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scheming daemons

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Wed Aug 16, 2017, 09:31 AM Aug 2017

I'm going to state an unpopular view here: Romney and McCain are decent men [View all]


Their political views were (and are) wrong. I disagree with each on 99% of their policy agendas.

But they weren't bad people with evil in their hearts.

They lost the Presidential races simply because they were running against a better candidate in Barack Obama.

Either of them would've been OK as President following Obama's 8 years. We would've had policy battles with them, but we never would have had to worry about them hiring *ACTUAL* Nazis, or defending *ACTUAL* White Supremacists, of actually colluding with a foreign enemy.

During the election campaigns of 2008 and 2012, we portrayed them as unacceptable choices, because that's what happens in a campaign that's a binary choice. You have to demonize your opponent.

But both men are patriots, and if either had become President, the Republic would've been OK. We'd not be as far along on some things as we'd want to be, but we wouldn't be where we are today.

They are men of good will, who we disagreed with on policy.

But they aren't monsters. Today, we have a monster in the White House.

I'd be able to sleep at night if Mitt Romney was my President right now. I'd probably be fighting against his tax cut policies and other ways he'd be helping the richest of the rich.... but I wouldn't be seeing the very fabric of our nation being ripped to shreds in front of the world. I wouldn't be worried about bumbling into World War III. I wouldn't be worried that Russia had komromat on our President.

I'm not sorry I voted against either man, because Barack Obama was a superior candidate in every possible way.

But I'm sorry that neither man was the GOP nominee in 2016. I would've still voted for Hillary, but at least I wouldn't be watching our nation collapse in front of my eyes if they would've defeated her.

Both men are key to the resistance right now. Both men are calling Trump out by name. Both men are patriots. And I gladly welcome both men into the Resistance.
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Oh yeah SHRED Aug 2017 #1
Romney has explicitly stated that he did NOT vote for Trump. scheming daemons Aug 2017 #2
Romney interviewed for the job of Secretary of State under Trump. yardwork Aug 2017 #10
Yes... to mitigate the disaster that Trump represents. scheming daemons Aug 2017 #14
I doubt that was Romney's reason. yardwork Aug 2017 #49
I've got such mixed feeling about taking the positions under him.../ bettyellen Aug 2017 #82
On McCain sweetloukillbot Aug 2017 #37
I can agree about Romney, for the most part. McCain is just more decent than most GOP Siwsan Aug 2017 #3
"more decent than most GOP" is who we need on our side in order to win scheming daemons Aug 2017 #5
Oh, absolutely I agree with you, on that. Siwsan Aug 2017 #16
trump's lowering of the bar doesn't suddenly make them acceptable, just a little more preferable NightWatcher Aug 2017 #4
That's exactly my point. At least the Republic would survive their 4 years. scheming daemons Aug 2017 #9
Decency has a low bar these days Blaukraut Aug 2017 #6
Would the US have survived their time in office? Yes. scheming daemons Aug 2017 #11
Sorry, but McCain and Romney compromised themselves. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2017 #7
I disagree that the country would have been ok if they had become president. yardwork Aug 2017 #8
I agree with you completely. Bluepinky Aug 2017 #44
Meh.... both were perfectly OK aligning with bigots when it served their purposes. Plus Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2017 #12
Romney talked shit during the campaign, and did NOT vote for Trump. scheming daemons Aug 2017 #13
Then he went groveling for a job. I don't know what exactly is that Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2017 #19
Would you feel better about NK if Romney was S.o.S. instead of Tillerson? scheming daemons Aug 2017 #21
No. Because in the end neither of these 2 clowns would really be in charge. Bottom Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2017 #26
Romney was raised as a member of a racist cult. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #29
Romney was not raised to be racist by his parents. Is harry reid racist ? JI7 Aug 2017 #40
I lived in Utah for 5 years. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #42
There are republicans who are decent human beings Gothmog Aug 2017 #15
Neither would I. scheming daemons Aug 2017 #18
True that they are not monsters like Trump dalton99a Aug 2017 #17
I agree. Don't think either is evil, but extremely misguided on some issues. sinkingfeeling Aug 2017 #20
GOP is the same as Nazi Not Ruth Aug 2017 #22
Really? EX500rider Aug 2017 #50
There were 12 years when the Nazi party existed and there were no concentration camps Not Ruth Aug 2017 #68
Actually, no. EX500rider Aug 2017 #69
Nazi party started in 1920, with Hitler the head in 1921 Not Ruth Aug 2017 #71
But they didn't get into power until 1933. EX500rider Aug 2017 #83
come on, we don't need this kind of language here steve2470 Aug 2017 #72
Agreed. This is hyperbole True Dough Aug 2017 #80
We all knew who Trump(R) was a long time ago, and I didn't see either one yelling it from Squinch Aug 2017 #23
Actually, Romney *WAS* yelling it from the rooftops before the election scheming daemons Aug 2017 #28
He was making polite statements of disagreement. It was something, but to me it's not Squinch Aug 2017 #38
I don't disagree at all alcibiades_mystery Aug 2017 #24
No. Like other Repubs in power, they have long supported and still do support tblue37 Aug 2017 #25
WORD! dgibby Aug 2017 #84
I may never forgive Republicans treestar Aug 2017 #27
A decent man or woman would be calling for Trump's impeachment. DLevine Aug 2017 #30
They are better than the orange nightmare that Bettie Aug 2017 #31
Decent - only in comparison to Cheat-O Benito Cirque du So-What Aug 2017 #32
They're on the record signing onto a whole lot of evil shit. Orsino Aug 2017 #33
All I'll say is that you can work with them on some issues joeybee12 Aug 2017 #34
Trump has given us a new measuring stick by which to compare politicians-- Mrs. Overall Aug 2017 #35
I think Romney is better than McCain, IMO (by a long shot) AlexSFCA Aug 2017 #36
I'd sure rather have Romney or McCain in office right now. Hoyt Aug 2017 #39
I agree JI7 Aug 2017 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author CentralMass Aug 2017 #43
Unless they support his impeachment and removal, they are not decent men. LonePirate Aug 2017 #45
McCain often disappoints JonLP24 Aug 2017 #46
If the Republic is going to survive, we'll need people like Romney and McCain... First Speaker Aug 2017 #47
Exactly. If Trump is going to go down, it will take Republican help. scheming daemons Aug 2017 #52
It looks like the forces behind Trump have achieved their goal of pushing the political jalan48 Aug 2017 #48
I agree with you get the red out Aug 2017 #51
Romney I think is just brainwashed. But McCain I don't think is a good person at all. He is a SweetieD Aug 2017 #53
Fiction writiers have a device for making bad people look good in a novel. Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #54
I don't disagree at all. scheming daemons Aug 2017 #55
Very true. Replacing an insane evil person with a merely evil person is an "improvement". n/t Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #57
We need both of them and many others to scream at the top of their lungs to stop Trump nini Aug 2017 #56
Trump has compelled many of us to lower the standards of what we consider decent LanternWaste Aug 2017 #58
if they are decent men, then during the election cycle they would have said: gopiscrap Aug 2017 #59
Yeah, no. Iggo Aug 2017 #60
Yeah. Like all those good and decent people Jakes Progress Aug 2017 #61
McCain is a decent if unstable guy. Romney is a lizard who will say *anything* Azathoth Aug 2017 #62
Until they call for Trump's impeachment workinclasszero Aug 2017 #63
No, oswaldactedalone Aug 2017 #64
I find it hilarious Dreamer Tatum Aug 2017 #65
The GOP keeps putting up worse and worse candidates in an effort to rehabilitate their previous Aristus Aug 2017 #66
They both pandered to racist groups when they ran for President krawhitham Aug 2017 #67
It's the only way they win elections now Retrograde Aug 2017 #74
Relative to Trump, yes. On their own merits? Up for debate. Caliman73 Aug 2017 #70
I think they are saner men. I've seen McCain's conscience tug at him more than once, but at the end JCanete Aug 2017 #73
I'll say the same thing for Gerald Ford-the last GOP president never to pander to white backlash. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #75
No! atreides1 Aug 2017 #76
John McCain is the biggest fake in history. Watch what he does, NOT WHAT HE SAYS. BamaRefugee Aug 2017 #77
I'll give you a pass on McCain needledriver Aug 2017 #78
Unfortunately, they don't let their decency stand in the way of getting ahead Maeve Aug 2017 #79
Thank you Hekate Aug 2017 #81
I've heard that McCain is kind of a jerk. I will, however, add someone way more controversial. Bleacher Creature Aug 2017 #85
They may not have hired Nazis or White Supremacists, dgibby Aug 2017 #86
I never disliked either of them elfin Aug 2017 #87
They're great guys unless WhiteTara Aug 2017 #88
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