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In reply to the discussion: Fuck You Jill Stein. [View all]

The Mouth

(3,332 posts)
70. OK, seriously
Mon Jul 3, 2017, 07:33 PM
Jul 2017

It was a campaign that spent unwisely and did not put the candidate in front of the crowds where she needed to be when she need to be there.

The two factors that the people running it should have foreseen, and that many did was that Trump has a high entertainment value, which equals eyeballs which equals money and that the Electoral College, not the public vote elects the President and thus should be the focus of where time and money is spent. There were key places where Trump spoke to crowds and Secretary Clinton did not, and there were issues near and dear to our Democratic Party base that were, and are, anathema to people in areas that needed to be won.

Spending more money for fewer electoral votes against an inexperienced, reprehensible blowhard with a massive record of lies and shocking statements is not worthy of emulation or admiration but instead of the most searching and brutal of post-mortem regardless of how unhappy anyone is or the insult they take from the results.

If I hear one more idiot whine about the Electoral College it will be one too many; if our candidate wins by 10 million votes in 2020 and gets 268 EC votes it's 'hello second term', and if we have a candidate that goes into areas where coal has been mined for generations, and people own and cherish guns and talk about how we've got to move beyond such things (no to argue about coal or guns but to give an example of how not to win hearts and minds) we'll be lucky to get even that. The EC is never going away, Russia and other nations are damned well going to try to mess with our elections next time and the Media is going to cover Herr Drumpf's each and every tweet, the omore outrageous the more coverage; if we want to win then those factors are the sort of thing that will need to be paid attention to, not merely that OUR candidate is highly competent and theirs is an ignorant buffoon.

There have been all kinds of excuses made over why Secretary Clinton, the best, most experienced, and qualified candidate since 1980 that we have run lost to a pussy grabbing doofus, every damned excuse except bad staff work, poor analytics and not getting the candidate speaking more and more often than the opposition.

Personally - when you outspend a blithering idiot of a man-child, don't get live in front of the people in crucial battleground districts, fail to greedily and systematically absorb to the greatest degree possible the supporters of your primary opponent and don't respond to attacks in a timeframe measured in seconds or minutes, that constitutes a 'genuinely shitty campaign'. Just my opinion and worth everything you paid for it.

cheers

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Fuck You Jill Stein. [View all] Stinky The Clown Jul 2017 OP
She gave up any right to criticize Trump when she helped him steal the presidency. Stinky The Clown Jul 2017 #1
Green Jill Stein & Republican Flynn dining with Authoritarian Putin in Moscow 2015 Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #12
We know Flynn was paid. Bet she was too. I wonder how $$ Alice11111 Jul 2017 #60
That really can't be said enough. NT Rorey Jul 2017 #2
Well said and too bad to any of her fans here. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #3
They prowl and lurk... no doubt. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #7
F*ck them, too. lastlib Jul 2017 #17
We lost those seats because of ObamaCare and assholes like you Jill who didn't understand how bettyellen Jul 2017 #4
Will the "attack against USA democracy investigation" ask why Stein went to the dinner in Russia? Sunlei Jul 2017 #5
I second that motion. 47of74 Jul 2017 #6
Yesterday's news... LakeArenal Jul 2017 #8
+1 PDittie Jul 2017 #18
Fuck Stein and all the fascist enablers who voted for her BainsBane Jul 2017 #9
What you said. calimary Jul 2017 #10
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jul 2017 #24
Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #11
Even broken clocks are correct twice a day Pachamama Jul 2017 #14
Nowhere in the seven word OP is the Green Party mentioned. OilemFirchen Jul 2017 #15
So if she was just an "ordinary" person, perhaps even a Democrat LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #19
+3 PDittie Jul 2017 #21
Did you approve of the campaign she ran? hrmjustin Jul 2017 #26
Because -Trump The Mouth Jul 2017 #33
"Yes, Hillary ran a genuinely shitty campaign" lapucelle Jul 2017 #58
Apologies The Mouth Jul 2017 #62
The media did a terrible job of covering her campaign. lapucelle Jul 2017 #64
No argument about that The Mouth Jul 2017 #65
I'm still not seeing "genuinely shitty" lapucelle Jul 2017 #67
Not going to argue The Mouth Jul 2017 #68
When one of the predicates of an argument lapucelle Jul 2017 #69
OK, seriously The Mouth Jul 2017 #70
I'll leave it to future historians to judge what happened this year. lapucelle Jul 2017 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author The Mouth Jul 2017 #72
Jill's an ordinary person the way arsenic is an ordinary mineral: very toxic to the body politic Hekate Jul 2017 #34
You are not convincing anyone with this argument. stevenleser Jul 2017 #35
She is NOT a Democratic JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #37
The green party goal is to help republicans win JI7 Jul 2017 #47
If she was a Democrat and not an evil Green rat, she would not be helping Trump steal Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #56
Fuck the Green Party too. we can do it Jul 2017 #49
Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #20
The green party is our competition and not our friend. hrmjustin Jul 2017 #25
+1000 JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #38
I call them the Barren Waste Party with the LIAR, stein, Cha Jul 2017 #50
The Green Party are economic libertarians that avoid eating red meat. tenderfoot Jul 2017 #28
The Greens make me want to throw up. Blue_true Jul 2017 #29
Allies???? atreides1 Jul 2017 #30
Well, LWolf Jul 2017 #32
She's yet another Pootie pal. lark Jul 2017 #13
seriously? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2017 #22
. RandySF Jul 2017 #31
Seriously? ProfessorGAC Jul 2017 #39
Perhaps because HRC was a SOS. Chevy Jul 2017 #42
Almost a nice try, but no. Stein regurgitated Russian agitprop against Hillary. stevenleser Jul 2017 #44
She Flynn and Putin...you don't get to sit next to Pootie without selling your soul or country Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #57
I heard Rosanne was going to run instead of Jill. I can't decide who would be worse. BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #16
Those that support them are worse. n/t Chevy Jul 2017 #43
What brought this on? As Ricky Ricardo would say, "Wa hoppened?" nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #23
LOL.... pangaia Jul 2017 #27
GREEN Party: Getting Republicans Elected Every November DinahMoeHum Jul 2017 #36
LOL, that's liberalhistorian Jul 2017 #41
Thank you. we can do it Jul 2017 #51
Vote green for Right Wing Alice11111 Jul 2017 #61
I respectfully, and liberalhistorian Jul 2017 #40
You got that right, Stinky. Amazes me that the obnoxious twit still has vocal fans here. Hekate Jul 2017 #45
She was on Alex Witt's noon show today Stinky The Clown Jul 2017 #46
Better.. Fuck the Fuck off, stein, you Fucked up Cha Jul 2017 #48
Isn't she the doctor that ran on the antivax The_Casual_Observer Jul 2017 #52
K&R louis c Jul 2017 #53
I grant no quarter to Jill XRubicon Jul 2017 #54
I second the fuck and raise you ten fucks. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #55
Not with mine please. n/t rzemanfl Jul 2017 #59
A vote for Stein was a vote for Trump Gothmog Jul 2017 #63
Yep. I would agree with that. AgadorSparticus Jul 2017 #66
With a cactus. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #73
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