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beam me up scottie

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112. Yep. Pro-choice is too wishy washy for me.
Tue Aug 1, 2017, 05:27 PM
Aug 2017

I understand why people don't want to use the term pro-abortion and why the party will never use it - but I'm not afraid to wear it proudly.

Abortion isn't a bad word and it's time to stop treating it like it's a Bad Thing. And it's long past time to stop pretending that women who have abortions did something wrong.

I support as many abortions as women need, I don't use weasel words like 'rare'. It should be paid for by insurance and easily accessible at clinics, doctors' offices and hospitals. It shouldn't be viewed any differently than any other medical procedure.

We should not be pro abortion! [View all] Soxfan58 Aug 2017 OP
Who is "pro abortion"? nt. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #1
It's like being pro gallbladder surgery Warpy Aug 2017 #55
Thank you for the laugh. nt. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #58
Well if you ask any Christian Conservative R- winger SJMULE Aug 2017 #131
That is an important distinction. Pro-choice, is NOT pro abortion. That is what choice is all still_one Aug 2017 #133
Ummm yeah MaryLouisaWillis Aug 2017 #155
Oh, good lawd! demmiblue Aug 2017 #2
I've never met anyone who is "pro abortion." Atman Aug 2017 #3
I am loyalsister Aug 2017 #25
Understood PJMcK Aug 2017 #33
Exactly loyalsister Aug 2017 #59
You are supportive of them in the context of consent. ehrnst Aug 2017 #100
And yet loyalsister Aug 2017 #104
How is that "pro-abortion"? That's a bit like being pro-appendectomy or Ninsianna Aug 2017 #42
I am in favor of the existance of the procedure loyalsister Aug 2017 #60
I agree with you. It's not a difficult concept. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #63
Um, that doesn't make sense. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #76
If they work day and night to restrict or ban mastectomy, I will become pro-mastectomy. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #81
Thank you! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #85
+100. "Pro-choice" is a lukewarm-bordering-cowardly term. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #88
I agree MountCleaners Aug 2017 #126
Nonsense. I use it because it is exactly what I mean. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #137
So you think the term "pro-abortion" implies removal of patient choice. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #160
So pro-life implies choice? Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #162
They would say yes. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #168
I have not met a single pro-life person who would describe themselves as pro-choice. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #183
Frankly, many of the people who identify themselves... Mariana Aug 2017 #174
Ask the people against whom such criticism is directed if there is a meaningful difference. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #181
There is no similarity between the two positions. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #164
You are obviously not encountering the same pro-abortion people I have, Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #169
I don't think there are a lot of people advocating compulsory abortions. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #199
I'm just saying that focusing on the procedure itself, when that's what they're Ninsianna Aug 2017 #144
Maybe because people want it to be illegal? loyalsister Aug 2017 #82
They also want to make a great many things illegal, so conceding that much ground to Ninsianna Aug 2017 #147
That is not "pro abortion." Atman Aug 2017 #46
It goes beyond that loyalsister Aug 2017 #73
It is pro abortion to favor the legality loyalsister Aug 2017 #97
Which would make you anti-abortion is it's coerced or forced. ehrnst Aug 2017 #91
I think that divorce should be legal, but that doesn't make me "pro-divorce" ehrnst Aug 2017 #92
If conservatives were working to constrain and disallow divorce, you might classify yourself that AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #105
I would classify myself being supportive of consent and choice in any decision. ehrnst Aug 2017 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Aug 2017 #200
it makes you anti arranged marriage. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #198
How exactly? loyalsister Aug 2017 #96
I didn't say it did. ehrnst Aug 2017 #98
I don't understand how you make that leap loyalsister Aug 2017 #102
Any medical procedure or condition imposed without consent - be it forced childbearing or abortion ehrnst Aug 2017 #117
"Being against rape does not make one anti-sex, and vice verca" loyalsister Aug 2017 #125
Then you are pro (whatever is consentual - which is choice) which also includes adoption. ehrnst Aug 2017 #134
Hey there, nice to meet you. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #30
I'm all for that as an available option. Nt Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #159
I've met a few metalbot Aug 2017 #192
Offs, Soxfan58 Hekate Aug 2017 #4
No one is pro abortion wryter2000 Aug 2017 #5
True. Thank you. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #12
Not true. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #16
This. CrispyQ Aug 2017 #18
And that makes you anti-abortion if it's coerced or forced on a woman. right? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #93
Lol. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #118
Adding coerced or forced... tonedevil Aug 2017 #184
Anti-Apple Pie? I challenge you to a duel! Spoons at dawn! AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #189
There are some who would disagree... A HERETIC I AM Aug 2017 #17
Exactly! mountain grammy Aug 2017 #19
I'm pro-abortion. David__77 Aug 2017 #22
I'm for the freedom to have an abortion wryter2000 Aug 2017 #34
I am not interested in allowing the Pro Birth crowd to dictate terms. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #75
I'll call them the pro-forced childbearing crowd. ehrnst Aug 2017 #124
Well said Pachamama Aug 2017 #154
Thank you, and exactly. You get it. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #64
That was always Bill Clinton's argument Renew Deal Aug 2017 #52
Or not. jmg257 Aug 2017 #178
Explain brucefan Aug 2017 #6
How about PRO WOMEN'S RIGHTS? CountAllVotes Aug 2017 #7
And pro privacy and pro bodily autonomy elehhhhna Aug 2017 #49
I consider myself Pro-Reproductive Choice & Rights Pachamama Aug 2017 #156
Would you please explain your position to us. irisblue Aug 2017 #8
wow! stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #9
I am pro abortion. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #10
Gah, you beat me to it! WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #14
I'm pro-spelling, but that's just me. 6000eliot Aug 2017 #11
autocorrect can be an A hole sometimes though. irisblue Aug 2017 #15
I know. I've been caught too. Sorry for the snark. 6000eliot Aug 2017 #21
No issue at all irisblue Aug 2017 #24
Autocorrect is my worst enema unblock Aug 2017 #57
that's the ducking truth. OriginalGeek Aug 2017 #62
I'm pro-abortion the same way I'm pro-appendectomy or pro-microdiscectomy. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #13
The correct term is "pro-choice," not "pro-abortion." Nobody here actually likes that Oneironaut Aug 2017 #20
Please be careful speaking for others about how they feel about abortion. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #27
Definately not always blackdove78 Aug 2017 #47
It's not always a difficult situation. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #83
We ARE pro education, pro contraception, pro choice and not ashamed to support the right to abort. bettyellen Aug 2017 #23
The termination of a pregnancy is a medical procedure. Caliman73 Aug 2017 #26
You don't get to decide the policies favored here. lark Aug 2017 #28
I've never met anyone that is pro abortion. Intransigent Atheist Aug 2017 #29
Being a fan of routine healthcare procedures that make people's lives better is not misanthropic. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author David__77 Aug 2017 #31
Not that I think this is prevalent but... Thomas Hurt Aug 2017 #35
... demmiblue Aug 2017 #37
. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #38
So you're saying ProudLib72 Aug 2017 #36
"Pro-Abortion" is a pernicious myth fueled by anti-choicers Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2017 #39
Only in the RW's ugly spin, are Liberal/progressives (or anyone for that matter), hlthe2b Aug 2017 #40
Yeah shenmue Aug 2017 #53
I'm sorry, who are you speaking for today? AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #84
Staunchly Pro-Choice does not equate to PRO-Abortion (& I speak for millions like myself, thank you) hlthe2b Aug 2017 #86
Abortion is a specific choice/procedure that is specifically under attack. I don't waste my time AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #87
I'm pro abortion. LeftyMom Aug 2017 #41
Me too blackdove78 Aug 2017 #48
I have a blood clotting disorder. LeftyMom Aug 2017 #56
You should absolutely be making that choice and no one else. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #123
what does "pro abortion" mean? fishwax Aug 2017 #43
I am pro abortion... xajj4791 Aug 2017 #44
If a woman wants an abortion, I am pro abortion. DefenseLawyer Aug 2017 #45
Jesus... LexVegas Aug 2017 #50
I'm not sure syringis Aug 2017 #51
Democrats are NEVER pro-abortion get the red out Aug 2017 #54
When the other side works 24x7x365 to villify, demonize, guilt trip, restrict, ban abortion, etc AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #79
I'm pro-abortion. It's a medical procedure that saves lives. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #61
NOBODY IS PRO ABORTION librechik Aug 2017 #65
I'm pro-abortion Heddi Aug 2017 #67
I am. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #68
I'm pro-abortion Heddi Aug 2017 #66
THIS RIGHT HERE! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #70
Thank you! Solly Mack Aug 2017 #143
I am pro choice, but more than that I believe having privacy is an issue of respect. hamsterjill Aug 2017 #69
frankly i don't give a damn but i wont go namby pamby talk around the issue..fuck the fetus fetish dembotoz Aug 2017 #71
I'm pro-abortion. johnp3907 Aug 2017 #72
I'll bet you're not pro-abortion that is coerced or required. ehrnst Aug 2017 #99
I'm pro-abortion. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #109
If it's banned, there's no opportunity for choice. If it's not available, you can't choose it. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #110
Yep. Pro-choice is too wishy washy for me. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #112
I wear it proudly because it puts her consent front and center - her, not the procedure ehrnst Aug 2017 #115
I'm pro-life saving medical procedures and that includes abortion. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #119
Life-saving would involve consent. ehrnst Aug 2017 #121
Which is why I don't use the term pro-forced abortion to describe my support for the procedure. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #132
Political terms carry their own meaning, and that can be different from general meanings. ehrnst Aug 2017 #158
Please stop telling me I can't be pro-abortion because you think it means something it doesn't beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #185
I'm not telling you any such thing. ehrnst Aug 2017 #187
That's an entirely different proposition than this thread started with. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #190
You're not the boss of me. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #74
How about pro reproductive healthcare (which includes abortion) Freethinker65 Aug 2017 #77
I am pro- It's none of your business if it's not your body. politicat Aug 2017 #78
Flame bait. I see the OP has disappeared to let us fight amongst ourselves. Hekate Aug 2017 #80
Yep. n/t demmiblue Aug 2017 #95
Only the right wing uses that term, and marybourg Aug 2017 #89
Um...pro-choice is anti-abortion when a woman doesn't consent.(nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #90
I'm pro madokie Aug 2017 #94
+1 hamsterjill Aug 2017 #106
absolutely pro choice - huge mistake in allowing the R's to label us as pro-abotion DrDan Aug 2017 #101
Pro-abortion is a less precise term than pro-choice Bettie Aug 2017 #103
Anti-Choice, or Pro-Birth. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #111
I call them pro-forced-birthers Major Nikon Aug 2017 #146
What? Me. Aug 2017 #107
and pro support greymattermom Aug 2017 #108
I don't care what it's called as long as the gov't quits telling women what the hell to do with ebbie15644 Aug 2017 #113
With over 600,000 reported abortions a year, I think 'pro-abortion' covers it. jmg257 Aug 2017 #114
Abortion is a medical procedure. I'm pro necessary and needed medical procedures. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #120
One just told me I'm not pro-abortion. johnp3907 Aug 2017 #127
You're a good ally, johnp3907. You get it. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #135
I'm a female and I don't know what you mean by "One"...did you mean Someone just told you? Solly Mack Aug 2017 #139
I meant one of the people posting on this thread. johnp3907 Aug 2017 #140
Thank you. Exactly. We shouldn't demonize it. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #142
Plenty of people who are supposedly on our side Mariana Aug 2017 #163
Yep Solly Mack Aug 2017 #165
Hello Solly Mack. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #136
Hello to you Bmus! Solly Mack Aug 2017 #141
Exactly! It's time to stop letting them demonize abortion. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #148
You have established the essential differences between the Parties. We are "pro"; Republicans are WinkyDink Aug 2017 #152
Thank you. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #170
Pro-Democrat! WinkyDink Aug 2017 #171
And back to pro I go. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #172
Nobody is "pro-abortion". Pro-CHOICE means you can chose to have an abortion, or not. Lil Missy Aug 2017 #122
Who's pro-abortion? Lebam in LA Aug 2017 #128
Where did the OP go? Off to start a fight someplace else? Hekate Aug 2017 #129
Hit & Run Me. Aug 2017 #130
I don't approve of abortion, but I accept it when others may need it. pwb Aug 2017 #138
It is the law. There is nothing for you to "accept" or reject. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #151
I approve, and I refuse to guilt trip other people by joining in to beat that drum of 'I don't appro AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #166
You are using right wing framing, here. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #145
I'm pro abortion. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #149
This is an example of what prompted the OP, I'm pretty sure. LAS14 Aug 2017 #167
If you don't want heart surgery that's your business. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #173
Well, you've got to agree that it's a debatable point. Right? LAS14 Aug 2017 #193
Sure, but I am in no way compelling you to have an abortion. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #195
"We impinge on other people's choice Mariana Aug 2017 #175
No moral complexity about it for me at all. 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2017 #177
Yeah, but there is for a lot of people. That was the OP's point. nt LAS14 Aug 2017 #194
And for plenty of people, there isn't. 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2017 #196
Exactly. What is so difficult about that? beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #186
I AM PRO ROE v. WADE, the law of the land since 1973!! People need to finally STHU about it!! DU, WinkyDink Aug 2017 #150
Who f*ck is pro-abortion? WTF??? Pachamama Aug 2017 #153
This Is What I Call It Tetunot Aug 2017 #157
Nor should we be pro-refractive eye surgery. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #161
Speak for yourself! I am pro abortion. 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2017 #176
Somebody only listens to RW framing & doesn't know what "choice" means. Is it you Soxfan58? FSogol Aug 2017 #179
Uhm, who is we and what do you mean? Raine1967 Aug 2017 #180
pro-abortion is a term repukes use Skittles Aug 2017 #182
Flame Baiting BULLSHIT tenderfoot Aug 2017 #188
lol AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #191
Correct. And that's why we're Pro-Choice. Iggo Aug 2017 #197
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