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In reply to the discussion: We now know exactly what happened. NSA will have the tapes. [View all]grantcart
(53,061 posts)25. I have two clients that full time job is to apply for warrants for DHS
if they get a tip that a cartel has a connection in the US and they want to tap the phone this is the path it has to follow
1) Agent Applies for warrant, has to be approved by Customs and Border Protection Federal attorney in that sector
2) Goes to State Federal Attorney for approval
3) Goes to DHS headquarters for Senior Counsel
4) Goes to Attorney General's office
5) Goes to Customs and Border Patrol Counsel General
6) Returned to State Federal Attorney with any amendments
7) Returned to local Customs and Border Patrol federal attorney to submit to the court.
The reason that federal warrants get approved at such a high rate is that at least 7 different highly screened federal prosecutors see it before it goes to the court and they don't like to be criticized for sub standard work so they are very careful about submissions.
Once the wire tap is approved there is a time limit, something like 30 seconds, that the officers can listen to and then have to stop the recording if elements directly related to the warrant are talked about. There are two agents listening and a compliance officer from another agency to observe and make sure the rules are followed.
After another time period (I think it is 5 minutes) they can listen in again for another 30 seconds.
There is a proof, in my humble opinion, that the system is working well and has lots of internal checks and balances and that is under the FISA system there hasn't been a single case of abuse that has been reported. Snowden liked to talk about all of the things that could have happened but couldn't identify a single person who was subjected to arbitrary and unreasonable abuse.
With Trump's election I worry, however, that even the best placed systems can be undermined and you simply have to trust on the professionalism of the career people who have their hands on the buttons.
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Since Junior initated the phone call they would need a warrant to tape that particular call
grantcart
Jul 2017
#9
The Utah Data Center could trivially account for all international communication.
joshcryer
Jul 2017
#14
You started with the premise that you didn't think that NSA was storing many calls
grantcart
Jul 2017
#43
Your exact comment "I don't think there is any evidence they store call contents"
grantcart
Jul 2017
#48
I want to believe this but the usatoday article says the practice has been discontinued. n/t
pnwmom
Jul 2017
#29
Federal Prosecutors don't care about time frame. They only care about getting the biggest fish
grantcart
Jul 2017
#8
In baseball terms they never bunt but go for the fences with the bases loaded every time.
grantcart
Jul 2017
#19
"this is their superbowl" ??? Glad you know that ! So glad u are here. !!!
Laura PourMeADrink
Jul 2017
#20
Trump has gotten away with all this. Even with all this out in the open..he's clear & free so far.
Honeycombe8
Jul 2017
#23
One also wonders, when Ms. Veselnitskaya was "detained for hours" at Heathrow...
Barack_America
Jul 2017
#28
Superior post, grantcart!! Great bunch of sharp/knowledgable DU responses, too! Thanks, all!! n/t
Leghorn21
Jul 2017
#41
Great summary time line. And MSNBC has used a LOT of print journalist's work lately, with
FailureToCommunicate
Jul 2017
#55