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112. The problem is populism

Reply to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Aug 4, 2017, 11:59 AM

Aug 2017

Once movements turn to scapegoating and encouraging political anger as a means to power, the rationality that's the bedrock of liberalism gets displaced with irrational rage.

Populists may have different bases of support and different classes of villains to blame for societies problems, but the end result is anti-liberal whether the populism is a right wing variation, or a left wing one.

Populism is a bad path.

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Bernie isn't the problem.... but the bernbots are [View all] scheming daemons Aug 2017 OP

We love Kamala here in CA. stopbush Aug 2017 #1

CA Sanders supporters don't like her. Think She's corporate. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2017 #16

Unfortunately, those same Bernie supporters Caliman73 Aug 2017 #67

And some of the loudest were GREENS. And most of us understand more about Greens now pnwmom Aug 2017 #79

And they defend their votes to this day. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2017 #91

Weren't they those ugly people yelling at and shaming women attending a Ninsianna Aug 2017 #126

not sure about that. some ate anarchists no doubt . SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2017 #145

No, Bernie supporters are not alt-right trolls, they're just previously unaffiliated jpljr77 Aug 2017 #2

I support Bernie Madam Mossfern Aug 2017 #5

me too ProfessorPlum Aug 2017 #11

ditto... left-of-center2012 Aug 2017 #27

Me too! Greybnk48 Aug 2017 #34

Me too! mountain grammy Aug 2017 #39

Me three! LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #52

Me four. Duppers Aug 2017 #58

Me too! nt Raine Aug 2017 #75

I just wish he liked us Democrats as much WhiteTara Aug 2017 #78

Yup. Me too nt riderinthestorm Aug 2017 #80

+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2017 #102

But you're not a bot, there is a difference between Bernie supporters and the bots. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #128

the Bernie base and the Trump base are nothing alike. NOTHING. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #20

We're not talking about the base, but the bots. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #129

completely inaccurate blanket statement there...generalize much? NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 #38

Exactly! Duppers Aug 2017 #61

OP is not about you. Is about BoBs and rightwing trolls pretending to support Bernie. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #146

I am part of the Bernie base and there is NOTHING AllyCat Aug 2017 #73

A lot of truth in this. There's was a reason for Trump's con job. R B Garr Aug 2017 #113

I believe the OP made a distinction between Bernie supporters and the online bots. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #127

The average Bernie rally goer has never heard of Harris or Booker leftstreet Aug 2017 #3

Correct... it is alt-right trolls PRETENDING to be Bernie supporters who are attacking Harris scheming daemons Aug 2017 #4

I believe PDittie Aug 2017 #35

That is a totally ridiculous statement.. mountain grammy Aug 2017 #41

This isn't internal, this is external. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #130

I know quite a few who have picked up the russianpropaganda and run with it..... bettyellen Aug 2017 #6

I've seen that as well. You're not alone. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #9

Define "quite a few" mountain grammy Aug 2017 #42

People I know in real life- some friends of 25years and some others friends of friends. bettyellen Aug 2017 #47

Our caucus was great.. lot's of discussion mountain grammy Aug 2017 #60

I have a young family member who says he spooky3 Aug 2017 #82

He had no understanding of who Sanders is or what he stands for. mountain grammy Aug 2017 #84

I agree with your son. spooky3 Aug 2017 #86

He works in a refinery with a hundred mostly white guys. mountain grammy Aug 2017 #87

Seriously? There is one right in this thread who wrote in Bernie in the GE. I do not question that seaglass Aug 2017 #100

I think that's what the OP and many others are saying. Be careful about the Ninsianna Aug 2017 #132

Discussion that came at the price of excluding so many voters is never good. bettyellen Aug 2017 #151

+1 Well said. n/t FSogol Aug 2017 #7

I agree. Bernie is not the problem but a subset of his supporters is another story. LonePirate Aug 2017 #8

I AGREE WITH YOU. "Bernbots" need to stabilize and support DEMOCRATS !!!! trueblue2007 Aug 2017 #10

Please define Bernbot AllyCat Aug 2017 #74

Not calling Bernie supporters "Bernbots" would be a start! Raine Aug 2017 #97

Seems like I remember the term "Hillbot" being tossed around NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #147

Seems like I remember the term "Hillbot" being tossed around NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #148

Beware of people saying that Kamala Harris has been "anointed" ProfessorPlum Aug 2017 #12

I've seen that a few places online NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #21

Last paragraph for the save. Duppers Aug 2017 #24

You forgot PDittie Aug 2017 #36

I support Bernie AND Kamala. Duppers Aug 2017 #43

We've seen this before, and far too many people bought into it and realized too late, Ninsianna Aug 2017 #131

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #13

I engaged on Facebook and was immediately chastised for defending her. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2017 #14

Unnnn, there are somethings Sanders has said RECENTLY that engender this attitude towards the uponit7771 Aug 2017 #15

Let me ask you a question GaryCnf Aug 2017 #17

Absofuckinglutely. byronius Aug 2017 #18

A read. Skidmore Aug 2017 #19

I personally know of a very strong Bernie supporter Boysterload Aug 2017 #22

Well said PDittie Aug 2017 #37

Rampant on DU during the primaries. Kingofalldems Aug 2017 #23

Your title violates DU's TOS. Flying Squirrel Aug 2017 #25

Nah Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #45

The OP suggests nothing of the sort. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #54

I agree with Flying Squirrel. OP is divisive, dehumanizing a broad swath of people as "bots" /nt philly_bob Aug 2017 #63

Um, it's not doing that. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #134

.... LexVegas Aug 2017 #68

I TOTALLY agree. nt Raine Aug 2017 #95

Love your DU goodbye post from last summer :-) n/t seaglass Aug 2017 #101

OMG! "Wolves howling at the door": going to JPR to escape wolves. betsuni Aug 2017 #106

Thanks for reminding me to update the link to JPR in that post. Flying Squirrel Aug 2017 #118

Good idea. It's the place to go for those that would fit in there. Can't see that there is much seaglass Aug 2017 #120

From what I've seen of that JPR place, it requires a strong stomach indeed. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #135

Uh, sure, whatever. nt Flying Squirrel Aug 2017 #136

I was agreeing with your characterization of that site you've left to come post here. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #137

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #139

Oh, then why are you back here talking about how people stomaching things? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #141

Since Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat, attacking Bernbots is not an attack on Democrats. scheming daemons Aug 2017 #104

The TOS specifically mentions Bernie Sanders Flying Squirrel Aug 2017 #117

"We leave sadly, ... We sincerely wish more of you had not become so blind, deluded, jaded, betsuni Aug 2017 #111

indeed... lapucelle Aug 2017 #143

That's quite literally the opposite of what the OP is saying. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #133

Sorry....any use of "Bernbots" is refighting the Primary concreteblue Aug 2017 #26

Much as any use of the word "anointed" is half-witted and reveals an absurd bias LanternWaste Aug 2017 #30

Not sure who you are talking to... concreteblue Aug 2017 #46

Mom! Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #85

absolutely--we should be focused on issues, not personalities, etc. Akamai Aug 2017 #32

I don't care for her...what little I know about her. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #28

much higher priority on irritating and unpleasant over that of character and policy LanternWaste Aug 2017 #33

Her manner? Skidmore Aug 2017 #44

You've met people before you just don't like. Their manner grates on your nerves. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #64

I thought she was GREAT at the hearings, doing just what she needed to do in the few minutes pnwmom Aug 2017 #93

Just sayin'...I did not agree. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #108

What rule did Harris break when she asked to have a question simply answered -- yes or no? pnwmom Aug 2017 #109

I'm not going to keep defending my impression of her. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #110

Great point! lark Aug 2017 #29

Bernbots! Hilbots! Arghhhhhh David__77 Aug 2017 #31

This again? Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #40

Always. nt Autumn Aug 2017 #48

It's like a grudge that people can't let go of. Sad, isn't it? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #49

You're right, it's very sad when people cling to the bitterness and divisiveness. nt Autumn Aug 2017 #50

You mean where we ALL come together and vote for Democrats NO MATTER WHAT Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #51

... yes, that. And letting go of old hostilities and resentments and suspicions. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #53

Excellent advice! Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #57

I want to know what the spooky significance is, of starting a post with "I want"... Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #59

Exactly... lamp_shade Aug 2017 #55

Kamala Fever is silly and counterproductive BeyondGeography Aug 2017 #56

There is some truth to your statement, however... Caliman73 Aug 2017 #66

The poster said that being Attorney General has never been a stepping stone to the Presidency. pnwmom Aug 2017 #89

Kamala Harris was Attorney General of her state. When has that position ever been a "stepping stone" pnwmom Aug 2017 #81

Please BeyondGeography Aug 2017 #92

Right. Bill Clinton was a boy wonder. She has had much more experience, and in a larger state. pnwmom Aug 2017 #94

When Bill Clinton was her age BeyondGeography Aug 2017 #98

He used the position of Attorney General as a stepping stone to the Presidency. pnwmom Aug 2017 #99

So someone who is a lifelong Democrat -- Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2017 #62

Exactly GaryCnf Aug 2017 #65

What'd she get you for Hell Hath? Caliman73 Aug 2017 #70

I disagree. Both are. nt LexVegas Aug 2017 #69

I wouldn't go that far on any of your claims. Caliman73 Aug 2017 #71

Be wary of anybody who says, "They're likely a troll." Jim Lane Aug 2017 #72

+100 applegrove Aug 2017 #76

Thank you. I don't know who they are, elleng Aug 2017 #77

All I care about is getting more Dems in every office in 2018. herding cats Aug 2017 #83

I think Bernie has been a vehicle BainsBane Aug 2017 #88

He has had time to talk about how bad the Democratic Party is but not the terrible stuff the lunasun Aug 2017 #103

The uniformity of the script is unmistakable BainsBane Aug 2017 #105

Some parts of Trump must appeal to them .look they claim to be left of the mainstream Dems lunasun Aug 2017 #107

Name calling is also part of the problem mythology Aug 2017 #90

I think Bernie Sanders is a big part of the problem. nt DoodAbides Aug 2017 #96

The problem is populism Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #112

Populism isn't bad standingtall Aug 2017 #114

When in human history has Populism turned out well when Populist movements have taken power? Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #115

The new deal was a populist movement standingtall Aug 2017 #116

No, the New Deal wasn't a populist movement Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #121

Defintion of populism is a message that appeals to the common people standingtall Aug 2017 #122

No, that is not the way political science uses the term. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #123

I value linguistics over how poitical science choses to use the term standingtall Aug 2017 #124

No, it involved an attack on so-called "elites" in the name of "common people"... Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #125

Because "actual definitions" actually differ, lapucelle Aug 2017 #142

This is a VERY interesting subthread and could be promoted. /nt philly_bob Aug 2017 #149

Trolls and bots stir the shit. Orsino Aug 2017 #119

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #138

Also a violation of DU's Terms of Service. Flying Squirrel Aug 2017 #140

OP is about Bernie or Busters and alt-right Trolls pretending to support Bernie. You aren't either. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #144

This is a perfect example LWolf Aug 2017 #150

Just saw on AMJoy that there was a 5300% increase on Russian bot and troll R B Garr Aug 2017 #152

The insistence on defending bots, alt-right trolls posing as Sanders supporters, and delusional emulatorloo Aug 2017 #153

I believe you are right! The BernieBots are either alt.right trolls TheDebbieDee Aug 2017 #154