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Hekate

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83. The poster was me, and that is not how you phrased it, which was as an either/or.

Thu Sep 14, 2017, 11:36 PM

Sep 2017

Your sentence meant: if I want the existing walls torn down, then I must want zero border control.

Reductio ad absurdem.

Every nation wants to control who enters their country and for what reason. Not every nation is so frightened of the outside world that they attempt to construct thousands and thousands of miles of actual walls. You really want to live in a prison of your own making? Be my guest -- just don't call the result the USA.

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Would you accept a border wall in exchange for amnesty? [View all] BluegrassDem Sep 2017 OP

No unc70 Sep 2017 #1

I live in Germany DFW Sep 2017 #2

No underpants Sep 2017 #3

No. It would be a hideous failure on the Dems' part. anneboleyn Sep 2017 #4

NO MoonRiver Sep 2017 #5

Bad idea PJMcK Sep 2017 #6

Not only that the enormous expense wouldn't end after construction Major Nikon Sep 2017 #9

as V. Fox told us: re, the ladder treestar Sep 2017 #53

I don't support a wall either Mosby Sep 2017 #19

A part of the fence was blown up JonLP24 Sep 2017 #60

Also, how far into the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific ocean does this wall actually go? elehhhhna Sep 2017 #54

Also tunnels JonLP24 Sep 2017 #62

No, the wall would be an obscene waste Fresh_Start Sep 2017 #7

I haven't met a single person who thinks it's a good idea. Dave Starsky Sep 2017 #16

Possibly... Mike Nelson Sep 2017 #8

Not just "no" but "FUCK no"... ADX Sep 2017 #10

It is THE stupidest idea of all time. Dave Starsky Sep 2017 #13

The Iraq War was pretty dumb, but I think the wall beats it. white_wolf Sep 2017 #49

Essentially we would be spending billions of dollars in order to help assure people who came to this Tiggeroshii Sep 2017 #11

Walls are stupid. Iggo Sep 2017 #12

It's a hideous waste of money for a complete boondoggle. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #14

No...nt Wounded Bear Sep 2017 #15

Sort of metalbot Sep 2017 #17

The very notion of a border wall is offensive, so no. Orrex Sep 2017 #18

How do you feel about the existing fence? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #31

Down it comes, asap Hekate Sep 2017 #38

So zero border enforcement of any kind ? nm MichMan Sep 2017 #52

Not of medieval notions treestar Sep 2017 #55

It doesn't do squat as far as border enforcement JonLP24 Sep 2017 #63

What a bs statement. You think that and only that is how border control is achieved? Hekate Sep 2017 #72

The poster stated that they wanted all of the existing barriers also torn down asap MichMan Sep 2017 #82

The poster was me, and that is not how you phrased it, which was as an either/or. Hekate Sep 2017 #83

One obviates the need for the other Mr. Ected Sep 2017 #20

NO F'ING WAY! mnhtnbb Sep 2017 #21

NO Runningdawg Sep 2017 #22

as a mexican clu Sep 2017 #23

"would be to improve the conditions in mexico " Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #34

And Central America Hekate Sep 2017 #39

That position might make some populist-nativists unhappy. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #44

We could stop immigration tomorrow by arresting and jailing... Dave Starsky Sep 2017 #50

Also too inefficient treestar Sep 2017 #57

My point is, we are just pretending... Dave Starsky Sep 2017 #68

It's a system we have treestar Sep 2017 #70

No freakin way.......... Bengus81 Sep 2017 #24

Absolutely not. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #25

No. panader0 Sep 2017 #26

This is a dumb question. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #27

No. Trump does not live up to his end of deals. Orsino Sep 2017 #28

False choice no_hypocrisy Sep 2017 #29

Lgbt rights up next? Let's horse trade everything! Like a business!!1!! elehhhhna Sep 2017 #59

Would you accept a fascist as president? No wall - ever. Not a penny of my taxes goes there. RiverStone Sep 2017 #30

Looks like your trial balloon is made of lead. ret5hd Sep 2017 #32

Yes. Without question. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #33

Lots of environmental issues in some places, plus ranchers Blue_true Sep 2017 #61

It would have to be outlined in that manner. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #84

No. Don't want to be that country with a wall. nt Laffy Kat Sep 2017 #35

Fuck no Downtown Hound Sep 2017 #36

WTF are you talking about? Schumer and Pelosi just managed to separate the Wall from DACA... Hekate Sep 2017 #37

No sarisataka Sep 2017 #40

No. It's a ridiculous notion. Squinch Sep 2017 #41

No Justice Sep 2017 #42

No. It's a symbol of racism, isolation & belief in superiority Alice11111 Sep 2017 #43

NOPE. No acheivements for him. bettyellen Sep 2017 #45

The Wall Is a Stupid Idea Leith Sep 2017 #46

No Luciferous Sep 2017 #47

Until they come down HARD on employers who hire undocumented workers TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #48

Or milking cows with frozen hands. Or working in a hot assed kitchen. Blue_true Sep 2017 #64

All countries control their borders. But a wall is a giant, silly waste. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #51

I agree with you. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #75

Not a wall JonLP24 Sep 2017 #56

I would accept it. Blue_true Sep 2017 #58

Yep, in a heartbeat. SaschaHM Sep 2017 #65

Maybe a wall border: tblue37 Sep 2017 #66

Part of that border would be impossible to fence. northoftheborder Sep 2017 #67

No. GoCubsGo Sep 2017 #69

Trump could be re-elected and progress on that stupid wall would still be minimal Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #71

McTurtle: Top Priority, Make Obama a One Term President XRubicon Sep 2017 #73

No the wall is useless. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #74

No. Shrike47 Sep 2017 #76

No Danmel Sep 2017 #77

Fuck no ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #78

No, it's a fucking waste of money and it WON'T WORK Warpy Sep 2017 #79

what's all this "accept/exchange" stuff? 0rganism Sep 2017 #80

Absolutely. nt Purveyor Sep 2017 #81

No Mendocino Sep 2017 #85