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Summer Hathaway

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215. Oh, I get it now ...

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 07:33 PM

Jul 2012

"Numbers is a tightly held piece of data."

Why did NatGat not think it was tightly-held data when they were touting the estimates of participants at 1,500?

Why did it become top secret after the fact? Could it be that the anticipated number didn't even come close to the actual numbers?

On the one hand, you insist that Occupy is not dead, but is a growing movement. Then, when asked about the numbers of people who participated in NatGat, the numbers can't be revealed out of a sense of 'operational security that is military like'.

Seriously, Nadin - this is all sounding a bit too much like Fundie Christians. "Don't question anything - just believe what we believe."

Now please tell me - with a straight face - that if NatGat had garnered a substantial amount of people, OWS would be keeping that information to themselves.

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I know, I know Occupy is dead... right [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 OP

Not dead, but not terribly relevant. geek tragedy Jul 2012 #1

Just because the Corporate media tells you this nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #3

So what changes can you point at that were solely due to OWS? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #11

I'll tell you the biggest thing Occupy did. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #67

That's hugely significant lovemydog Jul 2012 #85

"getting us out of our alienation and away from our computers" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #89

That counts lovemydog Jul 2012 #90

You got a number. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #92

Perhaps on another day lovemydog Jul 2012 #93

Wanna do a clutch job? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #96

That was a significant accomplishment. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #99

They single-handedly stopped all the talk of the people 'sharing the sacrifice' sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #71

responsible for forcing BOA to drop the fees they were planning Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #91

OWS changed the tone and direction of Obama's SOTU address from bvar22 Jul 2012 #117

Right You Are... " we are the 99%" Kick/R goclark Jul 2012 #155

What difference are they making? geek tragedy Jul 2012 #22

Well locally they have brought attention to a few nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #26

Many people don't understand what the Occupy movement is about. MiaCulpa Jul 2012 #49

I should look at crooks and liars nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #51

The more the merrier! :) eom MiaCulpa Jul 2012 #54

OCCUPY movement Contains Brave and True Warriors goclark Jul 2012 #79

Indeed they do nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #111

In your local area you can find them lovemydog Jul 2012 #127

Thanks! goclark Jul 2012 #154

Thank you for the excellent examples lovemydog Jul 2012 #86

*facepalm* Zalatix Jul 2012 #4

Lol, but way more relevant that Congress. How many people has Congress kept in their sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #61

And what exactly is terribly relevant? Pray tell me. Puregonzo1188 Jul 2012 #81

OWS is either for you or it is not... Magoo48 Jul 2012 #191

"Occupy Fresno: Longest Continuous Occupation in the United States" Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #204

Fresno! Home of Freerepublic Whoo Hoo! Saw them yesterday! vanlassie Jul 2012 #207

That whooshing sound you heard Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #221

Ok maybe I was not clear. vanlassie Jul 2012 #226

Actually you weren't clear at all Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #230

Well, yeah, it was a bit over the top. vanlassie Jul 2012 #231

Over the top? LOL! Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #237

Awesome! Great pics n/t Teamster Jeff Jul 2012 #2

And I am grateful. Downwinder Jul 2012 #5

Next time they take to the streets nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #6

LOL malaise Jul 2012 #7

You know what sucked? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #10

The workout alone is worth the effort. Blanks Jul 2012 #118

Well at least locally we have plenty of vets nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #124

Thanks for the pictures and reportage. PufPuf23 Jul 2012 #8

When I cannot be there, I donate. Zalatix Jul 2012 #9

Occupy was just the next step in the fight back......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2012 #12

Just one correction, they are not waning, they are evolving nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #14

OK. Evolving is OK too.......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2012 #17

Today we had a contingent from Bayan nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #20

Radicalization is the opposite of civility. dkf Jul 2012 #76

Ok...whatever nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #78

i'm always so glad for your posts so i can learn the latest establishment talking points. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #84

Well it's better than the alternative. dkf Jul 2012 #88

the 'alternative' being....? HiPointDem Jul 2012 #94

There are 6 billion other people we could swap with. dkf Jul 2012 #97

I know, isnt change soooo scary? Why dont people realize that the Koch Bros will take good rhett o rick Jul 2012 #141

You want "civility"? No problem........... socialist_n_TN Jul 2012 #108

We're already seeing that, and OWS is the rational middle which is growing sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #140

I dont know, maybe he has a point. Freedom is probably over rated. Wouldnt it be nice to rhett o rick Jul 2012 #142

Hey some kool aid, with ice mind you, nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #151

Sure and while you're at it add some vodka. Oh yeah, hold the Kool Aid. nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #156

Alcohol sucks for dehydration nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #168

Yeah I know. I just put more "rocks" in my vodka for the hydration. rhett o rick Jul 2012 #175

The Tea Party held a demonstration in San Diego the same day. hack89 Jul 2012 #13

300 tea baggers vanlassie Jul 2012 #33

How many OWS? nt hack89 Jul 2012 #41

You have no Google? vanlassie Jul 2012 #46

Nadine posted it below. 500 people - just a little more than the Tea Party. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #297

It has very little support, outside of some dedicated enthusiasts ... Trajan Jul 2012 #15

That is the MSM talking nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #18

+1,000,000. vanlassie Jul 2012 #28

And why not after hearing those things day in and day out over and over again. zeemike Jul 2012 #42

I'll be surprised if channel eight nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #43

Channel eight was "saved" be breaking nooz nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #113

See...you were not surprised. zeemike Jul 2012 #120

One cure comes to mind quakerboy Jul 2012 #36

Should I add piccies of children I took? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #40

Might be good. quakerboy Jul 2012 #59

Wow, I guess you are depending on the MSM for 'news' of OWS. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #64

And the kid bemoaning three months in, "nothing has changed" nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #68

How many people were there? Brickbat Jul 2012 #16

They're against Toilet Paper Products now? Where will it end???? randome Jul 2012 #19

Ummm....only Koch Brothers paper products..... vanlassie Jul 2012 #25

Photos mean nothing, if they are only a reminder of what could have been, a meaningful and just julian09 Jul 2012 #21

So what have you done lately? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #23

I'm more interested at what happened at the conference, could you throw light on that. julian09 Jul 2012 #32

They educated people on what TTP will do nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #34

The media seems to think it's dead or maybe they are trying to kill it. Raine Jul 2012 #24

Just read this thread nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #27

can't kill an idea. k+r limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #29

And thanks to everyone in San Diego demonstrating during this. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #30

My role is press nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #37

Seems to me that Occupy has done it's job Kalidurga Jul 2012 #31

How the race for the presidency can be close is beyond me julian09 Jul 2012 #38

It's more than physical occupation now ,it's orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #35

It's evolved, indeed nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #39

Same in Norcal! alp227 Jul 2012 #44

It is evolving nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #45

Kick. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #47

K&R DeSwiss Jul 2012 #48

That is a fav graphic of mine. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #53

I just hope that all that marching nationwide transitions into actual votes in November. 4lbs Jul 2012 #50

You realize the occupy movement nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #52

Yes I do. However, to get things done requires politics, like it or not. 4lbs Jul 2012 #56

Unfortunately I am reporting nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #73

And there are occupiers who are running for office. If you want to see them succeed sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #77

They have national power because they represent the corporate interests. Sirveri Jul 2012 #83

The official political system is broken and no amount of gotv is going to fix it. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #102

(Yes, there is a difference) 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #106

Which if you bother reading the thread nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #110

Er, no. They aren't 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #112

So let me get this straight nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #114

Yeah pretty much 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #115

Huge universe sized clue nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #122

WOW! zappaman Jul 2012 #123

Ah ok so we're going by your assessment because nothing The Man says is true 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #128

I am, here are contacts for you nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #132

Ok, I'm game. OWS got the mighty empire-city of Encintas to . . 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #133

Your claim, shut down, nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #134

Perhaps you could point to the specific part of your link you want me to look at 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #144

I told you to go CALL the city nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #149

"You know why the right is fracking wining" 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #159

I gave you concrete accomplishments nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #164

That's it? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #167

Child, you are really shitting on what you do not know nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #169

Jeeze. That "child" shit is so pintobean Jul 2012 #177

Third concrete example nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #179

Child Please! 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #180

What you are hearing goes against your core belief nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #183

Ahahahahahah 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #188

You are right, we are done nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #193

I know 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #210

Nope, you are wrong nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #212

Child please! 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #213

Yup, you are nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #214

+ 1,000,000,000 DocMac Jul 2012 #276

You don't have to be so insulting. zappaman Jul 2012 #171

Actually he does 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #255

For future reference, "he" is a she. zappaman Jul 2012 #258

My mistake 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #259

I suppose you're left with simply minimizing the actions of a group LanternWaste Jul 2012 #296

I don't have to minimize anything 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #300

The groups that you highlight have all, at some point, made a decision to join the establishment. Magoo48 Jul 2012 #216

Occupy came about through a need for direct action to make up for where the existing system has Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #57

And that's why Occupy needs to get the attention of the politicians. 4lbs Jul 2012 #60

Some occupiers run for office, nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #62

Or to create a world not requiring "leaders" or "politicians" Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #69

With over 7,000 Occupiers arrested over 9 months, many by democratic mayors, it is obvious Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #87

Some of them even read these forums. Them, or their tools. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #95

Indeed. woo me with science Jul 2012 #105

:) Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #137

K&R hay rick Jul 2012 #55

Well, I for one feel the Occupy Movement could have been greater. Proles Jul 2012 #58

That is why the Central Labor Council nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #63

'Could have been'? The movement is only in its infancy and has accomplished far more sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #66

Occupy just helped get a homeowner's bill of rights onto CA gov Jerry Brown's desk. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #74

Here is the meat of the rub, you think that embracing Democrats is in any substantive way TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #139

I'll take the word of people who posted above me that occupy Proles Jul 2012 #262

Just in my county nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #278

How is supporting Democrats going to pull them to the left, when Democrats strategy is TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #313

Still going strong in Oakland... Taverner Jul 2012 #65

Link to FB photo of Occupier being arrested today. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #70

I suspect where nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #72

Any and all who wish Occupy would do more should find their local Occupation and get busy with it. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #75

An amazing 20 people marching around with no focus.. Joe the Revelator Jul 2012 #80

I dunno Joe, looks like at least maybe 2 dozen. zappaman Jul 2012 #82

You get things done in this country in one of two ways 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #109

Scores, according to this article. pintobean Jul 2012 #101

Ah but you're talking about it 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #107

Why are people so afraid of a movement that has spread so quickly across the world sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #119

You point to 'accomplishments OWS has made for real people'... Joe the Revelator Jul 2012 #125

I asked you some questions, which you have not answered. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #126

Because the 'movement' is unfocused and silly.. Joe the Revelator Jul 2012 #131

Unfocused? Not according to Wall Street Bankers or Republicans. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #136

Apparently they have achieved two things: 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #130

Where do you get your information on OWS? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #143

The . . . news . . . 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #145

The Bush Tax Cuts notundecided Jul 2012 #304

Alright at this point yall are just saying stuff 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #306

BS pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #281

I'm 'fraid we will need to teach nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #287

:) pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #289

Tasty, and the house smells of fresh bread nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #291

Lashing out, 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #299

No . . . no . . . no 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #309

A) people aren't afraid of it 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #129

Lol, no, Bloomberg et all are 'not afraid of' OWS! sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #146

I'm sure they're terrified 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #147

Again, what are your sources? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #150

I've dealt with people like you before 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #158

Still avoiding the question I see. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #162

And we're done 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #163

No surprise that you are 'done'. I have written extensively, right here on this sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #173

Look, I get that you want to believe this is working 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #148

Look, I get that you oppose this movement for some reason. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #152

Straw-man alert 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #157

Speaking of strawmen! I have been posting about OWS's successes since the day sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #160

Let's sum up, because I think it's clear you're running out of steam 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #161

Mmm, some very familiar phraseology on OWS. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #184

I'll leave you with a parting thought 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #189

I will ask you the same question. Once again you display sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #196

You are rude to speak that way to another poster. vanlassie Jul 2012 #201

That guy is too lazy to study the many sources Mosaic Jul 2012 #233

Well said ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #165

Maybe you should ask yourself why that poster has ignored sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #186

Er, just to clarify 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #192

Now I am going to ask you to post sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #200

Why did you jump to the conclusion Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #197

Then I suggest you read them again, AND the comment which you sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #198

OWS'S Great Accomplishment notundecided Jul 2012 #305

I never did. pintobean Jul 2012 #307

If you sincerely believe that their greatest accomplishment 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #308

Dude, don't you get it? zappaman Jul 2012 #310

People in the street protesting is where "change we can believe in" will come from Teamster Jeff Jul 2012 #98

Yep, what you said Jeff............... socialist_n_TN Jul 2012 #116

... WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #100

By the by, feel free to use any of the photos nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #104

Thank you nadin and everyone.. ananda Jul 2012 #103

Effect of Occupy or any social movement are not always in your face. vanlassie Jul 2012 #121

:D Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #138

Occupy has also been busy working on forclosure issues. vanlassie Jul 2012 #135

thanks for the pics Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #153

Occupiers are marching down the beach toward the Koch Bro's Romney fundraiser. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #166

I first read fifty... and I went that's all? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #170

They're everywhere!! sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #271

Are there any concrete numbers available Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #172

I am sure somebody compiled them nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #174

I have searched to no avail Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #176

Since police forces nationwide no longer nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #178

Oh, I've no doubt that someone compiled the numbers Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #182

Well don't look for those numbers in the MSM nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #185

I have not used the MSM as a news source Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #190

A little insight into OWS nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #195

I asked specifically about the NatGat numbers Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #202

I did, re-read my post nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #203

Oh, I get it now ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #215

I am just passing it to you from horses mouth nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #219

I asked an extremely simple question Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #223

You got the DATA I KNEW FROM SAN DIEGO, for the WEEK OF ACTION nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #224

No, it wasn't the answer I was looking for. Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #228

Ok... San Diego is a rather conservative town nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #232

My original question remains, Nadin Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #241

Go look for oaksho! And numbers nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #246

I never asked about the LOCAL week of action Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #251

You got your numbers nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #253

I posed the simple question Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #267

OMG!!! Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #254

Because I wasn't looking for it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #256

Well, what is it, Nadin? Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #274

One last thing nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #270

If I could have found that info Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #273

It took me ten seconds actually nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #275

"Remember, this thread is about Occupy San Diego, specifically about ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #280

Gee I told you why Occupiers are not doing numbers nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #286

"Numbers is a tightly held piece of data." zappaman Jul 2012 #236

Outside pintobean Jul 2012 #257

"Occupiers don't do numbers." Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #292

If large numbers equal success. vanlassie Jul 2012 #187

Again ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #194

Numbers. This past week, there were occupy events across the country. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #206

I am well aware Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #217

Well, unfortunately for the Banks, it is far from irrelevant. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #222

"As for numbers, numbers do not matter at this point." Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #225

Bill Maher said it best. randome Jul 2012 #227

Good message Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #234

The "movement" will not grow without a leader. zappaman Jul 2012 #240

When the CORPORATE media interviews anyone, sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #242

I don't watch corporate media. zappaman Jul 2012 #245

If they had fallen for the calls to name a leader, that leader would have sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #252

The numbers that prove OWS is continuing to grow are not limited to protests anymore. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #238

How large were the numbers? Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #243

Apparently the numbers are super secret! zappaman Jul 2012 #247

No, they are not 'super secret'. As I found when I did a simple google search. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #283

Not a very good strategy, seriously. Eg, you made a statement above sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #250

To me, it is irrelevant Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #264

I just find it odd that any Democrat would find a Social Justice movement sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #266

To your first question, yes nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #269

You seem unable to distinguish Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #272

Point to me or Sabrina any current occupy, in the US, there is one in Madrid nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #277

Your question was the 'obfuscation'. Following on a post that proved you wrong sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #279

Holding up a sign that says "Occupy" Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #282

Thank you! And again you refuse to address an issue YOU raised sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #284

I asked a simple question Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #290

I provided you with answers which you chose to ignore. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #293

We've gone through this before, sabrina Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #294

Considering that it is so irrelevant to you, you have spent more time here sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #295

As I said, sabrina Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #303

great news sweetapogee Jul 2012 #181

Right, they are there, and they are about as useless as tits on a pig. nt cecilfirefox Jul 2012 #199

Bill Mahrer needs to get out more often nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #205

OWS reminds me of how I have been hearing how soccer fever would sweep the USA since about '75 Throd Jul 2012 #208

Linux is about to overtake Windows, also. randome Jul 2012 #209

You do realize though that they moved away from "camping" nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #211

So you do not know anything about what OWS is currently doing either? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #288

Occupiers all over the country have been forcibly removed from public spaces pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #298

Nadin, reading the responses of the Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #218

Same exact response, you are correct nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #220

"So we may even see fireworks." zappaman Jul 2012 #248

I find it fascinating, and even fun as it so similar to the far right's sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #285

For those of you who have enjoyed this thread... randome Jul 2012 #229

"Trash Thread" is much quicker than Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #235

These type of threads are always interesting to me. randome Jul 2012 #239

Your response seems to be in opposition to Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #244

I also never say "I'm done with you." randome Jul 2012 #249

But you never seem to increase your knowledge despite your stated 'interest'. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #263

Ah, my old friend, who has no interest in OWS, but nevertheless, never misses a thread sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #261

Oh, I missed this one for a while because I was busy. randome Jul 2012 #265

I'm looking for the critical thinking you speak of, and all I can find are the same old sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #268

Thank you, Nadinbrzezinski. 99Forever Jul 2012 #260

They said warrprayer Jul 2012 #301

Great Pics warrprayer Jul 2012 #302

the hostility and belligerence toward OWS is pretty creepy fascisthunter Jul 2012 #311

You welcome, and I got my work out too! nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #312