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157. The only chance we have is to win and in a center left country...if it has not morphed into

Sun Sep 10, 2017, 09:00 AM

Sep 2017

a center right country by now, you can not run to the left, or you will have a Dukakis style loss. This time is not that different from the 90's where Bill Clinton devised a strategy to beat the Republicans, and it worked...saved the courts...now please spare me the whining about Clinton...no liberal was ever getting elected 92 and as a liberal, I am sad to say I don't think a true liberal or socialist can get elected in 2020. We are going to have to go after a big tent. It is the only way. Will we not get our liberal dreams fulfilled no...but we will get some things...like a public option which can lead to medicare for all or some other universal plan, maybe we can end two stupid wars, save the dreamers, reign in the police and their recent abuses, stop the practice of giving police department military weapons...the list is endless. You can be pure and lose, but a 100% of nothing is still nothing, or you can work with what we have: stop the GOP and have incremental victories. We need to face the reality of our situation...and make it work for us.

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"People for Bernie" says that Ds and Rs are basically the same. Promises to attack both. [View all] DetlefK Sep 2017 OP

Liberal and far left are different groups Not Ruth Sep 2017 #1

A liberal is someone who puts social issues, black rights, gay rights, women's rights Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #3

To the left of liberals Not Ruth Sep 2017 #10

I am proud to be a liberal mcar Sep 2017 #13

Thank you. EffieBlack Sep 2017 #75

True, but why does Bernie refuse to associate with that? johnsonsnap Sep 2017 #78

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #132

You are accusing Rosewater of saying something he didn't. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #140

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #141

You did not reference any of that and I don't have time to chase them down. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #142

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #144

Now you are stuffing words in MY mouth. I have not called anybody deplorable/racist in this thread. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #147

First post on DU and you're calling someone a troll. Welcome. George II Sep 2017 #145

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #146

Seems like she/he is very concerned. Effectively very divisive. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #148

Looks like we'll never know. His stay was short, but not so sweet. George II Sep 2017 #149

You have defined "social liberal" and opposed it to "economic liberal". Both are "liberal". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #138

Far left chooses a leader and supports zealously. But ECONOMIC after all social issues? Hortensis Sep 2017 #163

Agreed Caliman73 Sep 2017 #188

Way more of this to come. Way more. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #2

Completely agree :( lunasun Sep 2017 #36

they arent dems they are something else they just havent decided what yet samnsara Sep 2017 #4

Why don't they stop threatening and just start their own party. brush Sep 2017 #11

That's where I'm at as well. PragmaticLiberal Sep 2017 #19

The rebernicon party? democratisphere Sep 2017 #79

I see what you did there. And they'd only got after Dems too, as they are now. brush Sep 2017 #92

THEY threatening DEMOCRATIC PART. Y They & Them Bernie. I'M tired of Bernie dictating to Democrats trueblue2007 Sep 2017 #117

Long time lurker MizMort Sep 2017 #126

Where in the quoted material is Bernie shanny Sep 2017 #137

...theres a pink one, and a green one... fleabiscuit Sep 2017 #173

Amen. n/t susanna Sep 2017 #125

Ignore the majority of voters and talk to activists? bettyellen Sep 2017 #5

Those prominent Dems should go on TV and talk to those"people for Bernie". Autumn Sep 2017 #6

The same response is on thier Twitter acct lunasun Sep 2017 #42

I don't have a tweet account but they look like nut cases IMO.Their manifesto has 99 claps Autumn Sep 2017 #48

Medium is not a "writing site". lapucelle Sep 2017 #58

For all we know, PFB is one guy on Twitter nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2017 #102

bernie ran. he lost. by millions of votes. nt msongs Sep 2017 #7

Sounds like the Coffee Party is starting up. Kablooie Sep 2017 #8

Or the Keyboard Party. NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #116

And people wonder why there are still 2016 primary arguments here on DU. LonePirate Sep 2017 #9

The OP says nothing about the Primaries. Over and over I see that - Lil Missy Sep 2017 #18

This. It's about the present and future direction of the spooky3 Sep 2017 #37

I agree. It's that certain segments here at DU do not want the "no difference" people called out. LonePirate Sep 2017 #60

+++++++++ JHan Sep 2017 #167

By their own words indeed mcar Sep 2017 #12

Grrr... MANative Sep 2017 #14

+1000 Old Vet Sep 2017 #16

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 BainsBane Sep 2017 #27

Time to Skidmore Sep 2017 #15

No kidding BainsBane Sep 2017 #23

I think "people for Bernie" must have the same membership as "Antifa" ProfessorPlum Sep 2017 #17

They are active on Twitter 90k following lunasun Sep 2017 #44

Oh, well then ProfessorPlum Sep 2017 #54

twitter schmitter clu Sep 2017 #67

And I have some advice for this goup I hope you don't enjoy your privilege, and go fuck yourself... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #150

They are needed to fuel the "Bernie attacks Dems" machine. n/t Orsino Sep 2017 #189

both do pander to wall street right now. we need to cut off wall street. pansypoo53219 Sep 2017 #20

Agree ananda Sep 2017 #21

and when is "back"? BainsBane Sep 2017 #24

So the people that vote for the far right wing nutjobs are making a better choice? nini Sep 2017 #30

That is such nonsense. Wall Street needs regulation, but we need Wall Street...would Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #32

The GOP passed a banking deregulation bill BainsBane Sep 2017 #25

What does that even mean? Hekate Sep 2017 #45

I wonder why it is so hard BainsBane Sep 2017 #73

they probably go into it among themselves JI7 Sep 2017 #83

What does that mean? I know it is easy to say and most people will Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #53

Instead of spouting meaningless slogans like "pander to Wall Street" we should be more concerned stevenleser Sep 2017 #63

Can you explain your statement? Caliman73 Sep 2017 #190

I'm against them BainsBane Sep 2017 #22

They seem like the Obama haters from DU Kolesar Sep 2017 #31

They do mcar Sep 2017 #64

I'm With You Me. Sep 2017 #72

Personally I think they ought to be ignored, written off. I don't care for this attitude that Lil Missy Sep 2017 #26

I agree nini Sep 2017 #29

"Time and time again, we've proven that we are willing to work with them." nini Sep 2017 #28

"People for Bernie". The new boogeyman to scare people to the middle. jalan48 Sep 2017 #33

It will work...they will have the American people running to the right in droves...with this sort of Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #34

LOL-right now it looks like the Democrats are the "they". jalan48 Sep 2017 #35

No it doesn't at all ...these groups running primary candidates against sitting Dems and Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #50

So the politicians tell us what we can do instead of the other way around? jalan48 Sep 2017 #84

Voters are in charge...however you have to support the Democrat period... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #94

How does that differ from saying Sanders helped elect Trump? mythology Sep 2017 #38

I noticed a few have infiltrated this site already. GoCubsGo Sep 2017 #39

More than a few nini Sep 2017 #49

Surveys consistently show strong support for a more progressive platform. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #40

Not really. Depending how those surveys are worded they can show support stevenleser Sep 2017 #65

yup, just look at actual votes for single pay in colorado which is a state obama and clinton won JI7 Sep 2017 #87

i guess the state legislature clu Sep 2017 #89

Which is the real issue. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #103

Which explains why Democrats receive more votes in elections? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #97

Your response is not on point. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #99

One might say that your responses illustrate the divide guillaumeb Sep 2017 #104

+1 tecelote Sep 2017 #201

Sure...that is why Russ Feingold was elected...oh wait. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #151

Money defeated Feingold. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #165

So maybe you agree we need money right? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #169

When money is treated as speech, yes money is necessary. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #177

Not really...Wellstone maybe, but Sanders was not the candidate. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #183

Bernie should ask them to stop using his name. LisaM Sep 2017 #41

+10000000 Hekate Sep 2017 #47

+100000, this has gone way beyond politics. nt R B Garr Sep 2017 #77

As if. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #93

I agree and I also wonder how many of those 'Bernie' supporters.. nini Sep 2017 #100

+1, give this a second if he doesn't say anything then this is a front group YCHDT Sep 2017 #129

If he doesn't then...he obviously does not object or may even agree. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #152

And this is how and why conservatives are kicking progressives collective asses world wide wally Sep 2017 #43

Sadly, there will be hell to pay when some figure out that A. Sen. Sanders doesn't run (best case) Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #153

Meh... Most (but not all) of them them are obvious ratfucking trolls Blue_Tires Sep 2017 #46

What a disappointment those people are. Cary Sep 2017 #51

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #52

PFB: The Bro's Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #55

How insulting... Mike Nelson Sep 2017 #56

There seems to be a big difference between Bernie and some Bernie supporters online. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #110

I agree... Mike Nelson Sep 2017 #120

Didn't Clinton have the most left-wing Democratic platform in decades? Willie Pep Sep 2017 #121

Can we please stop talking about Bernie? He is NOT a Democrat. haveahart Sep 2017 #57

as per Skinner: Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #82

Skinners response is noteable for the qualifying phrase stevenleser Sep 2017 #88

Right, we all understand that Bernie isn't officially a Democrat. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #90

The same consideration as the DEMOCRATS regularly slandered on this forum? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #91

The guy with the big fucking asterisk grantcart Sep 2017 #118

Very well and succinctly put. stevenleser Sep 2017 #124

Anyone who says that the two parties are the same deserves to be ignored. Forever. Bleacher Creature Sep 2017 #59

+9999999... I really thought the political left mostly learned their lesson from the Nader debacle stevenleser Sep 2017 #68

Radicals will be radicals Cary Sep 2017 #69

Radical I can take. Being brain dead enough to equate Gore & Bush and Hillary & Trump stevenleser Sep 2017 #71

Indeed. Radical is not the same as stupid. DFW Sep 2017 #127

What should be embarrassing shanny Sep 2017 #139

No, once again, since anyone can register anyway they want, those statistics mean nothing. stevenleser Sep 2017 #166

oh dear shanny Sep 2017 #181

No oh dear necessary, just think about things before you post. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #182

Please to Go Fuck Yourselves, People for Bernie. Stinky The Clown Sep 2017 #61

What took them so long to figure this out I wonder. ucrdem Sep 2017 #62

I'll say this for the LaRouchies, they know how to do crazy. stevenleser Sep 2017 #66

Did our big tent get smaller? dembotoz Sep 2017 #70

Sick of him. Sick of them. EffieBlack Sep 2017 #74

Who exactly are these Fucking people. I don't believe they exist. onecaliberal Sep 2017 #76

Not these guys again... LuvLoogie Sep 2017 #80

They are nuts.................. Historic NY Sep 2017 #81

those people are most likely right wing trolls , they certainly aren't progressive or anything on JI7 Sep 2017 #85

your first post in this thread clu Sep 2017 #98

But millions of dollars flowing into the political system from corporations and the rich is OK? jalan48 Sep 2017 #86

Which DU'er said millions of dollars from corporations into politics is "OK"? emulatorloo Sep 2017 #106

It's how the system currently opearates. The Clinton campaign raised over a billion dollars in jalan48 Sep 2017 #107

In otherwords no DU'er said that. Those in this thread are objecting to the false meme that emulatorloo Sep 2017 #108

I think under the current political set-up both parties are the same in the need to raise vast sums jalan48 Sep 2017 #109

I suggest you review current events in Congress before you claim Pelosi/Schiff are the same as emulatorloo Sep 2017 #113

Thanks for the suggestion. My point is about campaign finance and our two political parties. jalan48 Sep 2017 #114

Yes that's a great discussion to have. Which sorta goes back to my original post to you. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #115

There's nothing wrong with raising vast sums of money for candidates, we don't need to conflate YCHDT Sep 2017 #130

There is no way to stop it...because the fucking Greens and left left riffraff elected George Bush Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #155

LOL-it's those evil greens again.. jalan48 Sep 2017 #158

They have done lasting damage to this country. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #171

LOL- jalan48 Sep 2017 #175

9-11,war,united,katrina, and in the last years of Bush whom the Greens elected economic debacle. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #184

All this blame of others going around. Where's it coming from? jalan48 Sep 2017 #185

Every word I wrote is true...they should look in the mirror. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #186

Blame game is a losing strategy. jalan48 Sep 2017 #192

The truth is the truth...they are to blame...pretending otherwise is foolish. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #193

It's everyone else's fault-I get it. jalan48 Sep 2017 #194

We already talked about this ...not everyone's...the left left green scum. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #195

I guess you didn't get the part about the declining Party membership and the millions of people who jalan48 Sep 2017 #196

I guess I don't care...those who don't belong to either party have no say in Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #197

Don't stop squeezing that turnip-I think there's still a little blood left in it. jalan48 Sep 2017 #198

The alt left thinks they are the majority...this is a center left country...they are not even the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #199

Labels and blame-a great strategy for victory? jalan48 Sep 2017 #200

Well that is progress. Blue_true Sep 2017 #95

Putin needs to stop meddling in our domestic politics eShirl Sep 2017 #96

We need to work with President Trump larry budwell Sep 2017 #101

i may be pushing the envelope but clu Sep 2017 #105

How nice...now that is a different perspective...and we don't consider Trump president...as he stole Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #156

WORK "WITH " PRESIDENT TRUMP ???? What kind of CRAP are you smoking ??? trueblue2007 Sep 2017 #119

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #122

i dunno you been alive but Democrats hardly EVER have anything in common with GOPs trueblue2007 Sep 2017 #123

"Work with Trump?" That's like saying we need to define the shape of an amoeba DFW Sep 2017 #133

Trump is a threat to non-white Americans ... why work with this type of person? thx in advance YCHDT Sep 2017 #131

He's a threat to white Americans, too DFW Sep 2017 #134

thanks for sharing clu Sep 2017 #187

Work with that totally incompetent lunatic? Are you serious? LBM20 Sep 2017 #160

There is no working with the Trumpster peggysue2 Sep 2017 #191

If you think that Jakes Progress Sep 2017 #111

Agree, and I really can't figure out why it's spread here on DU. mountain grammy Sep 2017 #112

Bots and dolts go everywhere. Jakes Progress Sep 2017 #164

I wonder get the red out Sep 2017 #128

I agree. potone Sep 2017 #135

"Unity around issues"--horrors! shanny Sep 2017 #136

The only chance we have is to win and in a center left country...if it has not morphed into Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #157

are you familiar with the overton window? shanny Sep 2017 #162

That is how Trump won the presidency... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #170

interesting theory shanny Sep 2017 #179

Would these actually be people for Trumputin? ananda Sep 2017 #143

That's what I'm thinking TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #172

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #154

These people are as bad as the tea baggers liberal N proud Sep 2017 #159

I agree. . . MBS Sep 2017 #176

I supported Bernie, but these people are nuts flyingfysh Sep 2017 #161

Isn't that a direct quote from "Russians for Meddling"? L. Coyote Sep 2017 #168

"We dont need unity around party" How bizarre! Someone/s here often expresses the same sentiments. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #174

Wasn't that Nadir's playbook? nt WhiteTara Sep 2017 #178

I wonder how much people like these piss off Sanders. Akoto Sep 2017 #180