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192. Er, just to clarify

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 06:59 PM

Jul 2012

no one answered my question. Not directly anyway (ad hominems don't count).

I am posting obvious facts, not talking points.

Also I am not using as my sole source of information the organization in question.

So to be clear: every thought you have put in words here is false. Not most of them. Every.Single.One.

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I know, I know Occupy is dead... right [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 OP

Not dead, but not terribly relevant. geek tragedy Jul 2012 #1

Just because the Corporate media tells you this nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #3

So what changes can you point at that were solely due to OWS? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #11

I'll tell you the biggest thing Occupy did. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #67

That's hugely significant lovemydog Jul 2012 #85

"getting us out of our alienation and away from our computers" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #89

That counts lovemydog Jul 2012 #90

You got a number. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #92

Perhaps on another day lovemydog Jul 2012 #93

Wanna do a clutch job? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #96

That was a significant accomplishment. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #99

They single-handedly stopped all the talk of the people 'sharing the sacrifice' sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #71

responsible for forcing BOA to drop the fees they were planning Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #91

OWS changed the tone and direction of Obama's SOTU address from bvar22 Jul 2012 #117

Right You Are... " we are the 99%" Kick/R goclark Jul 2012 #155

What difference are they making? geek tragedy Jul 2012 #22

Well locally they have brought attention to a few nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #26

Many people don't understand what the Occupy movement is about. MiaCulpa Jul 2012 #49

I should look at crooks and liars nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #51

The more the merrier! :) eom MiaCulpa Jul 2012 #54

OCCUPY movement Contains Brave and True Warriors goclark Jul 2012 #79

Indeed they do nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #111

In your local area you can find them lovemydog Jul 2012 #127

Thanks! goclark Jul 2012 #154

Thank you for the excellent examples lovemydog Jul 2012 #86

*facepalm* Zalatix Jul 2012 #4

Lol, but way more relevant that Congress. How many people has Congress kept in their sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #61

And what exactly is terribly relevant? Pray tell me. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #81

OWS is either for you or it is not... Magoo48 Jul 2012 #191

"Occupy Fresno: Longest Continuous Occupation in the United States" Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #204

Fresno! Home of Freerepublic Whoo Hoo! Saw them yesterday! vanlassie Jul 2012 #207

That whooshing sound you heard Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #221

Ok maybe I was not clear. vanlassie Jul 2012 #226

Actually you weren't clear at all Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #230

Well, yeah, it was a bit over the top. vanlassie Jul 2012 #231

Over the top? LOL! Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #237

Awesome! Great pics n/t Teamster Jeff Jul 2012 #2

And I am grateful. Downwinder Jul 2012 #5

Next time they take to the streets nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #6

LOL malaise Jul 2012 #7

You know what sucked? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #10

The workout alone is worth the effort. Blanks Jul 2012 #118

Well at least locally we have plenty of vets nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #124

Thanks for the pictures and reportage. PufPuf23 Jul 2012 #8

When I cannot be there, I donate. Zalatix Jul 2012 #9

Occupy was just the next step in the fight back......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2012 #12

Just one correction, they are not waning, they are evolving nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #14

OK. Evolving is OK too.......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2012 #17

Today we had a contingent from Bayan nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #20

Radicalization is the opposite of civility. dkf Jul 2012 #76

Ok...whatever nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #78

i'm always so glad for your posts so i can learn the latest establishment talking points. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #84

Well it's better than the alternative. dkf Jul 2012 #88

the 'alternative' being....? HiPointDem Jul 2012 #94

There are 6 billion other people we could swap with. dkf Jul 2012 #97

I know, isnt change soooo scary? Why dont people realize that the Koch Bros will take good rhett o rick Jul 2012 #141

You want "civility"? No problem........... socialist_n_TN Jul 2012 #108

We're already seeing that, and OWS is the rational middle which is growing sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #140

I dont know, maybe he has a point. Freedom is probably over rated. Wouldnt it be nice to rhett o rick Jul 2012 #142

Hey some kool aid, with ice mind you, nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #151

Sure and while you're at it add some vodka. Oh yeah, hold the Kool Aid. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #156

Alcohol sucks for dehydration nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #168

Yeah I know. I just put more "rocks" in my vodka for the hydration. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #175

The Tea Party held a demonstration in San Diego the same day. hack89 Jul 2012 #13

300 tea baggers vanlassie Jul 2012 #33

How many OWS? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #41

You have no Google? vanlassie Jul 2012 #46

Nadine posted it below. 500 people - just a little more than the Tea Party. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #297

It has very little support, outside of some dedicated enthusiasts ... Trajan Jul 2012 #15

That is the MSM talking nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #18

+1,000,000. vanlassie Jul 2012 #28

And why not after hearing those things day in and day out over and over again. zeemike Jul 2012 #42

I'll be surprised if channel eight nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #43

Channel eight was "saved" be breaking nooz nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #113

See...you were not surprised. zeemike Jul 2012 #120

One cure comes to mind quakerboy Jul 2012 #36

Should I add piccies of children I took? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #40

Might be good. quakerboy Jul 2012 #59

Wow, I guess you are depending on the MSM for 'news' of OWS. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #64

And the kid bemoaning three months in, "nothing has changed" nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #68

How many people were there? Brickbat Jul 2012 #16

They're against Toilet Paper Products now? Where will it end???? randome Jul 2012 #19

Ummm....only Koch Brothers paper products..... vanlassie Jul 2012 #25

Photos mean nothing, if they are only a reminder of what could have been, a meaningful and just julian09 Jul 2012 #21

So what have you done lately? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #23

I'm more interested at what happened at the conference, could you throw light on that. julian09 Jul 2012 #32

They educated people on what TTP will do nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #34

The media seems to think it's dead or maybe they are trying to kill it. Raine Jul 2012 #24

Just read this thread nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #27

can't kill an idea. k+r limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #29

And thanks to everyone in San Diego demonstrating during this. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #30

My role is press nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #37

Seems to me that Occupy has done it's job Kalidurga Jul 2012 #31

How the race for the presidency can be close is beyond me julian09 Jul 2012 #38

It's more than physical occupation now ,it's orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #35

It's evolved, indeed nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #39

Same in Norcal! alp227 Jul 2012 #44

It is evolving nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #45

Kick. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #47

K&R DeSwiss Jul 2012 #48

That is a fav graphic of mine. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #53

I just hope that all that marching nationwide transitions into actual votes in November. 4lbs Jul 2012 #50

You realize the occupy movement nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #52

Yes I do. However, to get things done requires politics, like it or not. 4lbs Jul 2012 #56

Unfortunately I am reporting nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #73

And there are occupiers who are running for office. If you want to see them succeed sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #77

They have national power because they represent the corporate interests. Sirveri Jul 2012 #83

The official political system is broken and no amount of gotv is going to fix it. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #102

(Yes, there is a difference) 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #106

Which if you bother reading the thread nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #110

Er, no. They aren't 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #112

So let me get this straight nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #114

Yeah pretty much 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #115

Huge universe sized clue nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #122

WOW! zappaman Jul 2012 #123

Ah ok so we're going by your assessment because nothing The Man says is true 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #128

I am, here are contacts for you nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #132

Ok, I'm game. OWS got the mighty empire-city of Encintas to . . 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #133

Your claim, shut down, nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #134

Perhaps you could point to the specific part of your link you want me to look at 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #144

I told you to go CALL the city nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #149

"You know why the right is fracking wining" 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #159

I gave you concrete accomplishments nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #164

That's it? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #167

Child, you are really shitting on what you do not know nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #169

Jeeze. That "child" shit is so pintobean Jul 2012 #177

Third concrete example nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #179

Child Please! 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #180

What you are hearing goes against your core belief nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #183

Ahahahahahah 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #188

You are right, we are done nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #193

I know 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #210

Nope, you are wrong nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #212

Child please! 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #213

Yup, you are nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #214

+ 1,000,000,000 DocMac Jul 2012 #276

You don't have to be so insulting. zappaman Jul 2012 #171

Actually he does 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #255

For future reference, "he" is a she. zappaman Jul 2012 #258

My mistake 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #259

I suppose you're left with simply minimizing the actions of a group LanternWaste Jul 2012 #296

I don't have to minimize anything 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #300

The groups that you highlight have all, at some point, made a decision to join the establishment. Magoo48 Jul 2012 #216

Occupy came about through a need for direct action to make up for where the existing system has Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #57

And that's why Occupy needs to get the attention of the politicians. 4lbs Jul 2012 #60

Some occupiers run for office, nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #62

Or to create a world not requiring "leaders" or "politicians" Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #69

With over 7,000 Occupiers arrested over 9 months, many by democratic mayors, it is obvious Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #87

Some of them even read these forums. Them, or their tools. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #95

Indeed. woo me with science Jul 2012 #105

:) Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #137

K&R hay rick Jul 2012 #55

Well, I for one feel the Occupy Movement could have been greater. Proles Jul 2012 #58

That is why the Central Labor Council nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #63

'Could have been'? The movement is only in its infancy and has accomplished far more sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #66

Occupy just helped get a homeowner's bill of rights onto CA gov Jerry Brown's desk. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #74

Here is the meat of the rub, you think that embracing Democrats is in any substantive way TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #139

I'll take the word of people who posted above me that occupy Proles Jul 2012 #262

Just in my county nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #278

How is supporting Democrats going to pull them to the left, when Democrats strategy is TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #313

Still going strong in Oakland... Taverner Jul 2012 #65

Link to FB photo of Occupier being arrested today. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #70

I suspect where nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #72

Any and all who wish Occupy would do more should find their local Occupation and get busy with it. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #75

An amazing 20 people marching around with no focus.. Joe the Revelator Jul 2012 #80

I dunno Joe, looks like at least maybe 2 dozen. zappaman Jul 2012 #82

You get things done in this country in one of two ways 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #109

Scores, according to this article. pintobean Jul 2012 #101

Ah but you're talking about it 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #107

Why are people so afraid of a movement that has spread so quickly across the world sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #119

You point to 'accomplishments OWS has made for real people'... Joe the Revelator Jul 2012 #125

I asked you some questions, which you have not answered. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #126

Because the 'movement' is unfocused and silly.. Joe the Revelator Jul 2012 #131

Unfocused? Not according to Wall Street Bankers or Republicans. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #136

Apparently they have achieved two things: 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #130

Where do you get your information on OWS? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #143

The . . . news . . . 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #145

The Bush Tax Cuts notundecided Jul 2012 #304

Alright at this point yall are just saying stuff 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #306

BS pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #281

I'm 'fraid we will need to teach nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #287

:) pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #289

Tasty, and the house smells of fresh bread nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #291

Lashing out, 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #299

No . . . no . . . no 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #309

A) people aren't afraid of it 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #129

Lol, no, Bloomberg et all are 'not afraid of' OWS! sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #146

I'm sure they're terrified 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #147

Again, what are your sources? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #150

I've dealt with people like you before 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #158

Still avoiding the question I see. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #162

And we're done 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #163

No surprise that you are 'done'. I have written extensively, right here on this sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #173

Look, I get that you want to believe this is working 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #148

Look, I get that you oppose this movement for some reason. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #152

Straw-man alert 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #157

Speaking of strawmen! I have been posting about OWS's successes since the day sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #160

Let's sum up, because I think it's clear you're running out of steam 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #161

Mmm, some very familiar phraseology on OWS. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #184

I'll leave you with a parting thought 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #189

I will ask you the same question. Once again you display sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #196

You are rude to speak that way to another poster. vanlassie Jul 2012 #201

That guy is too lazy to study the many sources Mosaic Jul 2012 #233

Well said ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #165

Maybe you should ask yourself why that poster has ignored sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #186

Er, just to clarify 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #192

Now I am going to ask you to post sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #200

Why did you jump to the conclusion Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #197

Then I suggest you read them again, AND the comment which you sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #198

OWS'S Great Accomplishment notundecided Jul 2012 #305

I never did. pintobean Jul 2012 #307

If you sincerely believe that their greatest accomplishment 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #308

Dude, don't you get it? zappaman Jul 2012 #310

People in the street protesting is where "change we can believe in" will come from Teamster Jeff Jul 2012 #98

Yep, what you said Jeff............... socialist_n_TN Jul 2012 #116

... WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #100

By the by, feel free to use any of the photos nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #104

Thank you nadin and everyone.. ananda Jul 2012 #103

Effect of Occupy or any social movement are not always in your face. vanlassie Jul 2012 #121

:D Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #138

Occupy has also been busy working on forclosure issues. vanlassie Jul 2012 #135

thanks for the pics Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #153

Occupiers are marching down the beach toward the Koch Bro's Romney fundraiser. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #166

I first read fifty... and I went that's all? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #170

They're everywhere!! sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #271

Are there any concrete numbers available Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #172

I am sure somebody compiled them nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #174

I have searched to no avail Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #176

Since police forces nationwide no longer nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #178

Oh, I've no doubt that someone compiled the numbers Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #182

Well don't look for those numbers in the MSM nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #185

I have not used the MSM as a news source Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #190

A little insight into OWS nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #195

I asked specifically about the NatGat numbers Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #202

I did, re-read my post nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #203

Oh, I get it now ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #215

I am just passing it to you from horses mouth nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #219

I asked an extremely simple question Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #223

You got the DATA I KNEW FROM SAN DIEGO, for the WEEK OF ACTION nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #224

No, it wasn't the answer I was looking for. Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #228

Ok... San Diego is a rather conservative town nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #232

My original question remains, Nadin Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #241

Go look for oaksho! And numbers nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #246

I never asked about the LOCAL week of action Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #251

You got your numbers nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #253

I posed the simple question Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #267

OMG!!! Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #254

Because I wasn't looking for it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #256

Well, what is it, Nadin? Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #274

One last thing nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #270

If I could have found that info Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #273

It took me ten seconds actually nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #275

"Remember, this thread is about Occupy San Diego, specifically about ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #280

Gee I told you why Occupiers are not doing numbers nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #286

"Numbers is a tightly held piece of data." zappaman Jul 2012 #236

Outside pintobean Jul 2012 #257

"Occupiers don't do numbers." Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #292

If large numbers equal success. vanlassie Jul 2012 #187

Again ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #194

Numbers. This past week, there were occupy events across the country. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #206

I am well aware Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #217

Well, unfortunately for the Banks, it is far from irrelevant. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #222

"As for numbers, numbers do not matter at this point." Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #225

Bill Maher said it best. randome Jul 2012 #227

Good message Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #234

The "movement" will not grow without a leader. zappaman Jul 2012 #240

When the CORPORATE media interviews anyone, sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #242

I don't watch corporate media. zappaman Jul 2012 #245

If they had fallen for the calls to name a leader, that leader would have sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #252

The numbers that prove OWS is continuing to grow are not limited to protests anymore. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #238

How large were the numbers? Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #243

Apparently the numbers are super secret! zappaman Jul 2012 #247

No, they are not 'super secret'. As I found when I did a simple google search. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #283

Not a very good strategy, seriously. Eg, you made a statement above sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #250

To me, it is irrelevant Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #264

I just find it odd that any Democrat would find a Social Justice movement sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #266

To your first question, yes nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #269

You seem unable to distinguish Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #272

Point to me or Sabrina any current occupy, in the US, there is one in Madrid nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #277

Your question was the 'obfuscation'. Following on a post that proved you wrong sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #279

Holding up a sign that says "Occupy" Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #282

Thank you! And again you refuse to address an issue YOU raised sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #284

I asked a simple question Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #290

I provided you with answers which you chose to ignore. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #293

We've gone through this before, sabrina Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #294

Considering that it is so irrelevant to you, you have spent more time here sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #295

As I said, sabrina Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #303

great news sweetapogee Jul 2012 #181

Right, they are there, and they are about as useless as tits on a pig. nt cecilfirefox Jul 2012 #199

Bill Mahrer needs to get out more often nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #205

OWS reminds me of how I have been hearing how soccer fever would sweep the USA since about '75 Throd Jul 2012 #208

Linux is about to overtake Windows, also. randome Jul 2012 #209

You do realize though that they moved away from "camping" nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #211

So you do not know anything about what OWS is currently doing either? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #288

Occupiers all over the country have been forcibly removed from public spaces pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #298

Nadin, reading the responses of the Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #218

Same exact response, you are correct nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #220

"So we may even see fireworks." zappaman Jul 2012 #248

I find it fascinating, and even fun as it so similar to the far right's sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #285

For those of you who have enjoyed this thread... randome Jul 2012 #229

"Trash Thread" is much quicker than Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #235

These type of threads are always interesting to me. randome Jul 2012 #239

Your response seems to be in opposition to Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #244

I also never say "I'm done with you." randome Jul 2012 #249

But you never seem to increase your knowledge despite your stated 'interest'. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #263

Ah, my old friend, who has no interest in OWS, but nevertheless, never misses a thread sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #261

Oh, I missed this one for a while because I was busy. randome Jul 2012 #265

I'm looking for the critical thinking you speak of, and all I can find are the same old sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #268

Thank you, Nadinbrzezinski. 99Forever Jul 2012 #260

They said warrprayer Jul 2012 #301

Great Pics warrprayer Jul 2012 #302

the hostility and belligerence toward OWS is pretty creepy fascisthunter Jul 2012 #311

You welcome, and I got my work out too! nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #312