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The Velveteen Ocelot

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47. Louise Mensch doesn't know what she's talking about - again.

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 04:37 PM

Jun 2017

Even assuming all of this is true about Pence and Ryan - if a president leaves office for any reason, the VP becomes president, and that new president now is required to appoint a new vice-president. So if Trump goes down Pence becomes president and he appoints a VP. While that person has to be confirmed by the Senate, keep in mind who controls the Senate. So then say Pence gets impeached and removed - the new president, Pence's VP, also appoints a new VP. Ryan never gets to be president, and neither does Hatch, unless one of them is appointed as VP by Trump or Pence.

The only way Ryan would get to be president via the succession order is if Trump and Pence were impeached and removed from office simultaneously, before either could appoint another VP. The only way Hatch gets to be president via the succession order is if Trump, Pence and Ryan are impeached and then removed from office simultaneously, which will not happen.

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"But, but if we Get Rid of Trump, we'll End Up with Pence" [View all] Doug the Dem Jun 2017 OP

Those are all good points....... CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2017 #1

This. retrowire Jun 2017 #29

You are mistaken about succession. This is an astoundingly common error. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #36

Thank you for the information! In this case, I am glad to be wrong. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2017 #59

Simultaneous conviction not required. thesquanderer Jun 2017 #60

Good points. I think that Congress might rush a VP confirmation rather than a forced Ryan ascension Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #91

Thanks wryter2000 Jun 2017 #80

"Ryan is Third in Line for thr Presidency" Doug the Dem Jun 2017 #116

Exactly! In a way, that's even scarier lunamagica Jun 2017 #68

They are ALREADY doing things "stealthily and without fanfare" pnwmom Jun 2017 #69

Neither Pence nor Ryan are idiots or loose cannons whathehell Jun 2017 #110

Sane and Predictable...just a ruthless, dangerously misogynistic theocrat hlthe2b Jun 2017 #2

"....just a ruthless, dangerously misogynistic theocrat.." pangaia Jun 2017 #30

No... because Trump's narcissism is the ONLY predictable thing about him. hlthe2b Jun 2017 #35

Pence is also...... SergeStorms Jun 2017 #52

So was George W* hlthe2b Jun 2017 #58

I think he just rode that horse. annabanana Jun 2017 #72

No. Not capable of "putting country first" UNLESS you define "country" as... TygrBright Jun 2017 #79

I mean in terms of catastrophic destructive acts--nuclear war. hlthe2b Jun 2017 #83

You think he's incapable of kicking off the End Times by provoking a nuke incident? TygrBright Jun 2017 #84

Incapable no, as nearly happened by accident under at least one Democratic Pres. hlthe2b Jun 2017 #85

Preach! NightWatcher Jun 2017 #3

Pence is ideologically terrible, but he's less likely to start a war The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author unblock Jun 2017 #10

But his behavior will also be less visible. pangaia Jun 2017 #31

Sorry, but must disagree strongly. zentrum Jun 2017 #88

Pence would be far less chaotic, allowing a lot more to get done as far as implementing a Amaryllis Jun 2017 #111

Yes, that's my point. Might be zentrum Jun 2017 #115

The possibility of Trump starting a diversionary war scares me more than anything flibbitygiblets Jun 2017 #98

Maybe not. He might be looking at the same fate as Trump. procon Jun 2017 #5

doesn't much matter in the sense that no matter what, a republican will still be president unblock Jun 2017 #11

Actually, it matters a great deal. procon Jun 2017 #24

fair point, though i'd say we get 90% of the benefit from successfully forcing donnie out unblock Jun 2017 #28

What would have happened if Ford had not issued the pardon exboyfil Jun 2017 #43

hard to say. he certainly took a hit for that decision; on the other hand, unblock Jun 2017 #71

I guess it is the lesser of two evils. But in this case , both are evil to the same degree. SummerSnow Jun 2017 #6

cheato hides behind a religion he doesnt even believe in. mopinko Jun 2017 #55

Disagree. If Trump is so tained he is forced out, they all are. They're all complicit and unfit to WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2017 #7

I think you miss your own point. Trump is tainted, and so is everyone else. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2017 #14

agreed NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #44

Mike Pence is probably very very dangerous. That said, there are no real downsides to getting rid JCanete Jun 2017 #8

re: "no real downsides to getting rid of Trump" thesquanderer Jun 2017 #63

that's fair. In some ways I would rather have a Trump than a Pence. I just think under the JCanete Jun 2017 #74

He also totally lacks charisma and is widely recognized as extreme in his views. athena Jun 2017 #9

Trump has that smarmy con-man charisma NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #45

Guilty as charged. Missn-Hitch Jun 2017 #12

Pence would be terrible but a) far less volatile than Trump and b) heavily tainted due to Trump. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2017 #13

He is NOT sane. He's no better than the Taliban. ImpeachTheGOP Jun 2017 #15

I agree. N/t spooky3 Jun 2017 #65

Pence is going to go down too. Catmusicfan Jun 2017 #16

No wonder he hired a lawyer. he knows. SummerSnow Jun 2017 #66

Let's get Trump out of the Oval Office first gratuitous Jun 2017 #17

the administration will be totally crippled. unable to pass anything....as it is now spanone Jun 2017 #18

Trump is going to be the most BootinUp Jun 2017 #19

Disagree hibbing Jun 2017 #70

Pence may not be the lesser of 2 evils, but he is the lesser of 2 crazies..... FM123 Jun 2017 #20

Thank you.. I get tired of that line myself nini Jun 2017 #21

A bit more... Xolodno Jun 2017 #22

I second this opinion. Shell_Seas Jun 2017 #23

Uphold the law. More worried about Lyin' Ryan onit2day Jun 2017 #25

Pence is a true believer, which makes him dangerous IMO MariaCSR Jun 2017 #26

Pence is a rabid Dominionist theocratic fascist..... magicarpet Jun 2017 #100

Pence is on the skids too. Turbineguy Jun 2017 #27

I think that Pence is more dangerous than Dolt 45*. catbyte Jun 2017 #32

this. Joe941 Jun 2017 #42

This. Neema Jun 2017 #106

dems have No power to get rid of trump. repubs will have to do that nt msongs Jun 2017 #33

Impeachment should be about the rule of law ThoughtCriminal Jun 2017 #34

+1,000,000 right here folks. Lucky Luciano Jun 2017 #62

Most Definitely Martin Eden Jun 2017 #96

Louise Mensch has reported that Orrin Hatch is next in line Not Ruth Jun 2017 #37

Mensch has had a few scoops NewJeffCT Jun 2017 #46

Louise Mensch doesn't know what she's talking about - again. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #47

"Designated survivor" is not the same as "designated successor." TygrBright Jun 2017 #81

The only way Hatch becomes #46...... magicarpet Jun 2017 #104

If I'm going to fantasize, Neema Jun 2017 #107

Sane enough to actually enact policy, and that's what scares me. tinrobot Jun 2017 #38

Pence will be on a VERY SHORT LEASH. vkkv Jun 2017 #39

Pence COULD RESIGN BEFORE TRUMP does or is IMPEACHED. vkkv Jun 2017 #40

Dominos fall one at a time. Just saying. MoonRiver Jun 2017 #41

And Ryan wouldn't have a chance to be president....he shunned it for weeks!! onecent Jun 2017 #48

Ryan would not accept appointment as VP by Trump or Pence. Ryan wants to be Reagan in 2024 Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #86

Good. Thanks for the info! onecent Jun 2017 #87

I don't buy this argument. drray23 Jun 2017 #49

Sorry - I WANT SOCIOPATHS TO BE AS INEPT AS POSSIBLE - period Steven Maurer Jun 2017 #50

This. You put it way more succinctly than I did. Thanks. n/t TygrBright Jun 2017 #82

Yes, I agree. Pence is very cold and efficient. Not as unpredictable but just as Neema Jun 2017 #108

They are all guilty of collusion and treason, per se, so take them down one at a time. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #51

Ya gotta point Moral Compass Jun 2017 #53

Yep. While Pence would be a horror... regnaD kciN Jun 2017 #54

Based off of Pence's religiosity, I could hardly call him sane, but he's not a complete lunatic. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #56

I agree! get the red out Jun 2017 #57

Rumors and leaks on Twitter say Gman Jun 2017 #61

at this point i would even welcome GW Bush! samnsara Jun 2017 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author madinmaryland Jun 2017 #73

we need to just take this step wise. the dumpster MUST go. then we will worry about what NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #67

Pence at least pretends to respect our laws. Progressive dog Jun 2017 #75

Pence would ditch Bannon, though. flying_wahini Jun 2017 #76

Pence IS the Christian Right, Opus Dei version. They'll LOOOOOVE him. TygrBright Jun 2017 #78

No, he is NOT sane. TygrBright Jun 2017 #77

Al Franken says Pence is worse zentrum Jun 2017 #89

We don't know if he is involved in Trump's crimes. alfredo Jun 2017 #90

Recced this so hard. It's so damn dumb. kcr Jun 2017 #92

was leadership Republicans plan all along," ignore trump, keep him busy" "worse case is Pence is in" Sunlei Jun 2017 #93

Pence is more like Greg Stilson than Trump virtualobserver Jun 2017 #94

Trump is literally a traitor. backscatter712 Jun 2017 #95

I agree with you! Also it drives me nuts people saying that. It's like they want to stop us from Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #97

If he's really sane, why is he Trump's VP? ecstatic Jun 2017 #99

Yes. But at least he has a dog. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2017 #101

Just because Pence is quieter than blustery Dump, he is dangerously worse! bresue Jun 2017 #102

Pence would pardon Dump SHRED Jun 2017 #103

I cannot agree that he's entirely sane. A man who supposedly fervently follows Christ while also Neema Jun 2017 #105

But all the Repukes in Congress would probably support Pence. El Supremo Jun 2017 #109

I've said it before ... Whiskeytide Jun 2017 #112

Pence is a religious Bigot as is Trump yuiyoshida Jun 2017 #113

Spiro Agnew was supposed to provide impeachment cover for Nixon thucythucy Jun 2017 #114

"We may lose all our rights, but at least a nuke won't fry us!" RhodeIslandOne Jun 2017 #117

Was Pence not the architect of New Orleans neocon Bush revolution applegrove Jun 2017 #118

Pence is a monster who wants to take away my rights. He can fuck off. DemocraticWing Jun 2017 #119

mikey APPEARS sane, but his misogyny, homophobia, bigotry, religious zealotry, etc., make niyad Jun 2017 #120