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grantcart

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Wed Jul 12, 2017, 08:50 PM Jul 2017

We now know exactly what happened. NSA will have the tapes. [View all]

Last edited Wed Jul 12, 2017, 09:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Chris Hayes detailed the emails between Jr. and Goldstone that requested a contact to get information. Goldstone finds Emin who is on stage but will call after he finishes his show. An hour later Jr. confirms the call took place with a thank you note back to Goldstone.

Following up on the phone call Goldstone details that they will send the Russian attorney in response to JRs request for help.

Phone records will exist but more importantly this phone call is recorded and sitting in the NSA cloud so that they can recall it once they know what call to look for.

Four hours later Trump boasts to a crowd that he expects to get some very damaging information on Secretary Clinton.

We now have a very clear idea of what exactly happened. The video shows Trump and Goldstone in active conversation when they met in Las Vegas a couple of years before. It is clear that Trump tasked Junior with contacting Goldstone to get the Clinton emails which the Russians had. A confirmed phone call initiated by Jr sets up the meeting. The Russians got the compromising position on the Trumps but probably told them that they couldn't pass the original source material directly to the campaign because it would be too easily traced by the CIA/NSA.

The Russians tell the Trump campaign that they will release it through Wikileaks so that they can maintain deniability. Trump gets impatient and actually makes a public plea "if the Russians have the 30,000 emails please release it". In order to show that the Trump administration will deliver on promises to relax sanctions Manafort pushes through a Ukranian plank that is soft on Russia at the convention. This is an important "offer of proof" by Trump to signal to the Russians that he understands what they want and will be able to deliver the product.

Trump wants to follow up on his quid pro quo but knows that the CIA/NSA will be able to pick off his communication and asks Jared to meet with Russian Ambassador and set up a secret back door channel so that they can carry out their "Sanction relief for contracts in Russian energy development" plan that will bring them the billions that have evaded him.

Trump sees Comey closing in on the above and fires him.

Many elements of this will be easily confirmed with telephone records and with NSA captured conversations.

Trump complained about the "cloud" over his administration. A lot of the cloud has dissipated and we can now see how the dots were connected. In this case the "cover up" won't be nearly as bad as what they almost got away with.

Updated with the emails from June 6th

6 June 2016
Goldstone to Trump Jr

Let me know when you are free to talk with Emin by phone about this Hillary info – you had mentioned early this week so wanted to try to schedule a time and day. Best to you and your family.

Trump Jr to Goldstone

Rob could we speak now?


Goldstone to Trump Jr

Let me track him down in Moscow. What number he could call?

Trump Jr to Goldstone

My cell.

Goldstone to Trump Jr

He’s on stage in Moscow but should be off within 20 minutes so I am sure can call.

Trump Jr to Goldstone (about one hour later)

Rob thanks for the help.

7 June 2016


Goldstone to Trump Jr

Hope all is well. Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and the Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday. I believe you are aware of the meeting – and so wondered if 3pm or later on Thursday works for you? I assume it would be at your office.


Full text of all emails here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/donald-trump-jr-emails-full-text-russia-rob-goldstone

This nothingburger has about 43,000 calories.

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is this Rachel? FM123 Jul 2017 #1
chris hayes grantcart Jul 2017 #3
Rachel is now going over it grantcart Jul 2017 #4
Why would NSA be taping Goldstone or Eminent? Justice Jul 2017 #2
They are known Russian agents, therefore NSA tapes them. marylandblue Jul 2017 #5
Since Junior initated the phone call they would need a warrant to tape that particular call grantcart Jul 2017 #9
They wouldn't, they store into a cloud and retrieve it later grantcart Jul 2017 #7
I don't think there is any evidence they store call contents Egnever Jul 2017 #11
The Utah Data Center could trivially account for all international communication. joshcryer Jul 2017 #14
Would love to see something that says that Egnever Jul 2017 #27
Search for "Global Information Grid Architecture Vision" joshcryer Jul 2017 #32
Following that link brings you to this Egnever Jul 2017 #35
They're not storing Netflix. joshcryer Jul 2017 #38
Awesome link Egnever Jul 2017 #42
But to be fair all they're doing is US. joshcryer Jul 2017 #44
Ok I would give you it is us only Egnever Jul 2017 #46
it's hard to visualize the proportions of the Utah defacto7 Jul 2017 #39
1.5 million square feet joshcryer Jul 2017 #40
It'll probably be filled up in a couple years. rickford66 Jul 2017 #52
The NSA practice of storing billions of calls has been well documented grantcart Jul 2017 #15
Mind you they are also likely auto transcribing calls to text. joshcryer Jul 2017 #22
There is a big difference between call data and recording Egnever Jul 2017 #33
You started with the premise that you didn't think that NSA was storing many calls grantcart Jul 2017 #43
No that was not my premise at all Egnever Jul 2017 #47
Your exact comment "I don't think there is any evidence they store call contents" grantcart Jul 2017 #48
Right Egnever Jul 2017 #49
I want to believe this but the usatoday article says the practice has been discontinued. n/t pnwmom Jul 2017 #29
The NSA records everything. Everything. joshcryer Jul 2017 #13
It doesn't bother me because I know how hard it is to get a Federal warrant grantcart Jul 2017 #18
I would still like "Ending Secret Laws Act" to pass. joshcryer Jul 2017 #21
I have two clients that full time job is to apply for warrants for DHS grantcart Jul 2017 #25
These traitors have been as subtle as a hammer to the head. DK504 Jul 2017 #6
Federal Prosecutors don't care about time frame. They only care about getting the biggest fish grantcart Jul 2017 #8
Yep. THey want to get all the tentacles on the malignancy. Amaryllis Jul 2017 #17
In baseball terms they never bunt but go for the fences with the bases loaded every time. grantcart Jul 2017 #19
"this is their superbowl" ??? Glad you know that ! So glad u are here. !!! Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2017 #20
somewhere in this story there's a 400-pound hacker unblock Jul 2017 #10
Maybe he was picturing Goldstone grantcart Jul 2017 #16
Central casting? We need a stereotypical mobster, the Sleazier the better. alfredo Jul 2017 #34
He was probably just repeating something that he heard, Chemisse Jul 2017 #50
Kick. dalton99a Jul 2017 #12
Trump has gotten away with all this. Even with all this out in the open..he's clear & free so far. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #23
Trump has pissed off the wrong people OldRedneck Jul 2017 #24
Hope so. SharonClark Jul 2017 #30
It amuses me that these bombshells come out... Barack_America Jul 2017 #31
Good points. He not only pissed off the IC but also the press grantcart Jul 2017 #37
K & R Duppers Jul 2017 #26
One also wonders, when Ms. Veselnitskaya was "detained for hours" at Heathrow... Barack_America Jul 2017 #28
KnR Hekate Jul 2017 #36
Superior post, grantcart!! Great bunch of sharp/knowledgable DU responses, too! Thanks, all!! n/t Leghorn21 Jul 2017 #41
Great post! Blue_Roses Jul 2017 #45
This also puts into context Benedict Donald's bragging to the... Pluvious Jul 2017 #51
Excellent post, grantcart!!! Raster Jul 2017 #53
How about this scenario - Mr.Bill Jul 2017 #54
Great summary time line. And MSNBC has used a LOT of print journalist's work lately, with FailureToCommunicate Jul 2017 #55
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