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wildeyed

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166. Hacking is not one of them if you can't prove it.

Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:50 AM

Jun 2017

I can PROVE the other ways. What you are doing is called 'speculating'. It's a useful starting point, but the facts do not match up with your speculation.

Tabulators accessed from the MOON? COME ON! Not all close elections go to GOP either. Notice how Roy Cooper is the Governor of NC? And how Barack Obama won NC's EC in 2008? JFK won by .02% too. It's funny, I googled 'Democrats win close elections' and the top hit was a RW blog complaining how DEMS always win close elections.

The fact is that in close calls, the party that controls the state legislature is much more likely to edge a win. That is mostly GOP right now. THAT is how they do it, not hacking. It's not hard to figure this out. Makes more sense than hackers on the moon, for sure.

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"It increasingly looks like Russian hackers may have affected actual vote totals." [View all] babylonsister Jun 2017 OP

Kick. dalton99a Jun 2017 #1

0.0016% chance of winning all 5 states oxbow Jun 2017 #2

Quirky note: Pennsylvania hadn't gone Republican in years Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #58

The person who made that claim isn't an expert in statistical polling mythology Jun 2017 #76

That was 538's reason for putting Trump's chances of winning higher than any other system. wildeyed Jun 2017 #91

Quit being a deer in the headlights. kyburbonkid Jun 2017 #99

So vote was hacked because Iranian nuclear centrifuges and the evil Diebold?!?! wildeyed Jun 2017 #104

Because Putin doesn't leave things to chance. 58Sunliner Jun 2017 #111

Yeah, because this is working out EXACTLY the way Putin planned, wildeyed Jun 2017 #116

He can't control everything. It's not that the right isn't trying. 58Sunliner Jun 2017 #208

STUXNET affected less than 30% of the centrifuges at one facility. Calista241 Jun 2017 #131

Right? wildeyed Jun 2017 #168

"I dunno why people are so set on vote hacking as the reason Clinton lost" vi5 Jun 2017 #202

It wasn't a perfect campaign, but I didn't see it as all that bad either. wildeyed Jun 2017 #206

Not even that it was a horrible campaign.... vi5 Jun 2017 #209

BOOM. nt Maven Jun 2017 #3

Indeed. calimary Jun 2017 #174

i would be shocked if they DIDN'T. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #4

I agree. rockfordfile Jun 2017 #15

exactly hurple Jun 2017 #31

Yes. Duh. Why would they stop short of that? I never believed they didn't. It just makes no sense Amaryllis Jun 2017 #41

Of course he wouldn't stop Jacquette Jun 2017 #84

100% 58Sunliner Jun 2017 #114

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So here is the question: Does the Dem leadership actually think they didn't or do they just want us Amaryllis Jun 2017 #87

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What can be done to combat this? book_worm Jun 2017 #5

Return to all-paper, hand-count voting - bar none. sandensea Jun 2017 #29

Yeah, who cares if it takes longer to tally the results. Zing Zing Zingbah Jun 2017 #33

It doesn't even take that much longer anyway. LisaM Jun 2017 #36

In the Fifties and Sixties, when I was first following presidential elections as a kid... maddiemom Jun 2017 #186

Maybe we can sell this to the networks. tecelote Jun 2017 #50

Great idea :) Zing Zing Zingbah Jun 2017 #51

Its a myth that it takes longer LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #78

Question: How many names are on the average ballot? dragonlady Jun 2017 #178

I would even be OK with ScanTron type ballots. MGKrebs Jun 2017 #38

If you use the machines, then you have the rigged count. Audits can be rigged too. diva77 Jun 2017 #146

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Yes! The say the devil's in the details - in this case, "proprietary" software. sandensea Jun 2017 #83

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how can open source be transparent? machines/software are still vulnerable to tampering diva77 Jun 2017 #177

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YES! maddiemom Jun 2017 #185

Optical scanners can be useful and are relatively safe. politicat Jun 2017 #195

The DU hack was all the evidence I needed to know this to be true. byronius Jun 2017 #6

thinking same thing Johonny Jun 2017 #7

Yep. I knew something was up the minute we were hacked. we can do it Jun 2017 #25

totally agree... dhill926 Jun 2017 #47

+1 (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2017 #115

a little weird, wasn't it Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #56

DU has nothing to do with voting machines. wildeyed Jun 2017 #93

No, but attempted tampering of the voting systems, the "bots" deluging social media, and the DU Hack SharonAnn Jun 2017 #95

No. Social media bots are not the same as hacking a voting systems. wildeyed Jun 2017 #98

I beg to differ. byronius Jun 2017 #118

Nah, It's because she is wearing a Jill Stein 2016 sticker on her shirt. wildeyed Jun 2017 #136

I'm ignoring nothing. byronius Jun 2017 #148

When there is no proof of election fraud, it is distraction to say there is. wildeyed Jun 2017 #167

I dispute your characterization that there is lack of proof. byronius Jun 2017 #170

It's a YOUTUBE video. wildeyed Jun 2017 #188

Yes, yes, without Absolute Proof that YOU will accept, WE must NEVER discuss the possibility. byronius Jun 2017 #189

More than a YouTube video is not too much to ask. wildeyed Jun 2017 #192

If I thought there was any dialogue possible, I'd make the attempt. byronius Jun 2017 #194

Give me a link. wildeyed Jun 2017 #196

Here, front page Daily Kos. byronius Jun 2017 #197

I have no argument with anything in the Kos article. wildeyed Jun 2017 #199

I'm very aware of the power grid story. byronius Jun 2017 #200

It's a combination of factors. Hacking is one of them. You have named other modes as well. diva77 Jun 2017 #147

Hacking is not one of them if you can't prove it. wildeyed Jun 2017 #166

It is because hacking is so difficult to detect that the burden of proof should be switched diva77 Jun 2017 #173

But it's not that difficult to detect. wildeyed Jun 2017 #190

In war, knocking out your opponent's communication is crucial tinrobot Jun 2017 #119

Oh please. wildeyed Jun 2017 #124

If DU is as unimportant as you suggest, then why was it taken down? tinrobot Jun 2017 #129

Because it amused someone to do so. wildeyed Jun 2017 #132

Why are you hell-bent Control-Z Jun 2017 #140

I am NOT denying the possibility. wildeyed Jun 2017 #162

If it turns out to be true and I'm willing to see the evidence stevenleser Jun 2017 #97

Plus we would have likely been all over the mess communicating issues. we can do it Jun 2017 #102

Voting machines are not connected to the internet. n/t BzaDem Jun 2017 #133

You're wrong about that. byronius Jun 2017 #150

I read that as "Russian hookers." Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2017 #8

Was there really ever any doubt? hamsterjill Jun 2017 #9

Agree aka-chmeee Jun 2017 #22

And I agree totally and completely with you. hamsterjill Jun 2017 #24

i also bluestarone Jun 2017 #60

Totally agree with your statement. LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #81

You want the truth? You can't even SEE the truth. wildeyed Jun 2017 #117

There's truth to your statement. hamsterjill Jun 2017 #125

+ 1000 Achilleaze Jun 2017 #126

Here in Michigan, he "won" by 10,700 votes out of 4,977,000. All they'd have to do is flip a few catbyte Jun 2017 #10

that's right. barbtries Jun 2017 #11

Add those few votes to a massive Bettie Jun 2017 #42

188,000 voters were thrown off the rolls in the months prior to the election by GOP catbyte Jun 2017 #82

Neither will I Bettie Jun 2017 #85

Then to make it all the more suspect, the recount started going Clinton's way. 45*'s catbyte Jun 2017 #143

How many machines were there in Detroit that weren't working right? csziggy Jun 2017 #68

And even with that, 45* was losing a significant number of votes in the recount, so naturally catbyte Jun 2017 #144

russians and republicans f*cking over America Achilleaze Jun 2017 #12

Agreed Pinkflamingo Jun 2017 #180

Kick BadgerMom Jun 2017 #13

Why does this not surprise me? yuiyoshida Jun 2017 #14

K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Jun 2017 #16

PLUS voter suppression. CHEATING pansypoo53219 Jun 2017 #17

MARCHES OF MILLIONS IN THE STREETS!! LAWSUIT ELECTION TAMPERING! SPECIAL ELECTION NEW PRES!! trueblue2007 Jun 2017 #18

Can't Be Me. Jun 2017 #19

That's the media storyline, lapucelle Jun 2017 #106

I've said this. Control-Z Jun 2017 #141

Kicking above all the Sessions threads. nolabear Jun 2017 #20

What are we going to do about it? classykaren Jun 2017 #21

I'll repeat this, over and over again.... Teacheral Jun 2017 #23

be sure to include "hand counted" paper ballots!! diva77 Jun 2017 #128

How? Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #26

Right, Because The Evidence Is So Easy To Find SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 #30

At least a plausible theory then Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #40

I checked with voter protection groups in my state about vote flipping and voter rolls. wildeyed Jun 2017 #96

Exactly. Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #156

With some crimes you don't have a dead body lying on the floor in a pool of blood. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #35

Ahh, so it's the mythical perpetual excuse for losing so you never have to look past it Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #44

you can't say how it was done you cant show any evidence it was done but are sure it was done bluestarone Jun 2017 #64

I'm saying that if you can't even come up with a valid theory of how it was done Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #69

and i'm saying bluestarone Jun 2017 #73

There's actual proof, and stopping the recount isn't proof of much more than obstructing recounting. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #71

You ignore the harsh evidenciary reality to your own detriment. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #70

You mean like stealing an election with voter supression and weaponized propoganda? wildeyed Jun 2017 #94

That way and every other way imaginable, shaving points at every turn, plus L. Coyote Jun 2017 #145

That's a real thing at least Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #157

One way is to simply remove Democrats from voter rolls. tinrobot Jun 2017 #120

But if tens of thousands of democrats were suddenly missing from the rolls Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #158

Of course. We have to go "there" . It was stolen. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #27

I 100% Agree! SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 #28

I remember when even longtime DUers Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #32

I wonder what they think at Jack Pine Radicals? I wonder if they accept Russia-gate or see it StevieM Jun 2017 #67

They would have been in line right behind the Republicans then! L. Coyote Jun 2017 #34

I Think Detroit Is Ground Zero DallasNE Jun 2017 #37

Don't forget over 90 missing/"lost" Bettie Jun 2017 #43

Those ruskies were slick for sure MichMan Jun 2017 #72

Thank you for this. nt knr LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #39

...aaaannndd the republicans said.... lindysalsagal Jun 2017 #45

A reminder: mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2017 #46

He Has Also Predicted Me. Jun 2017 #48

... which I find more palatable. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2017 #49

Too bad it will take so long for impeachment Pinkflamingo Jun 2017 #183

Let's just re-count all of the ballots! Thunderbeast Jun 2017 #52

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Dunno exactly how the system works in Oregon, wildeyed Jun 2017 #101

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I'm assuming there is some fail-safe built into the system. wildeyed Jun 2017 #107

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There is a paper trail on the touch screen machines I vote on. wildeyed Jun 2017 #122

paper receipts will never see the light of day 99.9999% of the time, so they are useless. TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #152

they didn't have to fuck with the votes mercuryblues Jun 2017 #57

Voter ID laws are not the same as hacking the voting rolls. wildeyed Jun 2017 #109

If your ID mercuryblues Jun 2017 #121

Of course it happens mostly in Democratic areas. wildeyed Jun 2017 #130

This one is easy and I have said since the day after the election. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #59

I would have to bet that they DID. TryLogic Jun 2017 #61

I thought so, starting with election night. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #62

And after an opening title like that Lokilooney Jun 2017 #63

I don't like the election results, but that article sure hedges on what's in the title. Hoyt Jun 2017 #88

Of course they did. After going to the trouble of hacking in, why WOULDN'T Neema Jun 2017 #65

Don't forget the CONCERTED effort to discredit the exit poll data. usaf-vet Jun 2017 #66

yep; prior to 2000, elections polls had been very reliable, but all the sudden the talking TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #110

I am wondering if their first trial run took place in Kentucky in 2015. (eom) StevieM Jun 2017 #74

THIS is what stops me in my tracks ..... DK504 Jun 2017 #75

I fully bluestarone Jun 2017 #123

Marcon's victory in France may be in part because that nation relies on paper ballots... Rollo Jun 2017 #77

And because they don't have an EC. The EC makes hacking so much easier lunamagica Jun 2017 #127

Or it could be that Macron got more votes. wildeyed Jun 2017 #137

Huh? With electronic voting and/or an EC, even getting more votes doesn't always win. Rollo Jun 2017 #142

well, at least the french know for sure who got more votes, because they don't use hackable machines TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #153

Because elections were NEVER stolen when everyone had paper ballots. wildeyed Jun 2017 #169

no, but OBVIOUSLY the magnitude of tampering by hand is far less than that which can be achieved thr TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #187

It is not obvious at all. wildeyed Jun 2017 #191

K&R Solly Mack Jun 2017 #79

This hardly surprises me....... LongTomH Jun 2017 #80

Thanks, BabSis, for another incisive commentary by Chaz Pierce Hekate Jun 2017 #86

BabSis ROCKS! Pinkflamingo Jun 2017 #181

Which states declined to cooperate fully with DHS, other than GA? wildeyed Jun 2017 #89

k&r n/t lordsummerisle Jun 2017 #90

I have thought this since the day after the election. SweetieD Jun 2017 #92

They've known how easy it was to hack all that stuff for TWELVE YEARS Warpy Jun 2017 #108

16. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #113

Backdoors were programed into the voting machines and tabulators Botany Jun 2017 #165

K&R Scurrilous Jun 2017 #134

Wouldn't it be great if there were a recount in, say, Wisconsin, done mostly by hand? BzaDem Jun 2017 #135

Ah, 'cost/benefit'. byronius Jun 2017 #151

was that a comprehensive, state-wide hand recount of every single ballot? oh wait... NO. TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #154

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #138

Is English your second language? fleabiscuit Jun 2017 #139

Well, mission accomplished. Just the mere question of vote legitimacy YOHABLO Jun 2017 #149

The Gov will "protect" us from the truth get the red out Jun 2017 #155

Maybe they hacked his way through the primaries also JDC Jun 2017 #159

Get the logs for the servers where the vote tally takes place Rene Jun 2017 #160

We already know the election was illegitimate. Nitram Jun 2017 #161

What Happens if this is proven itcfish Jun 2017 #163

We will place sanctions on Russia...or something. jmg257 Jun 2017 #164

Probably itcfish Jun 2017 #179

Now here we go!...sanctions on Russia! jmg257 Jun 2017 #184

Control of, by, and for the 1% Trillo Jun 2017 #171

They think the American public CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. ElementaryPenguin Jun 2017 #172

K&R ck4829 Jun 2017 #175

Lies are allowed to storm, but truth has to trickle. dchill Jun 2017 #176

And the red state demand for Diebold machines. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2017 #182

'Reducing costs.' byronius Jun 2017 #198

Yeah we're getting reaped alright. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2017 #203

KICK! for more eyes.. furtheradu Jun 2017 #201

Yes, a thread like this should be pinned for awhile for maximum exposure. R B Garr Jun 2017 #204

ABSOLUTELY. furtheradu Jun 2017 #205

I think it might be more of an Admin function R B Garr Jun 2017 #207

I agree! furtheradu Jun 2017 #210

Thanks again! Question, please? furtheradu Jun 2017 #211