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hifiguy

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69. Civilian review boards with the power to fire cops

Reply to Zalatix (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:03 AM

Jul 2012

would be a long step in the right direction.

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We need to eliminate the entire police system in this country and reconstruct from scratch. [View all] Zalatix Jul 2012 OP

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater never works Warpy Jul 2012 #1

This is the correct answer that everyone is overlooking. joshcryer Jul 2012 #25

You forgot the next step Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #37

Except that is exactly want is not wanted. Those people need not apply to the force. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2012 #48

I believe you just hit on the makings of a political cartoon's punchline. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #115

Before the police can be demilitarized we need to disband the DHS tk2kewl Jul 2012 #76

What would you suggest in the interim SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #2

I hate to break it to you but Zalatix Jul 2012 #3

You didn't answer my questions SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #5

Answers Zalatix Jul 2012 #7

Ah I see SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #11

Self-defense? Zalatix Jul 2012 #16

Oh so your answer is self defense? SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #20

When the cops turn on you or won't respond to crime, then what? What can we do then? Zalatix Jul 2012 #32

Do you have any statistics SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #36

Your answer points to solutions that have not worked. Zalatix Jul 2012 #39

More links and non answers SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #42

Your answers still point to solutions that have NOT worked. Zalatix Jul 2012 #50

Oh yeah SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #52

dude probably got busted with an eigth one time and has a grudge, leave him alone. dionysus Jul 2012 #58

Really, do you have proof of this, or are you just engaging in childish trolling? Zalatix Jul 2012 #74

i'm sorry. was it a quarter? dionysus Jul 2012 #88

Figures. When you can't win an argument, just make up lies. Zalatix Jul 2012 #93

sorry, but you'd have to be smoking some dank-ass chronic to come up with the "argument" in the OP. dionysus Jul 2012 #98

And what excuse do you have for your childish responses? Zalatix Jul 2012 #102

Maybe MS13 can help them to get their drugs home in a safe manner. nt NCTraveler Jul 2012 #106

. dionysus Jul 2012 #107

Looks like they already helped you. Zalatix Jul 2012 #111

Ok... that was just funny. LanternWaste Jul 2012 #97

Him and about 10 million others in the past couple of decades. That's a lot of grudges. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #139

Immediate self-defense has ALWAYS been the job of the victim. PavePusher Jul 2012 #105

Good point SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #113

I've been stopped for speeding a couple of times treestar Jul 2012 #151

Sorry ... But your explanations are simplistic and unfounded .... Trajan Jul 2012 #64

Must be something in the Los Angeles drinking water then: coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #68

Now now, the LAPD is under civilian control. remember! Zalatix Jul 2012 #80

I've been a practicing attorney for 23 years COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #135

Your experience and opinion should carry more weight on the subject. randome Jul 2012 #137

and drunks driving everywhere. dionysus Jul 2012 #56

If you can't SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #59

One step up? permatex Jul 2012 #4

Definitely get rid of the all the military toys and uniforms they have acquired. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #8

I am open to any reasonable suggestion permatex Jul 2012 #13

I know, I agree that we read of horrible abuses by the police far too often sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #26

If there were an appreciable percentage of "good ones", we'd have significantly less issues TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #44

+1000 SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #14

few things sabbat hunter Jul 2012 #118

A few things.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #125

I was just kinda ranting, permatex Jul 2012 #127

Oh, I agree completely. And I sometimes wish for instant, broad "solutions" as well. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #131

I worked with Phoenix Police and neighboring agencies also in my job capacity permatex Jul 2012 #134

So what happens in between disbanding the old system and reconstructing the new system? limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #6

Bad things. But not as bad as what we're heading for with the status quo. Zalatix Jul 2012 #9

Um...build the new cops first, then disband the old cops after the new cops are ready. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #10

Ah, yes Zalatix Jul 2012 #18

seriously sabbat hunter Jul 2012 #119

Point taken. Zalatix Jul 2012 #121

you are nuts sabbat hunter Jul 2012 #142

You are foolish Zalatix Jul 2012 #144

Don't forget SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #145

Awesome! And we can pay the new guys minimum wage! intheflow Jul 2012 #12

It may seem that I'm anti police permatex Jul 2012 #15

If it's nation wide Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #38

Cops are being busted down to minimum wage right now. Zalatix Jul 2012 #17

Duh. That was the source of my sarcasm. n/t intheflow Jul 2012 #35

Yeah, because the national police system has worked out well for Venezuela... joshcryer Jul 2012 #19

Works just fine here (the UK) Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #22

I wouldn't call a police surveillance state "just fine." joshcryer Jul 2012 #23

That's an exageration Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #28

Sorry, we Americans are much better qualified than you to be the judge of that. randome Jul 2012 #70

Works fine for you? Would it be safe for tourists to visit the Belfast murals tomorrow? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #27

Very probably Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #31

Who's advocating that? Zalatix Jul 2012 #40

I think that goes too far Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #21

I miss the UNREC button. n/t zappaman Jul 2012 #24

+1 Quantess Jul 2012 #33

It's there. You just can't see it because there's something in your eye. randome Jul 2012 #72

Demilitarizing them would be a start and removing a curriculum that... Historic NY Jul 2012 #30

What nonsense. aquart Jul 2012 #34

many of them from the same posters. cali Jul 2012 #46

and get recced pintobean Jul 2012 #49

Much nicer than my post. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #77

Your post was a tantrum drive-by. Zalatix Jul 2012 #81

Not sure you know what a drive-by is. As I responded twice. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #82

It was a tantrum. One you probably had no intention of answering responses to... Zalatix Jul 2012 #83

Oh please SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #85

Oh, please. I haven't lost any fight in this thread. Zalatix Jul 2012 #92

Ok SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #99

I have no clear answer for what those people will do NOW. Zalatix Jul 2012 #109

As I said, SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #123

Okay, so you offered a proven FAILED solution. Enjoy your fail. Now how about a REAL solution? Zalatix Jul 2012 #128

Explain to me how it's a proven FAILED solution please. SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #136

LOL!!! Really? Zalatix Jul 2012 #138

Yes seriously SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #140

Yes, because we've only started trying your solutions yesterday. Zalatix Jul 2012 #141

LOL the ole SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #143

Then enjoy your hopelessly broken law enforcement system. You're probably not black, homeless Zalatix Jul 2012 #156

Oh ok SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #161

Like I said, good luck fixing this broken system. Zalatix Jul 2012 #162

Ok SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #163

I already replied twice when you called it a drive-by. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #100

Let's see now Zalatix Jul 2012 #110

oh wow 20 whole minutes SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #117

leave him alone, he doesn't know what a drive-by post means, okay? dionysus Jul 2012 #120

You obviously don't know what an ABANDONED post is. Zalatix Jul 2012 #130

Lol ok SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #132

Thank you for backing me up. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #133

well, someone is throwing tantrums, for sure... dionysus Jul 2012 #90

Uh-oh. Sounds like someone got a speeding ticket (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #41

"An America (temporarily) without police is turning out to be less dangerous"? What happened? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #43

yes, that's going to happen. cali Jul 2012 #45

Because nothing bad could possibly happen during the transition. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #47

there's thinking big....and then there's this. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #51

"Police system?" We have individual police departments, not a "police system." MADem Jul 2012 #53

Bring Back Sheriff Andy Taylor slackmaster Jul 2012 #54

No joke. Hoyt Jul 2012 #62

misguided ideas for 500 alex. dionysus Jul 2012 #55

As absurd as sitting and watching the police get worse and worse Zalatix Jul 2012 #57

I wonder how many pregnant women are beaten by non-police in a year? RZM Jul 2012 #112

Perhaps you are right. Zalatix Jul 2012 #114

My solution bakpakr Jul 2012 #60

unrec. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #61

Same here, unrec. FSogol Jul 2012 #63

If only we could unrec SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #65

Uh huh, so instead you'd prefer this? Zalatix Jul 2012 #73

I really don't think you are serious. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #75

I really DO think you are being childish. Zalatix Jul 2012 #78

That was not a rant. It was an observation. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #84

A rather myopic and childish observation. Naive, too. Zalatix Jul 2012 #87

"except trollers like you" ...ROFL dionysus Jul 2012 #89

How about passing a law forbidding derivative, violence-prone cop shows? randome Jul 2012 #66

Ummmm, NO! FrodosPet Jul 2012 #116

Correct! randome Jul 2012 #122

Every police department in the US is under civilian control. FSogol Jul 2012 #67

But not under effective civilian control. Cops fight tooth and nail against that. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #79

Change it. n/t FSogol Jul 2012 #103

How? Zalatix Jul 2012 #104

Make the police an election issue. Vote out the guys who put the police overseers in charge. FSogol Jul 2012 #108

Civilian review boards with the power to fire cops hifiguy Jul 2012 #69

Right --- And 2 million George Zimmermans volunteer... FarCenter Jul 2012 #71

I believe the chief focus should be on eliminating the profit motive for imprisoning the Uncle Joe Jul 2012 #86

I knew a retired police officer with 20 years on a major city's police force ... spin Jul 2012 #91

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #94

Who is "we," and what mechanism will "we" use to accomplish this? MineralMan Jul 2012 #95

i guess you're gonna have to start patrolling your block with an M-1. dionysus Jul 2012 #101

Don't have an M-1. I do have a .30-'06 Springfield deer rifle, though, MineralMan Jul 2012 #124

Well. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #129

Repeal and replace is not going to work with health care reform Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2012 #96

Sounds like "we need to destroy the village to save the village"... SidDithers Jul 2012 #126

The smell of JoeyT Jul 2012 #146

Damn, I'm glad you're not in charge. Skip Intro Jul 2012 #147

Then please, enjoy the system as it burns itself to the ground. Zalatix Jul 2012 #149

Yes we do need to start over but first KatChatter Jul 2012 #148

You're such a funny guy! treestar Jul 2012 #150

The system serves you great as long as you're not a homeless guy Zalatix Jul 2012 #153

But what will we do about robberies and murders? treestar Jul 2012 #160

No, we need to PENALIZE OFFENDERS in the police departments Scootaloo Jul 2012 #152

And how are we going to do that? Zalatix Jul 2012 #154

Elections and pressure on our elected officials Scootaloo Jul 2012 #155

True, we've never tried any of that before. Zalatix Jul 2012 #157

If you just want to yell at clouds, be my guest Scootaloo Jul 2012 #158

If you want to get on the hamster wheel, be my guest. Zalatix Jul 2012 #159

Anaheim CA police sic their police dog upon women and children... enjoy! Zalatix Jul 2012 #164