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SunsetDreams

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136. Explain to me how it's a proven FAILED solution please.

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 03:34 PM

Jul 2012

What you don't do is take the law into your own hands. What I would suggest is shine a light on it wherever it exists, call the media, write congress, make some damn noise, protest the brutality, but do it peacefully

I don't think all the protests in this country have failed. Women's rights, Civil rights, you get the idea. You now use as an argument that the government can shut down whole police departments and force them to start all over. How is writing congress a failed solution then? How is contacting the media and getting it out there a failed solution then? Do you think Congress is going to just automatically recognize a problem? Then you go on to say that is the very bare minimum that we should be doing. Now you are changing your argument somewhat. It's now individual police departments which is different than entire Police system in your OP.

As for your link, that is not national statistics and does not hold up your argument that we should get rid of the entire police system and start from scratch. I'll look into New Orleans though.

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We need to eliminate the entire police system in this country and reconstruct from scratch. [View all] Zalatix Jul 2012 OP

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater never works Warpy Jul 2012 #1

This is the correct answer that everyone is overlooking. joshcryer Jul 2012 #25

You forgot the next step Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #37

Except that is exactly want is not wanted. Those people need not apply to the force. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2012 #48

I believe you just hit on the makings of a political cartoon's punchline. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #115

Before the police can be demilitarized we need to disband the DHS tk2kewl Jul 2012 #76

What would you suggest in the interim SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #2

I hate to break it to you but Zalatix Jul 2012 #3

You didn't answer my questions SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #5

Answers Zalatix Jul 2012 #7

Ah I see SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #11

Self-defense? Zalatix Jul 2012 #16

Oh so your answer is self defense? SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #20

When the cops turn on you or won't respond to crime, then what? What can we do then? Zalatix Jul 2012 #32

Do you have any statistics SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #36

Your answer points to solutions that have not worked. Zalatix Jul 2012 #39

More links and non answers SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #42

Your answers still point to solutions that have NOT worked. Zalatix Jul 2012 #50

Oh yeah SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #52

dude probably got busted with an eigth one time and has a grudge, leave him alone. dionysus Jul 2012 #58

Really, do you have proof of this, or are you just engaging in childish trolling? Zalatix Jul 2012 #74

i'm sorry. was it a quarter? dionysus Jul 2012 #88

Figures. When you can't win an argument, just make up lies. Zalatix Jul 2012 #93

sorry, but you'd have to be smoking some dank-ass chronic to come up with the "argument" in the OP. dionysus Jul 2012 #98

And what excuse do you have for your childish responses? Zalatix Jul 2012 #102

Maybe MS13 can help them to get their drugs home in a safe manner. nt NCTraveler Jul 2012 #106

. dionysus Jul 2012 #107

Looks like they already helped you. Zalatix Jul 2012 #111

Ok... that was just funny. LanternWaste Jul 2012 #97

Him and about 10 million others in the past couple of decades. That's a lot of grudges. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #139

Immediate self-defense has ALWAYS been the job of the victim. PavePusher Jul 2012 #105

Good point SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #113

I've been stopped for speeding a couple of times treestar Jul 2012 #151

Sorry ... But your explanations are simplistic and unfounded .... Trajan Jul 2012 #64

Must be something in the Los Angeles drinking water then: coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #68

Now now, the LAPD is under civilian control. remember! Zalatix Jul 2012 #80

I've been a practicing attorney for 23 years COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #135

Your experience and opinion should carry more weight on the subject. randome Jul 2012 #137

and drunks driving everywhere. dionysus Jul 2012 #56

If you can't SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #59

One step up? permatex Jul 2012 #4

Definitely get rid of the all the military toys and uniforms they have acquired. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #8

I am open to any reasonable suggestion permatex Jul 2012 #13

I know, I agree that we read of horrible abuses by the police far too often sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #26

If there were an appreciable percentage of "good ones", we'd have significantly less issues TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #44

+1000 SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #14

few things sabbat hunter Jul 2012 #118

A few things.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #125

I was just kinda ranting, permatex Jul 2012 #127

Oh, I agree completely. And I sometimes wish for instant, broad "solutions" as well. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #131

I worked with Phoenix Police and neighboring agencies also in my job capacity permatex Jul 2012 #134

So what happens in between disbanding the old system and reconstructing the new system? limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #6

Bad things. But not as bad as what we're heading for with the status quo. Zalatix Jul 2012 #9

Um...build the new cops first, then disband the old cops after the new cops are ready. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #10

Ah, yes Zalatix Jul 2012 #18

seriously sabbat hunter Jul 2012 #119

Point taken. Zalatix Jul 2012 #121

you are nuts sabbat hunter Jul 2012 #142

You are foolish Zalatix Jul 2012 #144

Don't forget SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #145

Awesome! And we can pay the new guys minimum wage! intheflow Jul 2012 #12

It may seem that I'm anti police permatex Jul 2012 #15

If it's nation wide Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #38

Cops are being busted down to minimum wage right now. Zalatix Jul 2012 #17

Duh. That was the source of my sarcasm. n/t intheflow Jul 2012 #35

Yeah, because the national police system has worked out well for Venezuela... joshcryer Jul 2012 #19

Works just fine here (the UK) Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #22

I wouldn't call a police surveillance state "just fine." joshcryer Jul 2012 #23

That's an exageration Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #28

Sorry, we Americans are much better qualified than you to be the judge of that. randome Jul 2012 #70

Works fine for you? Would it be safe for tourists to visit the Belfast murals tomorrow? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #27

Very probably Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #31

Who's advocating that? Zalatix Jul 2012 #40

I think that goes too far Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #21

I miss the UNREC button. n/t zappaman Jul 2012 #24

+1 Quantess Jul 2012 #33

It's there. You just can't see it because there's something in your eye. randome Jul 2012 #72

Demilitarizing them would be a start and removing a curriculum that... Historic NY Jul 2012 #30

What nonsense. aquart Jul 2012 #34

many of them from the same posters. cali Jul 2012 #46

and get recced pintobean Jul 2012 #49

Much nicer than my post. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #77

Your post was a tantrum drive-by. Zalatix Jul 2012 #81

Not sure you know what a drive-by is. As I responded twice. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #82

It was a tantrum. One you probably had no intention of answering responses to... Zalatix Jul 2012 #83

Oh please SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #85

Oh, please. I haven't lost any fight in this thread. Zalatix Jul 2012 #92

Ok SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #99

I have no clear answer for what those people will do NOW. Zalatix Jul 2012 #109

As I said, SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #123

Okay, so you offered a proven FAILED solution. Enjoy your fail. Now how about a REAL solution? Zalatix Jul 2012 #128

Explain to me how it's a proven FAILED solution please. SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #136

LOL!!! Really? Zalatix Jul 2012 #138

Yes seriously SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #140

Yes, because we've only started trying your solutions yesterday. Zalatix Jul 2012 #141

LOL the ole SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #143

Then enjoy your hopelessly broken law enforcement system. You're probably not black, homeless Zalatix Jul 2012 #156

Oh ok SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #161

Like I said, good luck fixing this broken system. Zalatix Jul 2012 #162

Ok SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #163

I already replied twice when you called it a drive-by. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #100

Let's see now Zalatix Jul 2012 #110

oh wow 20 whole minutes SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #117

leave him alone, he doesn't know what a drive-by post means, okay? dionysus Jul 2012 #120

You obviously don't know what an ABANDONED post is. Zalatix Jul 2012 #130

Lol ok SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #132

Thank you for backing me up. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #133

well, someone is throwing tantrums, for sure... dionysus Jul 2012 #90

Uh-oh. Sounds like someone got a speeding ticket (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #41

"An America (temporarily) without police is turning out to be less dangerous"? What happened? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #43

yes, that's going to happen. cali Jul 2012 #45

Because nothing bad could possibly happen during the transition. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #47

there's thinking big....and then there's this. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #51

"Police system?" We have individual police departments, not a "police system." MADem Jul 2012 #53

Bring Back Sheriff Andy Taylor slackmaster Jul 2012 #54

No joke. Hoyt Jul 2012 #62

misguided ideas for 500 alex. dionysus Jul 2012 #55

As absurd as sitting and watching the police get worse and worse Zalatix Jul 2012 #57

I wonder how many pregnant women are beaten by non-police in a year? RZM Jul 2012 #112

Perhaps you are right. Zalatix Jul 2012 #114

My solution bakpakr Jul 2012 #60

unrec. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #61

Same here, unrec. FSogol Jul 2012 #63

If only we could unrec SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #65

Uh huh, so instead you'd prefer this? Zalatix Jul 2012 #73

I really don't think you are serious. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #75

I really DO think you are being childish. Zalatix Jul 2012 #78

That was not a rant. It was an observation. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #84

A rather myopic and childish observation. Naive, too. Zalatix Jul 2012 #87

"except trollers like you" ...ROFL dionysus Jul 2012 #89

How about passing a law forbidding derivative, violence-prone cop shows? randome Jul 2012 #66

Ummmm, NO! FrodosPet Jul 2012 #116

Correct! randome Jul 2012 #122

Every police department in the US is under civilian control. FSogol Jul 2012 #67

But not under effective civilian control. Cops fight tooth and nail against that. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #79

Change it. n/t FSogol Jul 2012 #103

How? Zalatix Jul 2012 #104

Make the police an election issue. Vote out the guys who put the police overseers in charge. FSogol Jul 2012 #108

Civilian review boards with the power to fire cops hifiguy Jul 2012 #69

Right --- And 2 million George Zimmermans volunteer... FarCenter Jul 2012 #71

I believe the chief focus should be on eliminating the profit motive for imprisoning the Uncle Joe Jul 2012 #86

I knew a retired police officer with 20 years on a major city's police force ... spin Jul 2012 #91

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #94

Who is "we," and what mechanism will "we" use to accomplish this? MineralMan Jul 2012 #95

i guess you're gonna have to start patrolling your block with an M-1. dionysus Jul 2012 #101

Don't have an M-1. I do have a .30-'06 Springfield deer rifle, though, MineralMan Jul 2012 #124

Well. NCTraveler Jul 2012 #129

Repeal and replace is not going to work with health care reform Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2012 #96

Sounds like "we need to destroy the village to save the village"... SidDithers Jul 2012 #126

The smell of JoeyT Jul 2012 #146

Damn, I'm glad you're not in charge. Skip Intro Jul 2012 #147

Then please, enjoy the system as it burns itself to the ground. Zalatix Jul 2012 #149

Yes we do need to start over but first KatChatter Jul 2012 #148

You're such a funny guy! treestar Jul 2012 #150

The system serves you great as long as you're not a homeless guy Zalatix Jul 2012 #153

But what will we do about robberies and murders? treestar Jul 2012 #160

No, we need to PENALIZE OFFENDERS in the police departments Scootaloo Jul 2012 #152

And how are we going to do that? Zalatix Jul 2012 #154

Elections and pressure on our elected officials Scootaloo Jul 2012 #155

True, we've never tried any of that before. Zalatix Jul 2012 #157

If you just want to yell at clouds, be my guest Scootaloo Jul 2012 #158

If you want to get on the hamster wheel, be my guest. Zalatix Jul 2012 #159

Anaheim CA police sic their police dog upon women and children... enjoy! Zalatix Jul 2012 #164