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Solly Mack

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141. Hello to you Bmus!

Reply to beam me up scottie (Reply #136)

Tue Aug 1, 2017, 07:03 PM

Aug 2017

I simply can't pretend abortion is a reason to speak in hushed tones.

Like it's some dirty secret to ashamed of.

And the only reason it is expected to be done is to make "pro-lifers" feel better - and all it does is play into their thinking that abortion is wrong.

If there is no shame, then act like it.

If you play to "pro-lifers" (and everyone please note the quotes) then they come away thinking that you secretly think it wrong.

I've had "pro-lifers" say as much to me. That liberals don't like saying pro-abortion because they know it's wrong, so they say pro-choice instead. That we wouldn't say pro-abortion because we want to live in denial about what it really is.

And they had such smug looks on their faces when they told me that.

I set them straight in short order.

Abortion is medical procedure and the only baggage it comes with is the baggage people bring into it.

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No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion - that strips choice/options/autonomy from women as well. For those thinking it clever to equate being pro medical procedure with being forced-abortion. Pro and forced do not mean the same.

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We should not be pro abortion! [View all] Soxfan58 Aug 2017 OP

Who is "pro abortion"? nt. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #1

It's like being pro gallbladder surgery Warpy Aug 2017 #55

Thank you for the laugh. nt. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #58

Well if you ask any Christian Conservative R- winger SJMULE Aug 2017 #131

That is an important distinction. Pro-choice, is NOT pro abortion. That is what choice is all still_one Aug 2017 #133

Ummm yeah MaryLouisaWillis Aug 2017 #155

Oh, good lawd! demmiblue Aug 2017 #2

I've never met anyone who is "pro abortion." Atman Aug 2017 #3

I am loyalsister Aug 2017 #25

Understood PJMcK Aug 2017 #33

Exactly loyalsister Aug 2017 #59

You are supportive of them in the context of consent. ehrnst Aug 2017 #100

And yet loyalsister Aug 2017 #104

How is that "pro-abortion"? That's a bit like being pro-appendectomy or Ninsianna Aug 2017 #42

I am in favor of the existance of the procedure loyalsister Aug 2017 #60

I agree with you. It's not a difficult concept. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #63

Um, that doesn't make sense. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #76

If they work day and night to restrict or ban mastectomy, I will become pro-mastectomy. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #81

Thank you! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #85

+100. "Pro-choice" is a lukewarm-bordering-cowardly term. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #88

I agree MountCleaners Aug 2017 #126

Nonsense. I use it because it is exactly what I mean. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #137

So you think the term "pro-abortion" implies removal of patient choice. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #160

So pro-life implies choice? Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #162

They would say yes. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #168

I have not met a single pro-life person who would describe themselves as pro-choice. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #183

Frankly, many of the people who identify themselves... Mariana Aug 2017 #174

Ask the people against whom such criticism is directed if there is a meaningful difference. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #181

There is no similarity between the two positions. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #164

You are obviously not encountering the same pro-abortion people I have, Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #169

I don't think there are a lot of people advocating compulsory abortions. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #199

I'm just saying that focusing on the procedure itself, when that's what they're Ninsianna Aug 2017 #144

Maybe because people want it to be illegal? loyalsister Aug 2017 #82

They also want to make a great many things illegal, so conceding that much ground to Ninsianna Aug 2017 #147

That is not "pro abortion." Atman Aug 2017 #46

It goes beyond that loyalsister Aug 2017 #73

It is pro abortion to favor the legality loyalsister Aug 2017 #97

Which would make you anti-abortion is it's coerced or forced. ehrnst Aug 2017 #91

I think that divorce should be legal, but that doesn't make me "pro-divorce" ehrnst Aug 2017 #92

If conservatives were working to constrain and disallow divorce, you might classify yourself that AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #105

I would classify myself being supportive of consent and choice in any decision. ehrnst Aug 2017 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Aug 2017 #200

it makes you anti arranged marriage. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #198

How exactly? loyalsister Aug 2017 #96

I didn't say it did. ehrnst Aug 2017 #98

I don't understand how you make that leap loyalsister Aug 2017 #102

Any medical procedure or condition imposed without consent - be it forced childbearing or abortion ehrnst Aug 2017 #117

"Being against rape does not make one anti-sex, and vice verca" loyalsister Aug 2017 #125

Then you are pro (whatever is consentual - which is choice) which also includes adoption. ehrnst Aug 2017 #134

Hey there, nice to meet you. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #30

I'm all for that as an available option. Nt Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #159

I've met a few metalbot Aug 2017 #192

Offs, Soxfan58 Hekate Aug 2017 #4

No one is pro abortion wryter2000 Aug 2017 #5

True. Thank you. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #12

Not true. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #16

This. CrispyQ Aug 2017 #18

And that makes you anti-abortion if it's coerced or forced on a woman. right? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #93

Lol. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #118

Adding coerced or forced... tonedevil Aug 2017 #184

Anti-Apple Pie? I challenge you to a duel! Spoons at dawn! AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #189

There are some who would disagree... A HERETIC I AM Aug 2017 #17

Exactly! mountain grammy Aug 2017 #19

I'm pro-abortion. David__77 Aug 2017 #22

I'm for the freedom to have an abortion wryter2000 Aug 2017 #34

I am not interested in allowing the Pro Birth crowd to dictate terms. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #75

I'll call them the pro-forced childbearing crowd. ehrnst Aug 2017 #124

Well said Pachamama Aug 2017 #154

Thank you, and exactly. You get it. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #64

That was always Bill Clinton's argument Renew Deal Aug 2017 #52

Or not. jmg257 Aug 2017 #178

Explain brucefan Aug 2017 #6

How about PRO WOMEN'S RIGHTS? CountAllVotes Aug 2017 #7

And pro privacy and pro bodily autonomy elehhhhna Aug 2017 #49

I consider myself Pro-Reproductive Choice & Rights Pachamama Aug 2017 #156

Would you please explain your position to us. irisblue Aug 2017 #8

wow! stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #9

I am pro abortion. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #10

Gah, you beat me to it! WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #14

I'm pro-spelling, but that's just me. 6000eliot Aug 2017 #11

autocorrect can be an A hole sometimes though. irisblue Aug 2017 #15

I know. I've been caught too. Sorry for the snark. 6000eliot Aug 2017 #21

No issue at all irisblue Aug 2017 #24

Autocorrect is my worst enema unblock Aug 2017 #57

that's the ducking truth. OriginalGeek Aug 2017 #62

I'm pro-abortion the same way I'm pro-appendectomy or pro-microdiscectomy. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #13

The correct term is "pro-choice," not "pro-abortion." Nobody here actually likes that Oneironaut Aug 2017 #20

Please be careful speaking for others about how they feel about abortion. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #27

Definately not always blackdove78 Aug 2017 #47

It's not always a difficult situation. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #83

We ARE pro education, pro contraception, pro choice and not ashamed to support the right to abort. bettyellen Aug 2017 #23

The termination of a pregnancy is a medical procedure. Caliman73 Aug 2017 #26

You don't get to decide the policies favored here. lark Aug 2017 #28

I've never met anyone that is pro abortion. Intransigent Atheist Aug 2017 #29

Being a fan of routine healthcare procedures that make people's lives better is not misanthropic. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author David__77 Aug 2017 #31

Not that I think this is prevalent but... Thomas Hurt Aug 2017 #35

... demmiblue Aug 2017 #37

. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2017 #38

So you're saying ProudLib72 Aug 2017 #36

"Pro-Abortion" is a pernicious myth fueled by anti-choicers Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2017 #39

Only in the RW's ugly spin, are Liberal/progressives (or anyone for that matter), hlthe2b Aug 2017 #40

Yeah shenmue Aug 2017 #53

I'm sorry, who are you speaking for today? AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #84

Staunchly Pro-Choice does not equate to PRO-Abortion (& I speak for millions like myself, thank you) hlthe2b Aug 2017 #86

Abortion is a specific choice/procedure that is specifically under attack. I don't waste my time AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #87

I'm pro abortion. LeftyMom Aug 2017 #41

Me too blackdove78 Aug 2017 #48

I have a blood clotting disorder. LeftyMom Aug 2017 #56

You should absolutely be making that choice and no one else. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #123

what does "pro abortion" mean? fishwax Aug 2017 #43

I am pro abortion... xajj4791 Aug 2017 #44

If a woman wants an abortion, I am pro abortion. DefenseLawyer Aug 2017 #45

Jesus... LexVegas Aug 2017 #50

I'm not sure syringis Aug 2017 #51

Democrats are NEVER pro-abortion get the red out Aug 2017 #54

When the other side works 24x7x365 to villify, demonize, guilt trip, restrict, ban abortion, etc AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #79

I'm pro-abortion. It's a medical procedure that saves lives. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #61

NOBODY IS PRO ABORTION librechik Aug 2017 #65

I'm pro-abortion Heddi Aug 2017 #67

I am. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #68

I'm pro-abortion Heddi Aug 2017 #66

THIS RIGHT HERE! beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #70

Thank you! Solly Mack Aug 2017 #143

I am pro choice, but more than that I believe having privacy is an issue of respect. hamsterjill Aug 2017 #69

frankly i don't give a damn but i wont go namby pamby talk around the issue..fuck the fetus fetish dembotoz Aug 2017 #71

I'm pro-abortion. johnp3907 Aug 2017 #72

I'll bet you're not pro-abortion that is coerced or required. ehrnst Aug 2017 #99

I'm pro-abortion. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #109

If it's banned, there's no opportunity for choice. If it's not available, you can't choose it. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #110

Yep. Pro-choice is too wishy washy for me. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #112

I wear it proudly because it puts her consent front and center - her, not the procedure ehrnst Aug 2017 #115

I'm pro-life saving medical procedures and that includes abortion. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #119

Life-saving would involve consent. ehrnst Aug 2017 #121

Which is why I don't use the term pro-forced abortion to describe my support for the procedure. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #132

Political terms carry their own meaning, and that can be different from general meanings. ehrnst Aug 2017 #158

Please stop telling me I can't be pro-abortion because you think it means something it doesn't beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #185

I'm not telling you any such thing. ehrnst Aug 2017 #187

That's an entirely different proposition than this thread started with. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #190

You're not the boss of me. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #74

How about pro reproductive healthcare (which includes abortion) Freethinker65 Aug 2017 #77

I am pro- It's none of your business if it's not your body. politicat Aug 2017 #78

Flame bait. I see the OP has disappeared to let us fight amongst ourselves. Hekate Aug 2017 #80

Yep. n/t demmiblue Aug 2017 #95

Only the right wing uses that term, and marybourg Aug 2017 #89

Um...pro-choice is anti-abortion when a woman doesn't consent.(nt) ehrnst Aug 2017 #90

I'm pro madokie Aug 2017 #94

+1 hamsterjill Aug 2017 #106

absolutely pro choice - huge mistake in allowing the R's to label us as pro-abotion DrDan Aug 2017 #101

Pro-abortion is a less precise term than pro-choice Bettie Aug 2017 #103

Anti-Choice, or Pro-Birth. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #111

I call them pro-forced-birthers Major Nikon Aug 2017 #146

What? Me. Aug 2017 #107

and pro support greymattermom Aug 2017 #108

I don't care what it's called as long as the gov't quits telling women what the hell to do with ebbie15644 Aug 2017 #113

With over 600,000 reported abortions a year, I think 'pro-abortion' covers it. jmg257 Aug 2017 #114

Abortion is a medical procedure. I'm pro necessary and needed medical procedures. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #120

One just told me I'm not pro-abortion. johnp3907 Aug 2017 #127

You're a good ally, johnp3907. You get it. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #135

I'm a female and I don't know what you mean by "One"...did you mean Someone just told you? Solly Mack Aug 2017 #139

I meant one of the people posting on this thread. johnp3907 Aug 2017 #140

Thank you. Exactly. We shouldn't demonize it. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #142

Plenty of people who are supposedly on our side Mariana Aug 2017 #163

Yep Solly Mack Aug 2017 #165

Hello Solly Mack. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #136

Hello to you Bmus! Solly Mack Aug 2017 #141

Exactly! It's time to stop letting them demonize abortion. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #148

You have established the essential differences between the Parties. We are "pro"; Republicans are WinkyDink Aug 2017 #152

Thank you. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #170

Pro-Democrat! WinkyDink Aug 2017 #171

And back to pro I go. Solly Mack Aug 2017 #172

Nobody is "pro-abortion". Pro-CHOICE means you can chose to have an abortion, or not. Lil Missy Aug 2017 #122

Who's pro-abortion? Lebam in LA Aug 2017 #128

Where did the OP go? Off to start a fight someplace else? Hekate Aug 2017 #129

Hit & Run Me. Aug 2017 #130

I don't approve of abortion, but I accept it when others may need it. pwb Aug 2017 #138

It is the law. There is nothing for you to "accept" or reject. WinkyDink Aug 2017 #151

I approve, and I refuse to guilt trip other people by joining in to beat that drum of 'I don't appro AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #166

You are using right wing framing, here. Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #145

I'm pro abortion. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #149

This is an example of what prompted the OP, I'm pretty sure. LAS14 Aug 2017 #167

If you don't want heart surgery that's your business. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #173

Well, you've got to agree that it's a debatable point. Right? LAS14 Aug 2017 #193

Sure, but I am in no way compelling you to have an abortion. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #195

"We impinge on other people's choice Mariana Aug 2017 #175

No moral complexity about it for me at all. 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2017 #177

Yeah, but there is for a lot of people. That was the OP's point. nt LAS14 Aug 2017 #194

And for plenty of people, there isn't. 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2017 #196

Exactly. What is so difficult about that? beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #186

I AM PRO ROE v. WADE, the law of the land since 1973!! People need to finally STHU about it!! DU, WinkyDink Aug 2017 #150

Who f*ck is pro-abortion? WTF??? Pachamama Aug 2017 #153

This Is What I Call It Tetunot Aug 2017 #157

Nor should we be pro-refractive eye surgery. LanternWaste Aug 2017 #161

Speak for yourself! I am pro abortion. 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2017 #176

Somebody only listens to RW framing & doesn't know what "choice" means. Is it you Soxfan58? FSogol Aug 2017 #179

Uhm, who is we and what do you mean? Raine1967 Aug 2017 #180

pro-abortion is a term repukes use Skittles Aug 2017 #182

Flame Baiting BULLSHIT tenderfoot Aug 2017 #188

lol AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #191

Correct. And that's why we're Pro-Choice. Iggo Aug 2017 #197