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peggysue2

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66. So, are we . . .

Wed Jun 28, 2017, 08:51 AM

Jun 2017

to dump Elizabeth Warren for being from Massachusetts, affluent, not young (aka ancient) and culturally left-wing? Why not include Bernie Sanders in the mix? Because, after all, it has nothing to do with gender (wink, wink).

Why don't we stop playing the game that the Republicans are desperate to have us take up: demonize Democratic leadership and get on the Pelosi hate-wagon.

Enough already!

Btw, it would instructive to look at Nancy Pelosi's voting record and actual words when it comes where she stands on middle-class working Americans. And how she has fought (quite effectively) to push pro-worker, poor and middle-class policy packages in the House.

This constant haranguing on Nancy Pelosi is counterproductive. In her own words: she's worth the trouble. She's proven that point, again and again.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] geek tragedy Jun 2017 OP

Did you vote for Nancy Pelosi ? stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #1

So we're HELPING Zoonart Jun 2017 #10

This is a hit job on Nancy Pelosi, It's like the 5th op today telling us to hate Nancy Pelosi ! stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #22

Being trolled. Zoonart Jun 2017 #34

prolly russian/rwnj BOTS.. stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #38

Why would you have an OP that mouths GOP talking points? Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #63

What are the RW talking points i the OP? EL34x4 Jun 2017 #93

We are being concern-trolled about one of our BEST Dems, and those questions are not honest. Hekate Jun 2017 #199

It's a major right-wing meme that is also being Hortensis Jun 2017 #91

Enough already! secondwind Jun 2017 #185

I like Nancy Pelosi and I am in Illinois lunasun Jun 2017 #2

Absolutely Egnever Jun 2017 #3

How does Nancy Pelosi help the party appeal to left-behind populists geek tragedy Jun 2017 #4

I imagine you would have to identify what is important to people in those places Egnever Jun 2017 #6

voters in those places don't pay attention to legislative records or policy very much geek tragedy Jun 2017 #13

Then it doesn't make a shits bit of difference who Nancy or her mythical replacement is Egnever Jun 2017 #17

you don't think having someone who is (a) ancient and (b) representing geek tragedy Jun 2017 #29

So why is that her responsibility? It's never been the responsibility of a previous House Minority ehrnst Jun 2017 #52

Election performance has always been the main criteria they have been judged on - go look at the Midwestern Democrat Jun 2017 #179

So, are we . . . peggysue2 Jun 2017 #66

If we're talking about the Presidential nominee, Warren and Sanders are poor candidates imo. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #106

We are not talking . . . peggysue2 Jun 2017 #113

How exactly would Pelosi help get candidates over the line in competiive 2018 races? geek tragedy Jun 2017 #114

Ossoff . . . peggysue2 Jun 2017 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author Hekate Jun 2017 #200

"ancient" Skidmore Jun 2017 #146

I was 15 when Pelosi started serving in Congress. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #150

I get that literature too Skidmore Jun 2017 #152

experience is useful for governing, but a liablity in politics (in the USA anyways) geek tragedy Jun 2017 #155

I will take Sam Rayburns experience of 48 years any day as congressnab and Speaker of the House. Jim Beard Jun 2017 #166

So what did you think of people in those places who hated Obama? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #54

Exactly right! spooky3 Jun 2017 #184

Since when is it the job of the minority House leader to do that? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #50

Since there's been a Congress. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #108

So doesn't that make the DCCC redundant? ehrnst Jun 2017 #118

Why is that Pelosi's problem and not say, the Ohio Dem Party? Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #139

It's both. nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #188

Exurban Columbus is generally Romney Republicans spooky3 Jun 2017 #186

That's not the Speaker's or Minority Leader's job EffieBlack Jun 2017 #5

+10000. This OP is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of the minority leader. yardwork Jun 2017 #8

She also got a lot of other tough legislation through the House EffieBlack Jun 2017 #12

It is bullshit. Unmitigated. yardwork Jun 2017 #14

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #84

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #86

+1000. stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #23

Exactly! procon Jun 2017 #61

Thank you, and this is all coming from a spectacularly unsuccessful wing of the party, if you know.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #167

I responded to a post earlier today... NCTraveler Jun 2017 #7

it's not an attack (hello, I live in Brooklyn) it's political reality. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #15

It is a complete regurgitation of the liberal elitist meme. Nt NCTraveler Jun 2017 #18

It's more than a meme, it's a pretty widely held belief amongst the left-behinds. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #20

"Only one of those will win elections." NCTraveler Jun 2017 #28

I feel liberated to make these points, because I'm close to the stererotype of an urban elitist geek tragedy Jun 2017 #30

Also doesn't mean it is the end all be all as you are outlining. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #36

At some point, the Democratic Party has to switch back to evangelist mode and away geek tragedy Jun 2017 #37

Oh, no. It's the opposite. kcr Jun 2017 #60

Everyone who understands Obama-Trump voters raise your hand. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #107

Okay, so what are you willing to give up to appease them? haele Jun 2017 #44

+1 betsuni Jun 2017 #163

So did we "toss more gasoline that bomb" by re-electing Obama? ehrnst Jun 2017 #68

Obama overperformed with the left-behinds--much better than Clinton did. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #109

So... when did the discussion of Pelosi turn into a discussion of HRC? ehrnst Jun 2017 #121

Democrats are more of a coalition than a coherent political party when they win. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #125

So you're saying that there wasn't significant anger and dislike of Obama ehrnst Jun 2017 #127

sure, it's not the hardcore rightwing or alt-right we're chasing geek tragedy Jun 2017 #134

Um... were you around for the last 8 years? ehrnst Jun 2017 #162

What are you playing at here? Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #143

Here's the point: our House leadership (including but not limited to Pelosi) geek tragedy Jun 2017 #148

Okay, fine... Who should be leading then? Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #153

that's question House Dems need to ask in earnest before geek tragedy Jun 2017 #156

You must have SOME ideas, since you're so convinced Pelosi is the worst thing ever... Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #158

Removing Pelosi in the middle of the 2018 race (now!) Hortensis Jun 2017 #94

When party leadership is old and entrenched, they wind up being a political liablity geek tragedy Jun 2017 #103

Or so you imagine. You might want to learn more on the use Hortensis Jun 2017 #110

I'm interested in the answer to that as well. Apparently "not Pelosi" is as far as I can get out of ehrnst Jun 2017 #130

the House Minority leader's official job duties are pretty much meaningless. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #135

Oh, now she's irrelevant? Then what's your problem? Hortensis Jun 2017 #169

Worst of both worlds in terms of efficacy. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #171

Okay. Sorry for misunderstanding. Actually, though, Hortensis Jun 2017 #173

Being selected by her peers as Minority Leader isn't about her "swing district status" ehrnst Jun 2017 #129

Democrats place way too much weight on seniority when it comes to picking leaders. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #137

On what do you base your opinion that "experience is pretty goddamned worthless without a majority" ehrnst Jun 2017 #160

So name somebody to take over then, if you're so smart... Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #141

I'm in Virginia and Pelosi's name has never ever come up... Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #142

What Congressional District? nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #145

2nd (Scott Taylor-R) Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #149

That district has had a Democrat represent it once in the past 9 elections. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #151

Nye actually (like a fucking moron) tried to distance himself from Ocare Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #157

Cultural political polarization has nothing to do with gender- or SF liberals?!?!? bettyellen Jun 2017 #9

"San Francisco liberals" plays up both cultural and geographic resentments. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #11

San Francisco is a thriving beautiful city that still has a middle class and bettyellen Jun 2017 #16

Tired of all the winning? geek tragedy Jun 2017 #19

Tired of listening to Dems quote Trump and company without irony. Wow. bettyellen Jun 2017 #21

You think Tr*mp created the conditions that allowed him to 'win?' geek tragedy Jun 2017 #26

I think trite phrases like "tired of winning" don't help you sound serious. bettyellen Jun 2017 #31

It's also anti-gay sweetloukillbot Jun 2017 #81

I'm sorry? I think SF is pretty diverse but that's only my experience. bettyellen Jun 2017 #99

It is more diverse, but when Republicans say "San Francisco values" they mean teh gay sweetloukillbot Jun 2017 #100

Ohhhh, yeah of course! And LA is Sodom and Gomorrah bettyellen Jun 2017 #115

Yeah, and Obama played up cultural and geographical resentments. ehrnst Jun 2017 #57

23 replies, 201 views this i hate nancy OP'S are not going very well.... stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #24

What's with all the hit jobs on Nancy Pelosi today? Nonhlanhla Jun 2017 #25

Looks very orchestrated. bettyellen Jun 2017 #33

Meh. People are just trying to understand the loss leftstreet Jun 2017 #40

What time is it in Moscow? AngryAmish Jun 2017 #41

It's because Congressional Democrats are complaining out loud nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #48

Especially the ones who lost the leadership election to her.... (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #78

yes, but there are also some who voted for her in the last leadership geek tragedy Jun 2017 #104

My understanding of the job of the minority party house leader is ehrnst Jun 2017 #120

None of those functions are relevant, or particularly hard to accomplish. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #124

The functions of the DCCC? Not clear on what functions you are referring to. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #126

job #1 of the minoriyt party leaderhip is to not be a liability in close elections geek tragedy Jun 2017 #136

Still didn't answer the question. ehrnst Jun 2017 #164

Negotiating with majority, leading floor debate etc nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #170

Not relevant? Not hard to accomplish? ehrnst Jun 2017 #174

Pelosi was the incumbent. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #175

CA voters chose Pelosi lapucelle Jun 2017 #193

The procedural/governing skill set is a lot more relevant geek tragedy Jun 2017 #196

So it's the "has an apocryphal skill set" for some lapucelle Jun 2017 #198

Senate and House have radically different rules geek tragedy Jun 2017 #201

Yup La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #49

Um? They voted for an Urban Billionaire... Freethinker65 Jun 2017 #27

it also allows them to continually control the narrative. JHan Jun 2017 #32

The party deserpately needs fresh leadership (and fresh blood in general), BUT - Fait Accompli Jun 2017 #35

Yes, absolutely oberliner Jun 2017 #39

"urban millionaires" nini Jun 2017 #42

They will find reasons to hate ANYONE who successfully leads our party, pnwmom Jun 2017 #43

Exactly! peggysue2 Jun 2017 #128

Who would you suggest as a replacement? tinrobot Jun 2017 #45

Tim Ryan Kolesar Jun 2017 #133

Now, ask the same questions to Shuman.... bresue Jun 2017 #46

I don't vote depending on who is minority leader blueinredohio Jun 2017 #47

She's the only House Minority Leader that has ever been criticized for this. ehrnst Jun 2017 #51

While I agree with your positions on Nancy Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #112

OK. Thanks for the info - I stand corrected. ehrnst Jun 2017 #117

It's infuriating and frustrating for sure... Docreed2003 Jun 2017 #122

There's far more resistance to Pelosi w/in the D House caucus BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #53

What are the numbers on that? ehrnst Jun 2017 #55

63 people voted against her in Jan. BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #64

She has far less resistance than support, clearly - 134 support to 63 resistance. ehrnst Jun 2017 #67

Look at this thread BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #69

So you are getting your stats for all of DU from this thread? Faulty sampling. ehrnst Jun 2017 #73

Our seniority rules in the House are antiquated and that's on Pelosi BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #75

You mean the Pelosi that suggested that less experienced people should be encouraged? ehrnst Jun 2017 #80

Here's an article covering the Minority Leader vote KTM Jun 2017 #70

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #72

Are you comparing Pelosi to Conyers? ehrnst Jun 2017 #77

Did others in the past who didn't win the leadership position go out and trash the person who did? ehrnst Jun 2017 #74

Does she has to? It's up to her district to decide if she represents them ebbie15644 Jun 2017 #56

If she did relate to the"left-behinders" tazkcmo Jun 2017 #58

It's not her job to do those things. alarimer Jun 2017 #59

She does her job...in the House and yes it does relate to her gender. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #62

Good fucking grief! STOP IT! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #65

Did Nancy Pelosi helping insure 30 million Americans make you ask these questions? L. Coyote Jun 2017 #71

Nancy Pelosi is great & role model for girls delisen Jun 2017 #76

It is a right wing talking point that Democrats need rebranding. We don't. They need to stop LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #79

Nancy Pelosi was born and raised in Baltimore, MD BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #82

Fair questions loyalsister Jun 2017 #83

I'm not sure what Nancy Pelosi has to do with our problems here in Ohio Bradical79 Jun 2017 #85

What do you think? ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #87

She helps in NJ this year JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #88

Do you know what he means by "left behinds"? ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #90

I *think* JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #92

Ok that makes sense ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #97

Does Tim Ryan or somebody else? Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #89

So the Don the Con... Adrahil Jun 2017 #95

What about those wealthy Republicans? Why aren't they dragging down their party? jalan48 Jun 2017 #96

All the replies seem pretty emotional and illogical LittleBlue Jun 2017 #98

What do you mean by "embrace change" and "adopt new ways of thinking"? 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2017 #101

This is 86-proof bullshit hatrack Jun 2017 #102

Nonsense, if they are left behind kacekwl Jun 2017 #105

Who the hell can be the ONE person EVERY liberal will approve of? nini Jun 2017 #111

My Republican friends don't know much of anything Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #116

What makes you think Democrats don't call out the "fake news" bullshit? ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #132

None of that is her job, we'd have to purge all the women in leadership to make the GOP happy and bettyellen Jun 2017 #123

I do not understand these Pelosi questions...and enough!!! bresue Jun 2017 #131

Odd how I never heard people question where Ted Kennedy was from or his family money. tonyt53 Jun 2017 #138

Last I checked, Trump was an urban billionaire Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #140

Tr*mp speaks the language of uneducated white dumbasses nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #154

To do that, she would need to put on a hood Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #144

I'd have to see both the numbers and the analysis of those numbers LanternWaste Jun 2017 #147

One of the problems matt819 Jun 2017 #159

Nor do they relate to the job of Minority Leader BainsBane Jun 2017 #161

I LOVE THIS betsuni Jun 2017 #168

I think I'm in love with you ... EffieBlack Jun 2017 #194

San Francisco has its own health care and $15 minimum wage. Starry Messenger Jun 2017 #165

Good grief. She's from Baltimore's Little Italy... displacedtexan Jun 2017 #172

She was a fantastic Speaker. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #178

She is elected by her district treestar Jun 2017 #176

Nancy pelosi helps in way no one can see. Backroom Alice11111 Jun 2017 #177

There are no backroom negotiations for the geek tragedy Jun 2017 #180

Well what Democrat is doing the things you want Nancy Pelosi to be doing? Stargleamer Jun 2017 #181

People in rural Ohio appear to be fine voting for millionaires. gollygee Jun 2017 #182

you've really gone over the cliff with this one bigtree Jun 2017 #183

Can you name the last time a former Speaker geek tragedy Jun 2017 #190

They ALL relate to her gender if they are not questions that spooky3 Jun 2017 #187

I can't remember a Speaker who fought to remain geek tragedy Jun 2017 #192

Well, this I know, the "new blood" refused to go into Alice11111 Jun 2017 #189

Team Hillary was not 'new blood.' nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #191

Her JOB is to represent her district and to work with the Dems in Congress. pnwmom Jun 2017 #195

Is Nancy Pelosi running in Ohio or Michigan? Hekate Jun 2017 #197