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PoindexterOglethorpe

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136. And such an overewhelming number of forms

Mon Sep 4, 2017, 11:50 PM

Sep 2017

would NOT speed things up. It would slow them down. Meanwhile, the people you are so concerned about would still be subject to deportation, and no closer to getting a green card, let alone citizenship.

And you are beyond silly in your thinking. The marriage itself isn't exactly subject to control. But the status of the non-citizen is still very much subject to government control. As many others have already pointed out, BOTH the American citizen and the non-citizen are subject to stiff fines and jail time if the government decides the marriage was fraudulently undertaken only to obtain the green card.

That said, all I can add is that I hope you've already married one of the deserving DACA and are right now filing the paperwork so he or she can get the green card.

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Single seniors should marry DACA kids [View all] Generic Other Sep 2017 OP

Why only seniors? leftstreet Sep 2017 #1

I figured they needed young people in their lives Generic Other Sep 2017 #5

It's not a safe haven. It's a felony. See below. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #14

Oooh I am so scared Generic Other Sep 2017 #24

The problem with this kind of "civil disobedience" The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #43

800,000 applications would hurt the system more than any individuals Generic Other Sep 2017 #58

Civil disobedience is normally intended as a protest against an unjust law. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #63

Law not intended to prevent marriages of convenience then Generic Other Sep 2017 #64

Marriages of convenience are illegal if the "convenience" is the evasion of immigration laws. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #66

Looks like some states are taking it to court Generic Other Sep 2017 #68

But that's the revocation of DACA, not the marriage fraud law. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #69

Don't worry, no one would go to jail -- without due process. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #91

Great idea, and states that value humanity and decency, blue states, will protect DACA Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #2

Fraudulent marriages do not protect DACA. Seriously, they don't. Hekate Sep 2017 #117

Do You Know How Many Hoops People From Other Countries Have To Jump Through Me. Sep 2017 #3

Jumping hoops easier than closing doors forever Generic Other Sep 2017 #6

Only If You Can Get Past Them Me. Sep 2017 #12

Marriages of convenience have always existed. iemitsu Sep 2017 #25

We need to think smarter in order to survive Generic Other Sep 2017 #27

They lived into the 21st century, actually. KitSileya Sep 2017 #38

Our elders knew how to arrange marriages Generic Other Sep 2017 #41

What a crock Hekate Sep 2017 #115

Yes They Have Me. Sep 2017 #30

I know several couples who have had to deal with American immigration rules iemitsu Sep 2017 #32

I Have A Nephew Who Married A Girl From Germany Me. Sep 2017 #42

Are you saying DACA kids never marry American citizens? Generic Other Sep 2017 #26

I Cannot Say That Me. Sep 2017 #33

So DACA kids married to American citizens already Generic Other Sep 2017 #37

Who Can Say Me. Sep 2017 #44

This is a heartbreaking story Generic Other Sep 2017 #49

The marriages would be valid. They just can't be used to benefit their immigration status. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #110

Why do you keep saying "kids"? As Rachel sometimes says, there is a real squick factor... Hekate Sep 2017 #119

None. You just go out and get married. L. Coyote Sep 2017 #101

Well They Could Me. Sep 2017 #104

If they marry a citizen do the get to stay automatically? PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #4

No. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #67

That's what I thought. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #71

People who enter into sham marriages to avoid immigration enforcement The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #7

Don't be so sure the won't check to see if you are having sex . . . Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #9

They might check to see if you have children, and will interview neighbors The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #13

An 80-year-old who hasn't gotten pregnant? Generic Other Sep 2017 #28

ICE holds interviews of immigrants who apply for green cards The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #65

You sound like you'd be a great spouse Generic Other Sep 2017 #70

When they saw your big smile and the twinkle in your eye, they would understand what you get. Shrike47 Sep 2017 #77

One of the questions in the sample interview is about birth control, Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #78

Perverts Generic Other Sep 2017 #86

They may - but they are to prevent exactly what you proposed: Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #90

Logic, common sense and facts Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #48

You find Trump's actions logical? Generic Other Sep 2017 #50

This is hardly worth responding to but ... Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #102

+ struggle4progress Sep 2017 #100

Not a smart idea. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #8

Marriage fraud is a felony and a Federal crime. pnwmom Sep 2017 #10

I am open to a real marriage to a 19 year old (and up) hfojvt Sep 2017 #15

An arranged marriage could work Generic Other Sep 2017 #22

Well we must always obey unjust laws Generic Other Sep 2017 #17

You have got a point. delisen Sep 2017 #20

So if I were single, some young man would marry me Croney Sep 2017 #11

Maybe he wouldn't feel stuck if you are a high net worth delisen Sep 2017 #18

Depends on how one defines marriage Generic Other Sep 2017 #19

Only if it is a real marriage Not Ruth Sep 2017 #16

You mean Timmygoat Sep 2017 #21

Except she was forced to service the old goat Generic Other Sep 2017 #23

Do you have any idea of just how long it would take PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #132

I admit I hope the forms would overwhelm ICE Generic Other Sep 2017 #134

And such an overewhelming number of forms PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #136

I am already married to an American citizen Generic Other Sep 2017 #137

They would have to return to their country of origin for up to 3 years janterry Sep 2017 #29

Many people have open marriages Generic Other Sep 2017 #34

I've had some contact with the Feds janterry Sep 2017 #35

I think the clogging up of the system is a valid idea Generic Other Sep 2017 #40

Watch 90-Day Fiancee on TLC Motownman78 Sep 2017 #59

They should not be allowed to decide for citizens Generic Other Sep 2017 #61

The Government also Motownman78 Sep 2017 #72

What many on this thread seem to be telling me Generic Other Sep 2017 #76

You've misunderstood. You're free to marry whom you choose. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #96

You can *marry* whomever you want. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #106

I know someone who (legitimatelly) married a citizen and became one without leaving the country lunamagica Sep 2017 #62

I like your idea Generic. iemitsu Sep 2017 #31

You clearly have never seen the processes used to vet marriages for immigration Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #36

Yeah bearsfootball516 Sep 2017 #39

Precisely Me. Sep 2017 #46

How about we adopt a few kids???? essaynnc Sep 2017 #45

Apparently that is illegal too Generic Other Sep 2017 #51

That's not entirely correct. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #93

That you can do, but you need to get a decent lawyer to advise & do paper work with birth parent(s) Sunlei Sep 2017 #95

The sentiment is good but the consequences are too severe. Don't forget, Trump is the person stevenleser Sep 2017 #47

It's this idea that there are some marriages more legit than others Generic Other Sep 2017 #52

Hard to argue with that. I guess the idea of an intent to defraud/subvert the immigration process stevenleser Sep 2017 #98

It's NOT about some marriages being more legit than others. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #133

Hang on, lemme divorce my wife first jberryhill Sep 2017 #53

seems that the new models are coming out and all over tv are trade in deals dembotoz Sep 2017 #54

Lots of futurists think we will have robot companions soon Generic Other Sep 2017 #57

That was my wife's first husband, from what I understand jberryhill Sep 2017 #107

I didn't advise you to break your current marriage vows Generic Other Sep 2017 #55

I wouldn't inflict her on anyone jberryhill Sep 2017 #109

Marriages of convenience don't help immigration matters BainsBane Sep 2017 #56

Can the courts keep them here Generic Other Sep 2017 #60

The wouldn't be dropping 100,000 PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #73

They don't normally have a backlog of 800,000 people Generic Other Sep 2017 #74

I've been in two marriages jberryhill Sep 2017 #112

i logged in to rec you & your idea is EXCELLENT. 'married couples' would NEED legal help! Sunlei Sep 2017 #75

Not easy to convince Americans to defy the law Generic Other Sep 2017 #80

I think there are quite a few people who have no problem defying the law if Flaleftist Sep 2017 #82

I understand & it really sucks because Republicans pile on the horrors on undocumented & 'work visa' Sunlei Sep 2017 #83

No attorney who wishes to continue to practice law Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #92

I understand. I looked into "adopting" undocumented persons with my Lawyer. Sunlei Sep 2017 #94

Attorneys can provide advice as to whether it is legal, Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #97

People who help others enter into sham marriages can end up in jail, too, The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #111

Not if they've been advised properly jberryhill Sep 2017 #113

Of course that's true. But if a couple came into your office The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #120

I don't do immigration law jberryhill Sep 2017 #131

I was responding specifically to the suggestion that people entering into these marriages Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #121

Yes, I see that. There seems to be some confusion (not yours) on this thread The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #124

Having American born children PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #135

"the kids who pay for your social security"?? Like we seniors did NOT pay?? Yeah, don't EVEN. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #79

Sorry, I meant their payments are still incoming Generic Other Sep 2017 #84

Well, keep in mind that Social Security is PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #88

Ew Hekate Sep 2017 #81

No shit pintobean Sep 2017 #85

I was speaking of consenting adults Generic Other Sep 2017 #87

Maybe you shouldn't use the word "kids" then. pintobean Sep 2017 #89

Old men marrying very young women, then they collect surviving spouse Soc Security for 50 years L. Coyote Sep 2017 #99

The marriages should be same sex and non Christian to really annoy Trump voters Not Ruth Sep 2017 #103

There are people I know legit married to illegals sarah FAILIN Sep 2017 #105

"Illegals"? The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #108

I'm not "pc" sarah FAILIN Sep 2017 #114

"PC" is the term the right-wingers use to excuse racial slurs and bigoted terminology. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #116

Well maybe you are entitled to your opinion sarah FAILIN Sep 2017 #122

When did I ever give you a hard time? I don't even remember your name. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #125

Several times sarah FAILIN Sep 2017 #128

Do you also call people who speed illegals? Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #123

People who speed are.. sarah FAILIN Sep 2017 #127

"illegals" it isn't what we (other than right wingers) have always called them. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #129

Nobody that I know has ever used any other term sarah FAILIN Sep 2017 #130

Then perhaps you need to find friends who are more respectful of the dignity of all people Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #138

I hope this thread has shown you that just marrying a citizen opens the keys to citizenship and dsc Sep 2017 #118

Nullification is what is needed. roamer65 Sep 2017 #126