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OBenario4

(252 posts)
Sat Aug 19, 2017, 02:10 PM Aug 2017

The Thing About Beyonce's Feminism [View all]

If Beyoncé says she is a feminist, well, she is a feminist. It would be just stupid to argue against that. But Beyoncé’s feminism, which is projected out to the world by way of the mass media, isn’t without its criticism, just like Katy Perry, Lily Allen, Miley Cyrus, Madonna and other pop culture fem-positive artists being perpetuated as girl power entertainment. They too feel validated in their feminism and have face stiff critique because of it. And fear of the white feminist gaze, and stan (blink, blink) be damned, I, who too revels in anti-sexism and anti-racism, am going to speak on it, sister to sister.

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The Beyoncé we see on the visual album is about power. She is also about sexual liberation, control and self-ownership, which all are the backbones of most feminist ideologies. However, there are other themes on the album, which often run counter to those ideas as well. As mentioned by many casual listeners, there is the misappropriation of Ike and Tina Turner domestic abuse by Jay Z, which adds a bitter pill to the lovemaking in “Drunk in Love.” And there’s the groan-inducing factor in “Partition” while watching Beyoncé, a black woman, dancing around in a cage with leopard spotted lights all over her body. However, more notable, is how much of the Beyoncé visual album becomes a pageantry of opulence and extravagance. Both through song and visuals, we see Beyoncé toasting up all sorts of caviar dreams and champagne wishes, including the following: being surrounded by butlers and maids; unapologetically riding private jets and being draped in diamonds, furs and exclusive and hard-to-pronounce labels. Through her self-empowering message, Beyoncé wants us to know that she is not just a boss, but queen. She is not just a queen, but a king. Oh yeah, and she is not just a king, but a rich one as well. In essence, this visual album is as much about Beyoncé affirming herself among society’s aristocrats and one-percent as much as it is about her feminism. And while there is girl power, it’s at the expense of what other girls and boys?

In the video for “Partition” she, just for fun, drops a napkin for the attention of her preoccupied husband. However, when either fails to fetch it, a silent maid dutifully dashes from across the room and retrieves it for her mistress, who doesn’t even bother to make eye contact. She repeats the same playful, yet carefree debasing imagery again in the video for “Haunted,” where an indifferent Beyoncé takes a single drag off of a cigarette and then tosses it at the feet of the same upscale hotel employee, who had dutifully lit the cigarette and once she is gone, will likely have to clean up her ashes. And in “Flawless,” which has been taken by many as the new black feminist anthem, Beyoncé doesn’t offer camaraderie and solidarity for aspiring women, but instead divisively boasts the lyrics, “I know when you were little girls. You dreamt of being in my world. Don’t forget it, don’t forget it. Respect that, bow down b***hes…” In fact, many of Beyoncé’s themes of self-empowerment involves little attempt to dismantle or challenge in any way, the hierarchy, which says that some folks, regardless of gender, are more important than others. The same hierarchy, which brings about the vicious racism, classism and yes, even sexism, which disempowers economically, politically and socially the equally hardworking, and unrecognized feminists.

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It’s interesting that the Beyoncé visual album, with its proclamations of self-empowerment, comes after noted black entertainer and activist Harry Belafonte criticized both Beyoncé and her husband Shawn “Jay Z” Carter for what he called unbridled capitalism, particularly turning their backs on social responsibility. Thus far, Jay Z has responded with Magna Carter Holy Grail, which included a song that disrespectfully referred to Belafonte as “Mr. Day-O” and “boy.” Carter also responded to Belafonte’s comments on social responsibility more directly in an interview by saying in part, “My presence is charity.” Beyoncé, however, hasn’t said much in the way of what she believes her social responsibility is as an artist. This visual album, doesn’t offer any response in the way of clarity, and for some folks, her social responsibility is a very important thing.

And I suspect for many critics, it is probably a more relevant question than whether or not Beyoncé is a feminist. Or if there is a question of Beyonce’s feminism, how does her feminist image of sexy girl power, particularly as it exists at the intersection of wealth, power and even privilege, work to help bring about a more egalitarian society? There is no shortage of musical artists, both women and men, willing to brag and boast about their positions of power and wealth. And yet, none of them, or us, are any freer. As such, it’s not enough that we as women and/or feminists just “lean in”; we must work to dismantle our oppression as well.

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http://madamenoire.com/333140/beyonce-feminism/

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Interesting... can we name any rock bands we expected the same from? No, but we demand she be every bettyellen Aug 2017 #1
Problem is selling... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #3
And who appointed you arbiter leftynyc Aug 2017 #12
Who said I was appointed as "arbiter"? OBenario4 Aug 2017 #17
How about treating them leftynyc Aug 2017 #48
Stop pretending she's been oppressed by these threads. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #60
Why are you shoving words leftynyc Aug 2017 #100
You do not get to dictate how people express their sexuality. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #13
Nobody is obliged to like Beyonce's stance on feminism. Deal with it. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #16
non sequitur and strawman. You do not get to dictate how people express their sexuality emulatorloo Aug 2017 #21
You don't get to dictate what I'm allowed to discuss or not, honey. Sorry. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #23
Discuss whatever you want. Just don't be surprised or act like a "victim" when you get pushback emulatorloo Aug 2017 #25
As long as they focus on the arguments and not personal attacks on the messengers, ok. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #33
Ah yes you poor poor poor victim emulatorloo Aug 2017 #40
Oh please, men have sang about no much but getting drunk high and fucking bettyellen Aug 2017 #65
This Is Just Because SHE Bought A 95 MIllion Dollar House Me. Aug 2017 #52
Nice, a gatekeeper to tell us which women aren't true feminists(tm) emulatorloo Aug 2017 #2
It's a forum. And this is a piece of opinion which I agree with. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #4
I just contested it. And said pretty much all that needs to be said. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #8
Oh, sorry. Thought you were just trying to disqualify criticism by attacking the person... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #11
Who said Beyonc is a goddess above good and evil? Nobody. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #19
It's what looks like when you get all offended... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #20
My replies to you are not about Beyonc. They are about you attempting to dictate to feminists emulatorloo Aug 2017 #24
Don't remember "dictating" anything to anyone. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #27
Nah, i'm sensitive to folk who think they have the moral authority to judge other people's feminism emulatorloo Aug 2017 #39
Amen... Skidmore Aug 2017 #85
+1 for the strawman comment. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #86
It is a liberal forum, not Mansplaining Underground obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #30
I would have to be a man for this to be "mansplaining", dear. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #35
Again with the Beyonce criticism? mcar Aug 2017 #5
Yep. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #6
Yeah you're pretty obvious emulatorloo Aug 2017 #9
and you had to use a really old article too... Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #51
It is a 4 year old article. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #54
Yes, the recent discussion involving her happened yesterday, not 4 years ago. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #55
Aaaah. sheshe2 Aug 2017 #62
"Involving" not envolving. bettyellen Aug 2017 #70
Thanks. Corrected. Hope you don't hang out with those nice "speak English" type of people... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #73
We can always hope for the latter. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #87
From a 2013 article no less. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #7
I don't see any problem with that. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #10
It makes about as much sense as last week's Thom Hartmann adulation. lapucelle Aug 2017 #15
You noticed too, eh? Good to see that I'm not the ONLY one who's suspicious. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #28
I Bow To Your Greater Wisdom Me. Aug 2017 #74
With wisdom comes... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #89
It is so obvious obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #31
Hartmann, GOOD! Beyonce, BAD! lapucelle Aug 2017 #42
fuck trump... stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #14
We are only supposed to focus on Trump when folks criticize Bill Maher for using the N word. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #18
You know that we can discuss both media's aristocracism and Trump at the same time, right? OBenario4 Aug 2017 #22
"aristocracism"? lapucelle Aug 2017 #49
But that's the context, indeed. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #63
Your dubious source is misusing the word "aristocrat". lapucelle Aug 2017 #93
. stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #72
I am really done with your attacks on Beyonce and her success obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #26
I'm a woman. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #29
lulz obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #32
I've imagined that would be everything you'd have to say. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #34
lulz obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #36
Really. Grow up. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #37
You REALLY need to work on your act better obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #38
So now you are telling ME that I'm not a woman? Wow. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #41
Hartmann, GOOD! Beyonce, Harris, Booker, Patrick, ALL BAD! lapucelle Aug 2017 #43
+1 emulatorloo Aug 2017 #95
One of these things... lapucelle Aug 2017 #97
IMHO this persona is way OTT on the "I'm leftier than thou" personality trait emulatorloo Aug 2017 #98
This article is from 2013 oberliner Aug 2017 #44
Because the OP has spent the last 24 hours posting about Beyonce obamanut2012 Aug 2017 #69
"Not feminist enough" is so 2010 blogslut Aug 2017 #45
Dude, WTF ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #46
your OP seems so familiar are you from California ? stonecutter357 Aug 2017 #47
welcome to Du... Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #50
Another anti Beyonce thread, first, her new house is too big.... Bladewire Aug 2017 #53
Yes, quite weird when someone brings a subject to attention and other people end up bringing... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #56
We have so far more than 50 replies... OBenario4 Aug 2017 #57
No ones taking you seriously, there's no reason to. We're just watching the shit being stirred. bettyellen Aug 2017 #66
Ok. Doesn't change the fact that the response has been childish and irrational. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #67
You're quite deliberately insulting the majority of DUers. LOL we see you! bettyellen Aug 2017 #68
Ownt. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #71
Yay! The "Poor Me I'm Just a Poor Victim" card again emulatorloo Aug 2017 #96
And strawman arguments. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #90
Everyone's a critic Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #58
I'll bookmark this so I can read it after Trump is out of the White House Miles Archer Aug 2017 #59
. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #61
Okay... Warren DeMontague Aug 2017 #64
wondering about the reaction bigtree Aug 2017 #75
I think it's also a bizarre expectation you'll never see put on white male artists- bettyellen Aug 2017 #77
"we must work to dismantle our oppression as well" Bladewire Aug 2017 #76
Nobody said she was. Read the text. n/t OBenario4 Aug 2017 #78
I did read the text Bladewire Aug 2017 #79
No, I just agree with it. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #82
☝️righton 👍 Bladewire Aug 2017 #84
Beyonce is a Capitalist more than anything else. Yavin4 Aug 2017 #80
Thank you. OBenario4 Aug 2017 #81
"Isn't without its criticism." Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #83
I'm defending Beyonce and I'm not a huge fan of hers and never bought anything she sells JI7 Aug 2017 #88
Big part of it. Right here. Nt Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #91
Me too. I cannot name a single song by her. Adrahil Aug 2017 #92
cuz trolls. mopinko Aug 2017 #94
Yep. My post above emulatorloo Aug 2017 #99
Deliberate shit stirring against women and POC- who vote Dem reliably- but that's not enough. bettyellen Aug 2017 #101
So Beyonce does a version of Madonna's "Material Girl" and gets slammed for it? Wounded Bear Aug 2017 #102
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