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149. Short memory? The caucuses that Sanders won were a point of divisiveness. They were...

Tue Aug 29, 2017, 09:16 PM

Aug 2017

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much discussed here as being suppressive of working peoples votes and parents votes with no childcare who can't spend 4-5 hours at a caucus. Most agreed that caucus are an archaic, outdated form of voting rooted in small towns but not suited to today's fast-paced, busy world. They benefit those who can take off for hours from work and those who don't have to work.

Primaries are much preferred as people can take the 15 minutes it takes to vote in primaries after work or even before work, maybe even during lunch hour.

Open primaries OTOH just open the party up to skullduggery by allowing people who may not have the best interests of the Democratic party participation in our candidate selection.

Who wants that? Not allowing that is a no-brainer.

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Hash tag NO CAUCUSES! Caucuses equal DEMS BASE VOTER SUPPRESSION. [View all] Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 OP

All About The Base: Why Open Primaries and Caucuses Are a Terrible Idea Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #1

If you need a babysitter to go caucus that means your babysitter is SOL. He or she cannot go. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #6

OPEN PRIMARIES means RATFUCKING Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #8

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!! tonyt53 Aug 2017 #29

The "logic" in the article is amusing mythology Aug 2017 #48

I want to make it easy for our BASE to vote. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author lostnfound Aug 2017 #71

How does a closed primary aquamarina Aug 2017 #94

They get to get in and out. Plus some states got early or absentee voting Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #99

I have no idea what you are trying to argue. aquamarina Aug 2017 #101

Ahhh...the open primary argument mostly made by non-Dems. brush Aug 2017 #64

I am not a member of the Dem aquamarina Aug 2017 #96

The big tent includes left, center and even blue dog democrats. DEMOCRATS. brush Aug 2017 #100

I prefer not to be a member of a political party. aquamarina Aug 2017 #102

So you didn't want to stay involved and help change what you didn't like? brush Aug 2017 #104

I most definitely did make a decision and fortunately aquamarina Aug 2017 #107

"I am in California and as long as my state allows open primaries..." lapucelle Aug 2017 #130

Yes, you are correct and I mis-spoke in my statement aquamarina Aug 2017 #132

It was not an open primary. lapucelle Aug 2017 #136

The OP asks whether or not aquamarina Aug 2017 #139

I'm a long time party member and volunteer. lapucelle Aug 2017 #143

I guess everyone has their own strategy. aquamarina Aug 2017 #146

But romana Aug 2017 #129

Well I would ask, aquamarina Aug 2017 #131

I agree with you fallout87 Aug 2017 #152

Thank you and I agree. aquamarina Aug 2017 #154

And my personal favorite: fallout87 Aug 2017 #155

Thanks for breaking this all down. Good post. brush Aug 2017 #61

Or, in cold states, a cold winter night, with possible icy roads question everything Aug 2017 #76

The timing of the caucuses in Washington state clearly favors college students. LisaM Aug 2017 #106

There has fallout87 Aug 2017 #153

How about they try to bridge the divide? LisaM Aug 2017 #156

closed primaries would be best. imho. riversedge Aug 2017 #2

Absolutely. Only DEMS choosing the DEM candidate. Wanna vote? You are free to REGISTER Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #3

Why is it so hard for some people to comprehend this? tonyt53 Aug 2017 #31

Yes please! Closed primaries. NO caucuses. And... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #4

They have free time to go to a caucus but not to register! LOL! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #5

But keep the superdelegates? n/t NotASurfer Aug 2017 #7

Many of us like them! Deal! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #9

Because..? NotASurfer Aug 2017 #23

Yes. This, too. Thank you! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #17

I'm actually down with that... Wounded Bear Aug 2017 #39

absolutely !!! Especially after Red Don ... why is this even a question? thx in advance uponit7771 Aug 2017 #51

That's an easy one. If the repugs had had superdelegates, they wouldn't have avoided trump... brush Aug 2017 #66

Good, but not every state reguires you to register as a member of a political party. FSogol Aug 2017 #10

In California aquamarina Aug 2017 #98

I'm OK with no caucuses, but fuck superdelegates and I prefer open primaries. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #11

OPEN PRIMARIES means RATFUCKING from NON DEM FRIENDS . No thank you Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #13

There aren't enough rat fuckers to warrant disenfranchising genuine left-leaning independents. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #15

Disenfranchising my arse! LOL! Register Register Register. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #16

No need to Register Register Register as a Democrat with open primaries. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #28

We disagree. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #41

The point is Democrats voting in Democratic primaries. Not ratfuckers try to influence our... brush Aug 2017 #73

"Open primaries and caucuses gave us the divisiveness we experienced in 2016" aikoaiko Aug 2017 #126

Short memory? The caucuses that Sanders won were a point of divisiveness. They were... brush Aug 2017 #149

We're bordering on refighting the primary so I'll back off. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #150

Yes they do! tonyt53 Aug 2017 #33

LOL! That's not what "disenfranchising" means. The price one pays for the vanity of... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #19

Disenfranchisement doesn't have to be absolute to be disenfranchising. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #27

Oh, stop it! As it applies to THIS topic, there is NO "disenfranchisement" going on when... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #52

Exactly. nt Blue_true Aug 2017 #142

If they're allies let them vote Dem in the general. Democrats should pick Democratic candidates. brush Aug 2017 #75

We could do that but we run the risk of alienating our allies aikoaiko Aug 2017 #110

Versus allowing our non-allies to pull dirty tricks in voting in our primaries? brush Aug 2017 #117

I don't think requiring D membership is going to stop dirty tricks in primaries. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #125

Thank you for saying this! tonyt53 Aug 2017 #36

I especially liked how you supported your premise with objective, peer-reviewed analysis LanternWaste Aug 2017 #53

wasn't there a recent survey NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #70

I think neither choice is right. FourScore Aug 2017 #91

I said many of those 12% NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #108

Yes, but its possible that none of them were ratfuckers. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #127

I'd love to see your source for that "fact." brer cat Aug 2017 #121

I'm not saying it can't happen in a small district in the south, aikoaiko Aug 2017 #128

If you are left leaning, register Dem. Blue_true Aug 2017 #141

Nah, you get right-leaning independents and ratfuckers with open primaries... brush Aug 2017 #69

I agree completely with your points. aquamarina Aug 2017 #93

What is wrong with declaring a party when you register? Blue_true Aug 2017 #140

I suppose I shouldn't expect fierce Democratic party loyalists to understand the ambivalence aikoaiko Aug 2017 #144

If you don't like the rules, create your own party. Blue_true Aug 2017 #145

Or we can be inclusive and allow open primaries. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #147

I disagree. True Democrats should choose the party nominee. Blue_true Aug 2017 #148

I'm fine with getting rid of caucuses but closed primaries are a terribly short sighted idea phleshdef Aug 2017 #12

Closed Primary means REGISTER! Oh no! The calamity! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #14

You have to register in an open primary too. phleshdef Aug 2017 #20

I actually use open primaries to vote in the Republican primary Pope George Ringo II Aug 2017 #68

I think a lot more RWers cross over to vote Democrat NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #72

Probably true. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2017 #87

I have never read a convincing argument in favor of open primaries Orrex Aug 2017 #18

Open primaries are a very effective party recruiting tool phleshdef Aug 2017 #21

Suuuuuuure! I prefer registering as part of recruiting! - nice try. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #24

You keep repeating the lie that you don't have to register to vote phleshdef Aug 2017 #57

You mean people that register on the way in & change their registration on the way out. NO THANKS Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #59

Thats some mythical bullshit you are bathing yourself in there phleshdef Aug 2017 #60

"Bullshit"and "Puritanical"" Obsession" too? woah! LOL! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #63

Bolding my posts and using a lot of caps doesn't strengthen your argument in the slightest. phleshdef Aug 2017 #67

Nah I was just impressed with your tactics. Reminded me of a wonderful year called 2016 Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #79

I don't have "tactics". I have insight. You should give it a spin sometime. phleshdef Aug 2017 #80

Yep that's the word for it! In sight full. I see you- sincere DEM you Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #85

Insight, no space. phleshdef Aug 2017 #113

I reject that fairy tale entirely Orrex Aug 2017 #26

I reject your rejection as it isn't born out by any facts phleshdef Aug 2017 #58

Your fairy tale is short hand for "abolish primaries altogether" Orrex Aug 2017 #62

Your fairy tale is "lets rely on a base of 31% of Americans" to win elections. phleshdef Aug 2017 #65

Of course, that is absolutely not my view Orrex Aug 2017 #83

My argument is very convincing for those that actually understand Obama's 2008 victory. You do not. phleshdef Aug 2017 #112

Well, I'll give you this much: Orrex Aug 2017 #114

I condescend to those who deserve to be condescended to. phleshdef Aug 2017 #115

Golly! Orrex Aug 2017 #116

My state (VA) doesn't have a mechanism for registering with a party. FSogol Aug 2017 #46

Yeah, I recall that from the past primary season Orrex Aug 2017 #54

I wouldn't mind a open primary, but changing the Commonwealth's election law is much FSogol Aug 2017 #81

Yeah, that's a good point Orrex Aug 2017 #84

In VA, the GOP is deathly afraid liberals will vote in their primaries. FSogol Aug 2017 #88

*NO* caucuses, ABSOLUTELY!1 They are a drag on the process, are indeed SUPPRESSION UTUSN Aug 2017 #22

Yes, end cacuses and limit primaries to registered Democrats. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #25

Yep! I find it suspect people saying otherwise. WTF that about. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #32

This is called "learnin'!" yallerdawg Aug 2017 #30

??? Say more... Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #35

Our loss in the 2016 presidential election started in the primary. yallerdawg Aug 2017 #44

Yep! Lesson learned! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #47

Open Primary Operation Chaos Freddie Aug 2017 #34

Makes sense. Wondering why some people don't seem to care about that. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #38

Thank you for remembering this NewJeffCT Aug 2017 #74

Caucuses had a lot to do with Obama winning the nomination in 2008. yellowcanine Aug 2017 #37

I caucused for Obama in 08 and Sanders in 16. Both benefited from the caucus system. Yet I still TacoD Aug 2017 #43

End caucuses, end superdelegates, allow same-day registration. TacoD Aug 2017 #40

Agreed on all but ending super delegates. If the repugs had had super delegates... brush Aug 2017 #77

i used to defend out states caucuses. I loved them..so grassroots...but after last year... samnsara Aug 2017 #42

While I agree with the OP, I think it will be difficult to achieve, since states choose how they still_one Aug 2017 #45

Yes, but important to let it known that caucuses are suppressing our base voters who work, etc Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #49

No doubt about it. It discriminates against people who are not mobile or who cannot get to the still_one Aug 2017 #82

and adverse to paying for it nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #86

Another reason why those states may be adverse to it still_one Aug 2017 #92

I agree that caucuses make it difficult for many people to participate. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #55

Locking out all the Independent voters in closed primaries would backfire. procon Aug 2017 #56

This is pretty simple, really..... Adrahil Aug 2017 #90

No,not really. aquamarina Aug 2017 #109

That is a different question.... Adrahil Aug 2017 #119

Well I think it is a big problem that only two political parties aquamarina Aug 2017 #120

So you refuse to join the party... Adrahil Aug 2017 #122

No, I simply do not feel aquamarina Aug 2017 #124

I couldn't join the party if I wanted to. My state doesn't have party registration. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #137

For the daily rehash GaryCnf Aug 2017 #78

Time makes a difference of whether you bring your kids or not. Or need non-voting babysitter. Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #89

Wow, you really have no concept GaryCnf Aug 2017 #95

Wow to your wow! You don't know me. You sincere caring person you! Madam45for2923 Aug 2017 #97

Somehow it seems nicer GaryCnf Aug 2017 #105

K&R mcar Aug 2017 #103

That is what let the third party people into our party. redstatebluegirl Aug 2017 #111

ABSOLUTELY!!! No More undemocratic caucuses! lunamagica Aug 2017 #118

I agree wholeheartedly. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #123

Most states have state, not party, regulations. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #133

No kidding. But some people............. tonyt53 Aug 2017 #151

The problem with eliminating caucuses and closed primaries LiberalFighter Aug 2017 #134

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #135

Here is my take. Blue_true Aug 2017 #138