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wildeyed

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192. More than a YouTube video is not too much to ask.

Wed Jun 14, 2017, 05:49 PM

Jun 2017

I will discuss the POSSIBILITY of vote hacking. It is clearly possible and should be guarded against. What I will not do is accept that it already happened without PROOF.

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"It increasingly looks like Russian hackers may have affected actual vote totals." [View all] babylonsister Jun 2017 OP

Kick. dalton99a Jun 2017 #1

0.0016% chance of winning all 5 states oxbow Jun 2017 #2

Quirky note: Pennsylvania hadn't gone Republican in years Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #58

The person who made that claim isn't an expert in statistical polling mythology Jun 2017 #76

That was 538's reason for putting Trump's chances of winning higher than any other system. wildeyed Jun 2017 #91

Quit being a deer in the headlights. kyburbonkid Jun 2017 #99

So vote was hacked because Iranian nuclear centrifuges and the evil Diebold?!?! wildeyed Jun 2017 #104

Because Putin doesn't leave things to chance. 58Sunliner Jun 2017 #111

Yeah, because this is working out EXACTLY the way Putin planned, wildeyed Jun 2017 #116

He can't control everything. It's not that the right isn't trying. 58Sunliner Jun 2017 #208

STUXNET affected less than 30% of the centrifuges at one facility. Calista241 Jun 2017 #131

Right? wildeyed Jun 2017 #168

"I dunno why people are so set on vote hacking as the reason Clinton lost" vi5 Jun 2017 #202

It wasn't a perfect campaign, but I didn't see it as all that bad either. wildeyed Jun 2017 #206

Not even that it was a horrible campaign.... vi5 Jun 2017 #209

BOOM. nt Maven Jun 2017 #3

Indeed. calimary Jun 2017 #174

i would be shocked if they DIDN'T. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #4

I agree. rockfordfile Jun 2017 #15

exactly hurple Jun 2017 #31

Yes. Duh. Why would they stop short of that? I never believed they didn't. It just makes no sense Amaryllis Jun 2017 #41

Of course he wouldn't stop Jacquette Jun 2017 #84

100% 58Sunliner Jun 2017 #114

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So here is the question: Does the Dem leadership actually think they didn't or do they just want us Amaryllis Jun 2017 #87

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What can be done to combat this? book_worm Jun 2017 #5

Return to all-paper, hand-count voting - bar none. sandensea Jun 2017 #29

Yeah, who cares if it takes longer to tally the results. Zing Zing Zingbah Jun 2017 #33

It doesn't even take that much longer anyway. LisaM Jun 2017 #36

In the Fifties and Sixties, when I was first following presidential elections as a kid... maddiemom Jun 2017 #186

Maybe we can sell this to the networks. tecelote Jun 2017 #50

Great idea :) Zing Zing Zingbah Jun 2017 #51

Its a myth that it takes longer LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #78

Question: How many names are on the average ballot? dragonlady Jun 2017 #178

I would even be OK with ScanTron type ballots. MGKrebs Jun 2017 #38

If you use the machines, then you have the rigged count. Audits can be rigged too. diva77 Jun 2017 #146

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Yes! The say the devil's in the details - in this case, "proprietary" software. sandensea Jun 2017 #83

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how can open source be transparent? machines/software are still vulnerable to tampering diva77 Jun 2017 #177

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YES! maddiemom Jun 2017 #185

Optical scanners can be useful and are relatively safe. politicat Jun 2017 #195

The DU hack was all the evidence I needed to know this to be true. byronius Jun 2017 #6

thinking same thing Johonny Jun 2017 #7

Yep. I knew something was up the minute we were hacked. we can do it Jun 2017 #25

totally agree... dhill926 Jun 2017 #47

+1 (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2017 #115

a little weird, wasn't it Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #56

DU has nothing to do with voting machines. wildeyed Jun 2017 #93

No, but attempted tampering of the voting systems, the "bots" deluging social media, and the DU Hack SharonAnn Jun 2017 #95

No. Social media bots are not the same as hacking a voting systems. wildeyed Jun 2017 #98

I beg to differ. byronius Jun 2017 #118

Nah, It's because she is wearing a Jill Stein 2016 sticker on her shirt. wildeyed Jun 2017 #136

I'm ignoring nothing. byronius Jun 2017 #148

When there is no proof of election fraud, it is distraction to say there is. wildeyed Jun 2017 #167

I dispute your characterization that there is lack of proof. byronius Jun 2017 #170

It's a YOUTUBE video. wildeyed Jun 2017 #188

Yes, yes, without Absolute Proof that YOU will accept, WE must NEVER discuss the possibility. byronius Jun 2017 #189

More than a YouTube video is not too much to ask. wildeyed Jun 2017 #192

If I thought there was any dialogue possible, I'd make the attempt. byronius Jun 2017 #194

Give me a link. wildeyed Jun 2017 #196

Here, front page Daily Kos. byronius Jun 2017 #197

I have no argument with anything in the Kos article. wildeyed Jun 2017 #199

I'm very aware of the power grid story. byronius Jun 2017 #200

It's a combination of factors. Hacking is one of them. You have named other modes as well. diva77 Jun 2017 #147

Hacking is not one of them if you can't prove it. wildeyed Jun 2017 #166

It is because hacking is so difficult to detect that the burden of proof should be switched diva77 Jun 2017 #173

But it's not that difficult to detect. wildeyed Jun 2017 #190

In war, knocking out your opponent's communication is crucial tinrobot Jun 2017 #119

Oh please. wildeyed Jun 2017 #124

If DU is as unimportant as you suggest, then why was it taken down? tinrobot Jun 2017 #129

Because it amused someone to do so. wildeyed Jun 2017 #132

Why are you hell-bent Control-Z Jun 2017 #140

I am NOT denying the possibility. wildeyed Jun 2017 #162

If it turns out to be true and I'm willing to see the evidence stevenleser Jun 2017 #97

Plus we would have likely been all over the mess communicating issues. we can do it Jun 2017 #102

Voting machines are not connected to the internet. n/t BzaDem Jun 2017 #133

You're wrong about that. byronius Jun 2017 #150

I read that as "Russian hookers." Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2017 #8

Was there really ever any doubt? hamsterjill Jun 2017 #9

Agree aka-chmeee Jun 2017 #22

And I agree totally and completely with you. hamsterjill Jun 2017 #24

i also bluestarone Jun 2017 #60

Totally agree with your statement. LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #81

You want the truth? You can't even SEE the truth. wildeyed Jun 2017 #117

There's truth to your statement. hamsterjill Jun 2017 #125

+ 1000 Achilleaze Jun 2017 #126

Here in Michigan, he "won" by 10,700 votes out of 4,977,000. All they'd have to do is flip a few catbyte Jun 2017 #10

that's right. barbtries Jun 2017 #11

Add those few votes to a massive Bettie Jun 2017 #42

188,000 voters were thrown off the rolls in the months prior to the election by GOP catbyte Jun 2017 #82

Neither will I Bettie Jun 2017 #85

Then to make it all the more suspect, the recount started going Clinton's way. 45*'s catbyte Jun 2017 #143

How many machines were there in Detroit that weren't working right? csziggy Jun 2017 #68

And even with that, 45* was losing a significant number of votes in the recount, so naturally catbyte Jun 2017 #144

russians and republicans f*cking over America Achilleaze Jun 2017 #12

Agreed Pinkflamingo Jun 2017 #180

Kick BadgerMom Jun 2017 #13

Why does this not surprise me? yuiyoshida Jun 2017 #14

K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Jun 2017 #16

PLUS voter suppression. CHEATING pansypoo53219 Jun 2017 #17

MARCHES OF MILLIONS IN THE STREETS!! LAWSUIT ELECTION TAMPERING! SPECIAL ELECTION NEW PRES!! trueblue2007 Jun 2017 #18

Can't Be Me. Jun 2017 #19

That's the media storyline, lapucelle Jun 2017 #106

I've said this. Control-Z Jun 2017 #141

Kicking above all the Sessions threads. nolabear Jun 2017 #20

What are we going to do about it? classykaren Jun 2017 #21

I'll repeat this, over and over again.... Teacheral Jun 2017 #23

be sure to include "hand counted" paper ballots!! diva77 Jun 2017 #128

How? Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #26

Right, Because The Evidence Is So Easy To Find SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 #30

At least a plausible theory then Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #40

I checked with voter protection groups in my state about vote flipping and voter rolls. wildeyed Jun 2017 #96

Exactly. Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #156

With some crimes you don't have a dead body lying on the floor in a pool of blood. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #35

Ahh, so it's the mythical perpetual excuse for losing so you never have to look past it Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #44

you can't say how it was done you cant show any evidence it was done but are sure it was done bluestarone Jun 2017 #64

I'm saying that if you can't even come up with a valid theory of how it was done Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #69

and i'm saying bluestarone Jun 2017 #73

There's actual proof, and stopping the recount isn't proof of much more than obstructing recounting. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #71

You ignore the harsh evidenciary reality to your own detriment. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #70

You mean like stealing an election with voter supression and weaponized propoganda? wildeyed Jun 2017 #94

That way and every other way imaginable, shaving points at every turn, plus L. Coyote Jun 2017 #145

That's a real thing at least Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #157

One way is to simply remove Democrats from voter rolls. tinrobot Jun 2017 #120

But if tens of thousands of democrats were suddenly missing from the rolls Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #158

Of course. We have to go "there" . It was stolen. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #27

I 100% Agree! SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 #28

I remember when even longtime DUers Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #32

I wonder what they think at Jack Pine Radicals? I wonder if they accept Russia-gate or see it StevieM Jun 2017 #67

They would have been in line right behind the Republicans then! L. Coyote Jun 2017 #34

I Think Detroit Is Ground Zero DallasNE Jun 2017 #37

Don't forget over 90 missing/"lost" Bettie Jun 2017 #43

Those ruskies were slick for sure MichMan Jun 2017 #72

Thank you for this. nt knr LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #39

...aaaannndd the republicans said.... lindysalsagal Jun 2017 #45

A reminder: mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2017 #46

He Has Also Predicted Me. Jun 2017 #48

... which I find more palatable. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2017 #49

Too bad it will take so long for impeachment Pinkflamingo Jun 2017 #183

Let's just re-count all of the ballots! Thunderbeast Jun 2017 #52

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Dunno exactly how the system works in Oregon, wildeyed Jun 2017 #101

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I'm assuming there is some fail-safe built into the system. wildeyed Jun 2017 #107

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There is a paper trail on the touch screen machines I vote on. wildeyed Jun 2017 #122

paper receipts will never see the light of day 99.9999% of the time, so they are useless. TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #152

they didn't have to fuck with the votes mercuryblues Jun 2017 #57

Voter ID laws are not the same as hacking the voting rolls. wildeyed Jun 2017 #109

If your ID mercuryblues Jun 2017 #121

Of course it happens mostly in Democratic areas. wildeyed Jun 2017 #130

This one is easy and I have said since the day after the election. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #59

I would have to bet that they DID. TryLogic Jun 2017 #61

I thought so, starting with election night. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #62

And after an opening title like that Lokilooney Jun 2017 #63

I don't like the election results, but that article sure hedges on what's in the title. Hoyt Jun 2017 #88

Of course they did. After going to the trouble of hacking in, why WOULDN'T Neema Jun 2017 #65

Don't forget the CONCERTED effort to discredit the exit poll data. usaf-vet Jun 2017 #66

yep; prior to 2000, elections polls had been very reliable, but all the sudden the talking TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #110

I am wondering if their first trial run took place in Kentucky in 2015. (eom) StevieM Jun 2017 #74

THIS is what stops me in my tracks ..... DK504 Jun 2017 #75

I fully bluestarone Jun 2017 #123

Marcon's victory in France may be in part because that nation relies on paper ballots... Rollo Jun 2017 #77

And because they don't have an EC. The EC makes hacking so much easier lunamagica Jun 2017 #127

Or it could be that Macron got more votes. wildeyed Jun 2017 #137

Huh? With electronic voting and/or an EC, even getting more votes doesn't always win. Rollo Jun 2017 #142

well, at least the french know for sure who got more votes, because they don't use hackable machines TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #153

Because elections were NEVER stolen when everyone had paper ballots. wildeyed Jun 2017 #169

no, but OBVIOUSLY the magnitude of tampering by hand is far less than that which can be achieved thr TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #187

It is not obvious at all. wildeyed Jun 2017 #191

K&R Solly Mack Jun 2017 #79

This hardly surprises me....... LongTomH Jun 2017 #80

Thanks, BabSis, for another incisive commentary by Chaz Pierce Hekate Jun 2017 #86

BabSis ROCKS! Pinkflamingo Jun 2017 #181

Which states declined to cooperate fully with DHS, other than GA? wildeyed Jun 2017 #89

k&r n/t lordsummerisle Jun 2017 #90

I have thought this since the day after the election. SweetieD Jun 2017 #92

They've known how easy it was to hack all that stuff for TWELVE YEARS Warpy Jun 2017 #108

16. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #113

Backdoors were programed into the voting machines and tabulators Botany Jun 2017 #165

K&R Scurrilous Jun 2017 #134

Wouldn't it be great if there were a recount in, say, Wisconsin, done mostly by hand? BzaDem Jun 2017 #135

Ah, 'cost/benefit'. byronius Jun 2017 #151

was that a comprehensive, state-wide hand recount of every single ballot? oh wait... NO. TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #154

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #138

Is English your second language? fleabiscuit Jun 2017 #139

Well, mission accomplished. Just the mere question of vote legitimacy YOHABLO Jun 2017 #149

The Gov will "protect" us from the truth get the red out Jun 2017 #155

Maybe they hacked his way through the primaries also JDC Jun 2017 #159

Get the logs for the servers where the vote tally takes place Rene Jun 2017 #160

We already know the election was illegitimate. Nitram Jun 2017 #161

What Happens if this is proven itcfish Jun 2017 #163

We will place sanctions on Russia...or something. jmg257 Jun 2017 #164

Probably itcfish Jun 2017 #179

Now here we go!...sanctions on Russia! jmg257 Jun 2017 #184

Control of, by, and for the 1% Trillo Jun 2017 #171

They think the American public CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH. ElementaryPenguin Jun 2017 #172

K&R ck4829 Jun 2017 #175

Lies are allowed to storm, but truth has to trickle. dchill Jun 2017 #176

And the red state demand for Diebold machines. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2017 #182

'Reducing costs.' byronius Jun 2017 #198

Yeah we're getting reaped alright. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2017 #203

KICK! for more eyes.. furtheradu Jun 2017 #201

Yes, a thread like this should be pinned for awhile for maximum exposure. R B Garr Jun 2017 #204

ABSOLUTELY. furtheradu Jun 2017 #205

I think it might be more of an Admin function R B Garr Jun 2017 #207

I agree! furtheradu Jun 2017 #210

Thanks again! Question, please? furtheradu Jun 2017 #211