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SaschaHM

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86. Really?

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 07:19 PM

Jun 2017

Given how folks are reacting to this, or how folks responded to the addition of black and brown stripes to the pride flag, I think they picked the perfect place. The reactions here are already exposing long ignored blindspots when it comes to the LGBTQ movement and it's PoC members.

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BLM shuts down gay pride parade in Seattle [View all] LittleBlue Jun 2017 OP

your title is misleading OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #1

Q13 has been around since way before Faux Noise LittleBlue Jun 2017 #2

A 30 minute interruption OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #5

It truly Delphinus Jun 2017 #22

thank you OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #24

Even more, we need tolerance and acceptance when Hortensis Jun 2017 #37

And many groups who identify as "liberal"... The Polack MSgt Jun 2017 #103

Yes, "how about." But political labels are frequently inaccurate, Hortensis Jun 2017 #116

+1 nt NCTraveler Jun 2017 #70

exactly.. we need to stay on the SAME SIDE!!! samnsara Jun 2017 #126

Check out the human chain guarding them OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #11

Still title is misleading although a good attention getter. OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #25

A misleading title is not "a good attention getter." It's bullshit and not for DU... Hekate Jun 2017 #89

Googled BLM "gay parade" shut down OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #3

No idea LittleBlue Jun 2017 #4

It's the rainbows 🌈, nobody likes them. Agschmid Jun 2017 #6

. . . janx Jun 2017 #18

Because there is no fucking pot of gold. Just an elf who looks like Jeff Sessions. n/t rzemanfl Jun 2017 #76

Lol. Agschmid Jun 2017 #99

They want the spotlight on their issue NobodyHere Jun 2017 #7

They are being murdered by police, OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #10

And LGBT are just living perfect lives with no issues at all? NobodyHere Jun 2017 #12

Black LGBTQ folks exist. SaschaHM Jun 2017 #35

Guess what, black LGBTQ folks can attend two fucking events, then. X_Digger Jun 2017 #65

SO Pride is still only for white gays. Glad to see you confirm that. Welcome to my ignore list. SaschaHM Jun 2017 #85

SO you still beat your dog? X_Digger Jun 2017 #88

So does the LGBT community, and liberalhistorian Jun 2017 #105

Maybe BLM coordinated with parade sponsors OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #8

Same here joeybee12 Jun 2017 #54

Same thought. BLM controls a lot of land in the Northwest. I thought - monument? Shrike47 Jun 2017 #84

I must confess customerserviceguy Jun 2017 #108

No they did not Coordinate with Heritage of Pride. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #137

Perhaps BLM feels OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #13

I don't understand it, either, liberalhistorian Jun 2017 #104

Why shut down the Gay parades??? Because there is an audience. Raster Jun 2017 #130

Yeah, that'd go over like diarrhea in the hot tub. And they know it, but won't admit it. n/t X_Digger Jun 2017 #163

And all they did was piss a lot of people off yesterday. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #138

DC was not BLM it was a local group FreeState Jun 2017 #171

Wasn't it in Seattle the BLM big mouths shut down a Bernie rally? Archae Jun 2017 #9

where is your compassion? OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #14

Oh I get it. Sarcasm. Kingofalldems Jun 2017 #87

Pro-Social Security rally in which Bernie was invited to speak. SMC22307 Jun 2017 #23

You guys are so transparent now La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #46

You missed the DU poster comparing them to dogs. SaschaHM Jun 2017 #51

Literally not surprised. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #53

That was not a Bernie rally, although he was there. LisaM Jun 2017 #101

I would take a cue from Bernie on how to discuss that... JCanete Jun 2017 #120

Arrogant and selfish. Behind the Aegis Jun 2017 #15

probably far more complicated than that. Black lgbqt feel discriminated agaist and or relegated to JCanete Jun 2017 #20

But that is not WHY they distrubed the pride parade. Behind the Aegis Jun 2017 #39

Agreed fallout87 Jun 2017 #173

This Right Here LovingA2andMI Jun 2017 #40

Divide and Conquer NOT THIS TIME AROUND OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #26

If that were true, or how THEY saw it... Behind the Aegis Jun 2017 #38

Not true OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #57

When they disrupt a Women's March or a Palestinian "Justice" march, then I will believe it. Behind the Aegis Jun 2017 #94

they have been protesting and speaking out at some of the women's marches and other JI7 Jun 2017 #107

Protesting? Disrupting? If so, I haven't seen it. Behind the Aegis Jun 2017 #111

i have mostly seen criticisms but there also aren't many organized or planned women's marches JI7 Jun 2017 #112

I wholeheartedly agree. Raster Jun 2017 #131

Yes it is. cwydro Jun 2017 #30

Because blacks are not gay? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #45

Last I checked, there were plenty of people of color in any Pride parade I've attended. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2017 #80

Because the parade has become a celebration not a protest La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #127

That's you and that's how you look at it. Raster Jun 2017 #133

Or is it an example of the rights of others being MORE important. Behind the Aegis Jun 2017 #93

No. An example of a marginalized group standing up for themselves. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #123

yes, on the backs of someone else. Raster Jun 2017 #134

Privileged people don't get a pity party when someone calls them out. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #157

Yup dbackjon Jun 2017 #152

Get your own goddamned parade. n/t X_Digger Jun 2017 #16

Or at least coordinate with the organizers NobodyHere Jun 2017 #17

Maybe they did OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #27

great messaging. Everybody is in it for themselves. I'm not advocating the disruption, though at JCanete Jun 2017 #21

Agree 100% OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #28

I could be wrong OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #29

I'm sure some in the movement's leadership have been very smart about how to remember other JCanete Jun 2017 #33

I think you're wrong NobodyHere Jun 2017 #102

Go have an LGBT equality protest at a BLM event, see how that shit works on the other foot. X_Digger Jun 2017 #49

So Pride is just a celebration of the issues affecting white gays, got it. SaschaHM Jun 2017 #56

Nice straw man argument. X_Digger Jun 2017 #61

Exactly. cwydro Jun 2017 #96

can't be bothered to set up their own events? BLM are lazy? Is that what you are suggesting? WTF? JCanete Jun 2017 #117

Git Gud. Organizing an effective protest takes work. Punching down on another community is shitty.nt X_Digger Jun 2017 #162

the assumption that this is punching down is silly. Pride actually has a lot of money that goes into JCanete Jun 2017 #164

You know, it's not been that long since it was goddamned illegal to be gay. X_Digger Jun 2017 #166

play what shit? I have no disagreement with your statement. What did I say that was actually JCanete Jun 2017 #168

Was the parade inclusive? Dr. Strange Jun 2017 #78

That is not the Pride parade. Bloody Splitters. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2017 #82

NO JI7 Jun 2017 #118

It's a GAY PRIDE parade. It is their parade. That's the point. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #124

Correct, it was not a BLM parade. n/t X_Digger Jun 2017 #165

Invite BLM to march in the parade as well, as long as it is peaceful. roamer65 Jun 2017 #19

⬆️ this!!! OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #32

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #31

As a LGBTQ PoC, I can understand the grievances w/ the mainstream lgbtq movement SaschaHM Jun 2017 #34

Yup La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #48

There can be more unity OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #60

BLM seems to focus on soft targets Zorro Jun 2017 #36

Good point. cwydro Jun 2017 #43

Or they'd get killed. They show up among people who should be allies La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #44

MLK did not confine the marches he led to friendly environments Zorro Jun 2017 #55

Lol every black leader doesn't have to be mlk or use his tactics La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #73

Who said MLK's methods didn't piss off white people? Zorro Jun 2017 #75

I don't think anyone could explain just what the hell happened in Toronto Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #41

Is that when they shut down Toronto's gay pride parade hughee99 Jun 2017 #47

That was just the begining... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #52

All pride parades are actually protests La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #42

Only this year have they become political again joeybee12 Jun 2017 #58

Dunno nyc seemed a party to me La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #64

Didn't go to any this year joeybee12 Jun 2017 #66

It's almost like police violence only matters when it's against white gays.... SaschaHM Jun 2017 #59

Yup La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #63

I'm sorry; I'm not buying that. cwydro Jun 2017 #62

Why? janx Jun 2017 #50

Did a 30-minute vigil shut down the whole parade? Buns_of_Fire Jun 2017 #67

Exactly. RIP Charleena Lyles. Shot to death by police R B Garr Jun 2017 #71

You're missing the lens of racism to view this thing La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #72

So all of the people inconvenienced were white? melman Jun 2017 #74

No I'm saying those are the ones who are complaining La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #79

But LLP, in your reply #64 you said that the NYC Gay Pride parade seemed like a party. janx Jun 2017 #81

Also people pretend that there isn't a lot of waiting around anyway La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #90

We are in the same coalition despite our differences marylandblue Jun 2017 #68

They're picking the wrong targets for their protest. George II Jun 2017 #69

You are spot on. I don't understand why people who should be smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #83

Really? SaschaHM Jun 2017 #86

Progressives fighting against each is the right wing wet dream. Conservatives are smiling today. TeamPooka Jun 2017 #77

Exactly customerserviceguy Jun 2017 #109

Then it seems to me the solution is simple. Don't do it. kcr Jun 2017 #132

What a monumentally divisive thread. When I turn on the news tonight will I see it's "everywhere"? Hekate Jun 2017 #91

They temporarily stopped the parade as a legitimate act of protest. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #92

There was definitely a protest against the parade itself oberliner Jun 2017 #121

OK. Didn't know that. Can understand that, though. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #143

GOAL has been marching for decades in uniform and it has never been a problem before. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #146

I totally get that goal. I also totally get why people are angry at the police, and fearful of them JCanete Jun 2017 #147

Tension with the police is always going to be an issue. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #148

It's a bad tactic. Appalling is what is happening to black people at the hands of police. JCanete Jun 2017 #149

Yes GOAL and BLM should meet. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #150

It happened in Toronto last year as well. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #154

I am sorry but we are not going to exclude gay cops and they will March in uniform. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #155

If I might ask, why does it have to be in uniform? Ken Burch Jun 2017 #156

Because it is the office they hold. They March in uniform in every parade here. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #160

They stopped the parade in NYC. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #145

I haven't heard people here in Seattle raging about this. nolabear Jun 2017 #95

Then BLM should march in solidarity with the organized march instead of disrupting it Zorro Jun 2017 #97

I honestly know nothing of this current event Not Ruth Jun 2017 #98

Is this the statement? Not Ruth Jun 2017 #100

there is a lot of misleading stuff on this. they did not shut it down. there are many articles JI7 Jun 2017 #106

I had a feeling that when the truth came out about this, that is what it would sound like. stevenleser Jun 2017 #113

Thank you for the info. Maybe OP will be edited, maybe not but you know what? JHan Jun 2017 #115

I'm a white gay man and I'm glad they did it. DemocraticWing Jun 2017 #110

You don't think police forces ought to be allowed to participate? oberliner Jun 2017 #122

There's a long and brutal history that gets pinkwashed. SaschaHM Jun 2017 #142

..... La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #125

I am a white gay guy and I completely agree with everything you wrote. m-lekktor Jun 2017 #129

I find the divisions on BLM support to be similar as it was during the primaries. Almost same folks stevenleser Jun 2017 #151

Wait, capitalism is now a crime? Who knew! X_Digger Jun 2017 #167

Hear hear! MariaCSR Jun 2017 #170

Clearly evidence that this divide and conquer strategy is absolutely working Tiggeroshii Jun 2017 #114

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #119

weird - it is not a matter of either/or treestar Jun 2017 #128

what they did in NYC yesterday was totally uncalled for. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #135

Flamebaiting bullshit tenderfoot Jun 2017 #136

The protest happened in NYC. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #139

They marched to protest police shootings and resulting acquittals tenderfoot Jun 2017 #140

The protestors blocked GOAL and wanted them booted from the parade. Do you know who GOAL is? hrmjustin Jun 2017 #141

I am shocked at the Racists post here Rustyeye77 Jun 2017 #144

One can support BLM, but not support every single action they do dbackjon Jun 2017 #153

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #158

If saying this was a bad way to protest is racist Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #159

Honestly romanic Jun 2017 #161

White, straight southern old guy calling in. PurgedVoter Jun 2017 #169

Way to piss off your allies BLM. n/t FreeState Jun 2017 #172