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SunsetDreams

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36. Do you have any statistics
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:15 AM
Jul 2012

to back up your claim that cops do not respond to crime? I want to see numbers that report that most of the time or even close to most of the time they do not respond and I want to see it from a reputable source. Not just some thrown out there claim.

I don't care if you are not advocating a permanent situation without cops. You are advocating at the very least a temporary one, and that is MORE dangerous than what we have now. I think what you expected is "Yeah!!! Let's get rid of the cops" You clearly didn't think this one through. I get being angry at stories of police brutality, but it is unfair and wrongheaded to classify ALL cops with the bad apples. You can't, as one poster so succinctly put it, throw the baby out with the bathwater.

My answer to your question:

What you don't do is take the law into your own hands. What I would suggest is shine a light on it wherever it exists, call the media, write congress, make some damn noise, protest the brutality, but do it peacefully.

We have laws in this country, granted some of them are stupid and need to be overhauled or rid of, but we have a system of laws for a reason. We have a Government in place for a reason. The Government has made a lot of mistakes.. are you suggesting we throw that out and start new? Gawd I hope not, we have to work with what we have now and try and improve it.

Just because something is broken, doesn't mean you throw it in the trash. You repair it and hopefully with a little care it will work like brand new. Who knows maybe even better?

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Throwing the baby out with the bathwater never works Warpy Jul 2012 #1
This is the correct answer that everyone is overlooking. joshcryer Jul 2012 #25
You forgot the next step Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #37
Except that is exactly want is not wanted. Those people need not apply to the force. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2012 #48
I believe you just hit on the makings of a political cartoon's punchline. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #115
Before the police can be demilitarized we need to disband the DHS tk2kewl Jul 2012 #76
What would you suggest in the interim SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #2
I hate to break it to you but Zalatix Jul 2012 #3
You didn't answer my questions SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #5
Answers Zalatix Jul 2012 #7
Ah I see SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #11
Self-defense? Zalatix Jul 2012 #16
Oh so your answer is self defense? SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #20
When the cops turn on you or won't respond to crime, then what? What can we do then? Zalatix Jul 2012 #32
Do you have any statistics SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #36
Your answer points to solutions that have not worked. Zalatix Jul 2012 #39
More links and non answers SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #42
Your answers still point to solutions that have NOT worked. Zalatix Jul 2012 #50
Oh yeah SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #52
dude probably got busted with an eigth one time and has a grudge, leave him alone. dionysus Jul 2012 #58
Really, do you have proof of this, or are you just engaging in childish trolling? Zalatix Jul 2012 #74
i'm sorry. was it a quarter? dionysus Jul 2012 #88
Figures. When you can't win an argument, just make up lies. Zalatix Jul 2012 #93
sorry, but you'd have to be smoking some dank-ass chronic to come up with the "argument" in the OP. dionysus Jul 2012 #98
And what excuse do you have for your childish responses? Zalatix Jul 2012 #102
Maybe MS13 can help them to get their drugs home in a safe manner. nt NCTraveler Jul 2012 #106
. dionysus Jul 2012 #107
Looks like they already helped you. Zalatix Jul 2012 #111
Ok... that was just funny. LanternWaste Jul 2012 #97
Him and about 10 million others in the past couple of decades. That's a lot of grudges. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #139
Immediate self-defense has ALWAYS been the job of the victim. PavePusher Jul 2012 #105
Good point SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #113
I've been stopped for speeding a couple of times treestar Jul 2012 #151
Sorry ... But your explanations are simplistic and unfounded .... Trajan Jul 2012 #64
Must be something in the Los Angeles drinking water then: coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #68
Now now, the LAPD is under civilian control. remember! Zalatix Jul 2012 #80
I've been a practicing attorney for 23 years COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #135
Your experience and opinion should carry more weight on the subject. randome Jul 2012 #137
and drunks driving everywhere. dionysus Jul 2012 #56
If you can't SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #59
One step up? permatex Jul 2012 #4
Definitely get rid of the all the military toys and uniforms they have acquired. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #8
I am open to any reasonable suggestion permatex Jul 2012 #13
I know, I agree that we read of horrible abuses by the police far too often sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #26
If there were an appreciable percentage of "good ones", we'd have significantly less issues TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #44
+1000 SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #14
few things sabbat hunter Jul 2012 #118
A few things.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #125
I was just kinda ranting, permatex Jul 2012 #127
Oh, I agree completely. And I sometimes wish for instant, broad "solutions" as well. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #131
I worked with Phoenix Police and neighboring agencies also in my job capacity permatex Jul 2012 #134
So what happens in between disbanding the old system and reconstructing the new system? limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #6
Bad things. But not as bad as what we're heading for with the status quo. Zalatix Jul 2012 #9
Um...build the new cops first, then disband the old cops after the new cops are ready. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #10
Ah, yes Zalatix Jul 2012 #18
seriously sabbat hunter Jul 2012 #119
Point taken. Zalatix Jul 2012 #121
you are nuts sabbat hunter Jul 2012 #142
You are foolish Zalatix Jul 2012 #144
Don't forget SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #145
Awesome! And we can pay the new guys minimum wage! intheflow Jul 2012 #12
It may seem that I'm anti police permatex Jul 2012 #15
If it's nation wide Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #38
Cops are being busted down to minimum wage right now. Zalatix Jul 2012 #17
Duh. That was the source of my sarcasm. n/t intheflow Jul 2012 #35
Yeah, because the national police system has worked out well for Venezuela... joshcryer Jul 2012 #19
Works just fine here (the UK) Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #22
I wouldn't call a police surveillance state "just fine." joshcryer Jul 2012 #23
That's an exageration Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #28
Sorry, we Americans are much better qualified than you to be the judge of that. randome Jul 2012 #70
Works fine for you? Would it be safe for tourists to visit the Belfast murals tomorrow? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #27
Very probably Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #31
Who's advocating that? Zalatix Jul 2012 #40
I think that goes too far Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #21
I miss the UNREC button. n/t zappaman Jul 2012 #24
+1 Quantess Jul 2012 #33
It's there. You just can't see it because there's something in your eye. randome Jul 2012 #72
Demilitarizing them would be a start and removing a curriculum that... Historic NY Jul 2012 #30
What nonsense. aquart Jul 2012 #34
many of them from the same posters. cali Jul 2012 #46
and get recced pintobean Jul 2012 #49
Much nicer than my post. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #77
Your post was a tantrum drive-by. Zalatix Jul 2012 #81
Not sure you know what a drive-by is. As I responded twice. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #82
It was a tantrum. One you probably had no intention of answering responses to... Zalatix Jul 2012 #83
Oh please SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #85
Oh, please. I haven't lost any fight in this thread. Zalatix Jul 2012 #92
Ok SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #99
I have no clear answer for what those people will do NOW. Zalatix Jul 2012 #109
As I said, SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #123
Okay, so you offered a proven FAILED solution. Enjoy your fail. Now how about a REAL solution? Zalatix Jul 2012 #128
Explain to me how it's a proven FAILED solution please. SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #136
LOL!!! Really? Zalatix Jul 2012 #138
Yes seriously SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #140
Yes, because we've only started trying your solutions yesterday. Zalatix Jul 2012 #141
LOL the ole SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #143
Then enjoy your hopelessly broken law enforcement system. You're probably not black, homeless Zalatix Jul 2012 #156
Oh ok SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #161
Like I said, good luck fixing this broken system. Zalatix Jul 2012 #162
Ok SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #163
I already replied twice when you called it a drive-by. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #100
Let's see now Zalatix Jul 2012 #110
oh wow 20 whole minutes SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #117
leave him alone, he doesn't know what a drive-by post means, okay? dionysus Jul 2012 #120
You obviously don't know what an ABANDONED post is. Zalatix Jul 2012 #130
Lol ok SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #132
Thank you for backing me up. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #133
well, someone is throwing tantrums, for sure... dionysus Jul 2012 #90
Uh-oh. Sounds like someone got a speeding ticket (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #41
"An America (temporarily) without police is turning out to be less dangerous"? What happened? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #43
yes, that's going to happen. cali Jul 2012 #45
Because nothing bad could possibly happen during the transition. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #47
there's thinking big....and then there's this. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #51
"Police system?" We have individual police departments, not a "police system." MADem Jul 2012 #53
Bring Back Sheriff Andy Taylor slackmaster Jul 2012 #54
No joke. Hoyt Jul 2012 #62
misguided ideas for 500 alex. dionysus Jul 2012 #55
As absurd as sitting and watching the police get worse and worse Zalatix Jul 2012 #57
I wonder how many pregnant women are beaten by non-police in a year? RZM Jul 2012 #112
Perhaps you are right. Zalatix Jul 2012 #114
My solution bakpakr Jul 2012 #60
unrec. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #61
Same here, unrec. FSogol Jul 2012 #63
If only we could unrec SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #65
Uh huh, so instead you'd prefer this? Zalatix Jul 2012 #73
I really don't think you are serious. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #75
I really DO think you are being childish. Zalatix Jul 2012 #78
That was not a rant. It was an observation. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #84
A rather myopic and childish observation. Naive, too. Zalatix Jul 2012 #87
"except trollers like you" ...ROFL dionysus Jul 2012 #89
How about passing a law forbidding derivative, violence-prone cop shows? randome Jul 2012 #66
Ummmm, NO! FrodosPet Jul 2012 #116
Correct! randome Jul 2012 #122
Every police department in the US is under civilian control. FSogol Jul 2012 #67
But not under effective civilian control. Cops fight tooth and nail against that. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #79
Change it. n/t FSogol Jul 2012 #103
How? Zalatix Jul 2012 #104
Make the police an election issue. Vote out the guys who put the police overseers in charge. FSogol Jul 2012 #108
Civilian review boards with the power to fire cops hifiguy Jul 2012 #69
Right --- And 2 million George Zimmermans volunteer... FarCenter Jul 2012 #71
I believe the chief focus should be on eliminating the profit motive for imprisoning the Uncle Joe Jul 2012 #86
I knew a retired police officer with 20 years on a major city's police force ... spin Jul 2012 #91
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #94
Who is "we," and what mechanism will "we" use to accomplish this? MineralMan Jul 2012 #95
i guess you're gonna have to start patrolling your block with an M-1. dionysus Jul 2012 #101
Don't have an M-1. I do have a .30-'06 Springfield deer rifle, though, MineralMan Jul 2012 #124
Well. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #129
Repeal and replace is not going to work with health care reform Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2012 #96
Sounds like "we need to destroy the village to save the village"... SidDithers Jul 2012 #126
The smell of JoeyT Jul 2012 #146
Damn, I'm glad you're not in charge. Skip Intro Jul 2012 #147
Then please, enjoy the system as it burns itself to the ground. Zalatix Jul 2012 #149
Yes we do need to start over but first KatChatter Jul 2012 #148
You're such a funny guy! treestar Jul 2012 #150
The system serves you great as long as you're not a homeless guy Zalatix Jul 2012 #153
But what will we do about robberies and murders? treestar Jul 2012 #160
No, we need to PENALIZE OFFENDERS in the police departments Scootaloo Jul 2012 #152
And how are we going to do that? Zalatix Jul 2012 #154
Elections and pressure on our elected officials Scootaloo Jul 2012 #155
True, we've never tried any of that before. Zalatix Jul 2012 #157
If you just want to yell at clouds, be my guest Scootaloo Jul 2012 #158
If you want to get on the hamster wheel, be my guest. Zalatix Jul 2012 #159
Anaheim CA police sic their police dog upon women and children... enjoy! Zalatix Jul 2012 #164
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