkfreak Jun 2017 #59
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