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grantcart

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15. The NSA practice of storing billions of calls has been well documented
Wed Jul 12, 2017, 10:15 PM
Jul 2017

That is what was the kerfuffle under Obama. They store and then wait for a warrant to listen.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/18681-nsa-whistleblower-binney-nsa-recording-80-of-u-s-phone-calls

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/03/18/291165247/report-nsa-can-record-store-phone-conversations-of-whole-countries

This was in 2011, their capacity would be much greater now as they continue to improve ways to shrink and store files:

"A senior manager for the program compares it to a time machine — one that can replay the voices from any call without requiring that a person be identified in advance for surveillance.

"The voice interception program, called MYSTIC, began in 2009. Its RETRO tool, short for 'retrospective retrieval,' and related projects reached full capacity against the first target nation in 2011. Planning documents two years later anticipated similar operations elsewhere.

"In the initial deployment, collection systems are recording 'every single' conversation nationwide, storing billions of them in a 30-day rolling buffer that clears the oldest calls as new ones arrive, according to a classified summary.

"The call buffer opens a door 'into the past,' the summary says, enabling users to 'retrieve audio of interest that was not tasked at the time of the original call.' Analysts listen to only a fraction of 1 percent of the calls, but the absolute numbers are high. Each month, they send millions of voice clippings, or "cuts," for processing and long-term storage."



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/04/07/dea-bulk-telephone-surveillance-operation/70808616/


WASHINGTON — The U.S. government started keeping secret records of Americans' international telephone calls nearly a decade before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, harvesting billions of calls in a program that provided a blueprint for the far broader National Security Agency surveillance that followed.


It is estimated to cost some thing under 100 million a year to store at the level that is publicly disclosed. The NSA budget is over $ 50 billion so if it was as high as $ 1 billion for storage that would only be 2% of their annual budget costs and with improvement of both hardware and software could be significantly lower than that.


https://gizmodo.com/how-much-it-costs-the-nsa-to-store-an-entire-countrys-p-1578666785

Now, remember the NSA is reportedly doing this in five different countries around the world, bringing our total ballpark just for phone call recording into the tens of millions of dollars.

is this Rachel? FM123 Jul 2017 #1
chris hayes grantcart Jul 2017 #3
Rachel is now going over it grantcart Jul 2017 #4
Why would NSA be taping Goldstone or Eminent? Justice Jul 2017 #2
They are known Russian agents, therefore NSA tapes them. marylandblue Jul 2017 #5
Since Junior initated the phone call they would need a warrant to tape that particular call grantcart Jul 2017 #9
They wouldn't, they store into a cloud and retrieve it later grantcart Jul 2017 #7
I don't think there is any evidence they store call contents Egnever Jul 2017 #11
The Utah Data Center could trivially account for all international communication. joshcryer Jul 2017 #14
Would love to see something that says that Egnever Jul 2017 #27
Search for "Global Information Grid Architecture Vision" joshcryer Jul 2017 #32
Following that link brings you to this Egnever Jul 2017 #35
They're not storing Netflix. joshcryer Jul 2017 #38
Awesome link Egnever Jul 2017 #42
But to be fair all they're doing is US. joshcryer Jul 2017 #44
Ok I would give you it is us only Egnever Jul 2017 #46
it's hard to visualize the proportions of the Utah defacto7 Jul 2017 #39
1.5 million square feet joshcryer Jul 2017 #40
It'll probably be filled up in a couple years. rickford66 Jul 2017 #52
The NSA practice of storing billions of calls has been well documented grantcart Jul 2017 #15
Mind you they are also likely auto transcribing calls to text. joshcryer Jul 2017 #22
There is a big difference between call data and recording Egnever Jul 2017 #33
You started with the premise that you didn't think that NSA was storing many calls grantcart Jul 2017 #43
No that was not my premise at all Egnever Jul 2017 #47
Your exact comment "I don't think there is any evidence they store call contents" grantcart Jul 2017 #48
Right Egnever Jul 2017 #49
I want to believe this but the usatoday article says the practice has been discontinued. n/t pnwmom Jul 2017 #29
The NSA records everything. Everything. joshcryer Jul 2017 #13
It doesn't bother me because I know how hard it is to get a Federal warrant grantcart Jul 2017 #18
I would still like "Ending Secret Laws Act" to pass. joshcryer Jul 2017 #21
I have two clients that full time job is to apply for warrants for DHS grantcart Jul 2017 #25
These traitors have been as subtle as a hammer to the head. DK504 Jul 2017 #6
Federal Prosecutors don't care about time frame. They only care about getting the biggest fish grantcart Jul 2017 #8
Yep. THey want to get all the tentacles on the malignancy. Amaryllis Jul 2017 #17
In baseball terms they never bunt but go for the fences with the bases loaded every time. grantcart Jul 2017 #19
"this is their superbowl" ??? Glad you know that ! So glad u are here. !!! Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2017 #20
somewhere in this story there's a 400-pound hacker unblock Jul 2017 #10
Maybe he was picturing Goldstone grantcart Jul 2017 #16
Central casting? We need a stereotypical mobster, the Sleazier the better. alfredo Jul 2017 #34
He was probably just repeating something that he heard, Chemisse Jul 2017 #50
Kick. dalton99a Jul 2017 #12
Trump has gotten away with all this. Even with all this out in the open..he's clear & free so far. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #23
Trump has pissed off the wrong people OldRedneck Jul 2017 #24
Hope so. SharonClark Jul 2017 #30
It amuses me that these bombshells come out... Barack_America Jul 2017 #31
Good points. He not only pissed off the IC but also the press grantcart Jul 2017 #37
K & R Duppers Jul 2017 #26
One also wonders, when Ms. Veselnitskaya was "detained for hours" at Heathrow... Barack_America Jul 2017 #28
KnR Hekate Jul 2017 #36
Superior post, grantcart!! Great bunch of sharp/knowledgable DU responses, too! Thanks, all!! n/t Leghorn21 Jul 2017 #41
Great post! Blue_Roses Jul 2017 #45
This also puts into context Benedict Donald's bragging to the... Pluvious Jul 2017 #51
Excellent post, grantcart!!! Raster Jul 2017 #53
How about this scenario - Mr.Bill Jul 2017 #54
Great summary time line. And MSNBC has used a LOT of print journalist's work lately, with FailureToCommunicate Jul 2017 #55
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