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nocalflea

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19. Call me pollyanna.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sun Sep 3, 2017, 09:35 AM

Sep 2017

I'm having a different experience. The anti-Trump republicans I have met on social media believe in consensus and compromise and understand that they are integral to a healthy democracy. These folks want their country, OUR country back, too. This gives me hope.

The ugliness we are witnessing now is distressing but not insurmountable. We will put this corrupt administration and their allies in congress and elsewhere out of business. We will reclaim OUR country.
And we will do this with anti-Trump republicans by our side.

I refuse to let Trump, Putin, McConnell,Ryan or anyone else destroy my faith in my country, my faith in the bedrock principles this country was founded on and my faith in my fellow citizens.

Buck up, my friends. It's always darkest before the dawn.

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Trump has changed my world view in a profound way. [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 OP

Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2017 #1

My history professor remarked its actually frightening to think that anyone could become president. olegramps Sep 2017 #31

Thank you for your astute summary! I am concerned about the rise of an authoritarian RKP5637 Sep 2017 #57

He has also taught me that the Constitution is a piece of paper. Dave Starsky Sep 2017 #2

We still have a semblance of checks and balances DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #3

His own party Scarsdale Sep 2017 #29

They're just getting started. Dave Starsky Sep 2017 #30

Even SCOTUS is not immune from political pressure. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #34

You take a chance with the populace electing a powerful leader rock Sep 2017 #4

I thought the Electoral College was supposed to be a brake on electing a lunatic. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #5

True rock Sep 2017 #17

We are a republic or a representative democracy. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #18

But all of these Electors come from individual states. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #55

He has destroyed my faith in all that is decent in this world. smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #6

Destroyed? Well, maybe except for... KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2017 #15

Excellent point. smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #16

Yes! KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2017 #21

Nothing short of a complete revolution can undo this clusterfuck. smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #23

Republicans -- at least over the last 30 years -- luvtheGWN Sep 2017 #25

They are not in politics to be Politicians, snort Sep 2017 #43

Truly well said!!! onecent Sep 2017 #7

That makes a lot of sense, but I learned in the Civil War, if you can't avoid fighting your brother Not Ruth Sep 2017 #8

I've lost all faith jimmil Sep 2017 #9

I totally agree with your brilliant point, unfortunately. (N/t) bronxiteforever Sep 2017 #10

Bill Maher said he has taught us a great lesson. ProgressiveValue Sep 2017 #11

Opened my eyes to my naivety... N_E_1 for Tennis Sep 2017 #12

Do not expect Scarsdale Sep 2017 #32

NO! No, no, no! You can't lose faith! Yes. We are in a terrible time. Yes, Squinch Sep 2017 #13

You're speaking my language. Thank you. nocalflea Sep 2017 #22

Prior to the advent of Trump... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #27

Exactly. Scarsdale Sep 2017 #37

But what we have to learn is that this is not what it means at all to be an American. Squinch Sep 2017 #48

The core problem is - RandomAccess Sep 2017 #14

The gop showed their intentions Scarsdale Sep 2017 #38

Did you intend this for another thread? RandomAccess Sep 2017 #40

Just one example Scarsdale Sep 2017 #50

Call me pollyanna. nocalflea Sep 2017 #19

My belief in America died with the election kairos12 Sep 2017 #20

I am also profoundly saddened by BlueMTexpat Sep 2017 #24

Well said. Same here. paleotn Sep 2017 #26

me too, I'm a bit jealous of countries with mentally stable Leaders & now understand how Ivan the Sunlei Sep 2017 #28

It is astounding how Scarsdale Sep 2017 #41

Republicans love Their Leader who rules by fear. FU Republican party! Sunlei Sep 2017 #44

Yep, very disappointed in my fellow Americans. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #33

Rethugs are hell bent on laissez faire capitalism njhoneybadger Sep 2017 #35

He who will not be named, the Republican establishment, paleotn Sep 2017 #36

If all it takes is the election of an odious pig like Donald Trump to break a person's attachment Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #39

I am glad that you agree with me that Trump is an "odious pig." DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #42

Your thinly veiled attack on Dianne Feinstein (repeated for the umteenth time) is based... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #46

How did my heartfelt thread turn into a discussion of the senior senator from the Golden State? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #47

Due to the (how many is is now?) threads you've started in the past few days... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #49

It is really sad you are using this forum to besmirch my reputation. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #58

No one is respossible for your reputation other than yourself. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #59

My reputation is intact. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #60

If you feel that way, why the protests? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #62

I feel like I am in some parallel universe. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #64

I'd suggest you explore why you feel that way. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #66

I suggest you look to all ... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #67

Personally, I don't consider "Recs" when approaching issues of morality... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #68

I try my DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #70

You really do live in a parallel universe. LOL. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #71

Perhaps DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #73

I think advocating for reason, problem-solving, and consensus... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #74

Round and round and round we go. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #75

Since you stated in your OP that Donald Trump has... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #77

I think the OP was expressing that many of us feel from time to time Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #78

No, to the contrary... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #79

I totally agree Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #80

I applaud your efforts and am endeavoring to chart the same course. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #81

... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #82

For starters Scarsdale Sep 2017 #45

Seems like rational problem-solving at its best! Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #52

Sadly, me too. cilla4progress Sep 2017 #51

This great American experiment Erda Sep 2017 #53

so you saw a lot of consensus building from 2010 to 2016? hfojvt Sep 2017 #54

My friend. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #63

that sounds like hyperbole to me hfojvt Sep 2017 #76

Nine percent of Americans say neo-Nazi or white supremacist views are acceptable: survey DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #84

Do you think that saying a view is "acceptable" hfojvt Sep 2017 #85

Holding Neo-Nazis and white supremacist views are unacceptable. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #86

you've been telling me you're a genius since you were 17 hfojvt Sep 2017 #87

A person is free to believe whatever he or she wants. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #88

I don't see how those two statements reconcile hfojvt Sep 2017 #89

Not me ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #56

he showed me that our electorate is more fickle and our institutions more fragile than i'd believed 0rganism Sep 2017 #61

Reasoning it what is used when things don't work as they normally do nolabels Sep 2017 #65

but they have all the guns. IAMSPARTICUS Sep 2017 #69

Great post DSB. You have explained so well what I feel lunamagica Sep 2017 #72

My postscript as well. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #83