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Warren DeMontague

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112. No, the John Conyers version in the House is fine.
Fri Sep 15, 2017, 08:31 PM
Sep 2017

For some odd reason, though, the one in the Senate proposing essentially the same idea seems to get some folks here really bothered. Can't imagine why that is!



I don't think it's the 'what' but it's the 'who.' egduj Sep 2017 #1
From what I've seen, it's the "how" brer cat Sep 2017 #97
++++ sheshe2 Sep 2017 #106
Maybe they're simply observing, rather than "pushing". whathehell Sep 2017 #133
+1000 (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #151
Precisely Me. Sep 2017 #162
Bingo. (NT) ehrnst Sep 2017 #181
sure it is. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #207
NO. It's the "Will we lose EVERYTHING in the process?" Hortensis Sep 2017 #175
Bingo. (NT) ehrnst Sep 2017 #179
Not me!!!! get the red out Sep 2017 #2
Not me too!! I don't see how anyone can consider themselves a progressive and not believe... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #127
One can advocate for that in other ways than Single Payer ehrnst Sep 2017 #152
Never said there weren't other ways. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #167
Many, right here on DU don't distinguish between Single Payer with "universal health care" ehrnst Sep 2017 #170
Gotcha. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #178
Because Bernie BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #3
Exactly!nt m-lekktor Sep 2017 #21
Remember how some madokie Sep 2017 #34
I remember well... sheshe2 Sep 2017 #107
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #45
+1 beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #67
People whining about spittle-flecked rage instead of discussing issues is why I don't spend a lot of MADem Sep 2017 #90
Actually Debbie Dingell has introduced one, and before that her husband, John, introduced it... George II Sep 2017 #93
It's not going to happen. It's nice to rally round the flag, but it's more important to spare ACA MADem Sep 2017 #96
Trying to shore up the ACA and pushing for single payer are two different issues mdbl Sep 2017 #102
Doesn't single payer momrentum actually help accomplish that? KPN Sep 2017 #155
Not really. ehrnst Sep 2017 #202
False equalization Vermont. KPN Sep 2017 #205
No, it's not the only way. And nope - not a false equalization. ehrnst Sep 2017 #211
Is false equalization. Economies of scale is a huge factor. KPN Sep 2017 #213
NO. While a certain subset are pushing for M4A (which will not happen, not this legislative session MADem Sep 2017 #217
+1000 (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #182
Many here seem to think that Bernie's plan is the only way to get to universal health care ehrnst Sep 2017 #171
Well, they're wrong, aren't they? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #174
But that would mean maybe they got other things wrong too... ehrnst Sep 2017 #183
The fear that something might pass that gets called SandersCare is understandable. Orsino Sep 2017 #214
I am for any plan that covers everybody and can get passed by Congress DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #4
That second part is key - one that can get passed by Congress. George II Sep 2017 #89
Most countries do it with multi-payer systems ehrnst Sep 2017 #150
It's no different than dozens of "repeal and replace" votes in that sense. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #180
Answer: no brooklynite Sep 2017 #5
I'm for UNIVERSAL healthcare. If that includes single-payer, I'm down with it. haveahart Sep 2017 #42
This Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2017 #115
+1000 (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #153
I don't think so. Seems people are concerned about the strategy of banging the drum seaglass Sep 2017 #6
This is the correct answer genxlib Sep 2017 #36
Just to be clear genxlib Sep 2017 #44
There was no counter punch to the Tea Party by the left. HopeAgain Sep 2017 #161
That is 1/3rd of where I am at. The other 2/3rds is, having been part of delivering some Medicare stevenleser Sep 2017 #141
lol... stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #7
... LexVegas Sep 2017 #8
I fully support single payer but the ACA was war and piece tymorial Sep 2017 #9
I've never received a 96 page pamphlet...n/t TCJ70 Sep 2017 #14
It's a comparison. And a rather accurate one inmo tymorial Sep 2017 #19
I like what you said. sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #138
Of course they are melman Sep 2017 #10
The answer is yes, indeed. democrank Sep 2017 #11
Oh yes, and completely predictable... Raster Sep 2017 #16
Someone should make a bingo card out of those. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #69
We don't know how much the most recent plan will cost, particularly since the most recent plan.... George II Sep 2017 #77
Maybe we could send a U.S. delegation on a listening tour to all the industrialized nations democrank Sep 2017 #130
Please link to all the comments that you stated. TIA. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #108
+1 shanny Sep 2017 #125
Yeah, pretty much. TDale313 Sep 2017 #132
Not here treestar Sep 2017 #156
It can be convenient for a lazy mind to equate tactics with goal LanternWaste Sep 2017 #12
Can you prove this? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #27
Posting something twice makes it true. QC Sep 2017 #59
! beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #70
Is there an echo in here? Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #95
"It can be convenient for a lazy mind to equate tactics wth goals". lapucelle Sep 2017 #104
Overwhelmingly, that is what the discussion has been about. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #121
Not me! demmiblue Sep 2017 #13
Probably but here is an excellent piece that talks abt the good politics of it. Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #15
This is a good article. But here is the problem with it. StevieM Sep 2017 #41
I agree. We have made big mistakes in borrowing Republican words and letting the, Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #63
thanks for sharing clu Sep 2017 #137
"Repeal and Replace" was the way the GOP gave their base "hope" ehrnst Sep 2017 #172
I wouldn't mind Dems insisting over and over u till it became a mantra for Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #184
You mean like "defund Planned Parenthood!!!" the mantra that will ehrnst Sep 2017 #185
I have zero idea what u are talking about. Who said mantras are always right?I said Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #188
I guess you think that the mantra you suggested isn't neccessarily right? Or you don't care if it is ehrnst Sep 2017 #190
I'm sorry you are so confused. nt Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #192
Well, that's one way to avoid coming up with a response... (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #194
My posts are your answers. But you are unable to comprehend any of it. So there Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #204
I've been waiting for health care that covers everyone since my kids were little shraby Sep 2017 #17
Nope, some here are absolute realists. Lee Adama Sep 2017 #18
True, unfortunately LyndaG Sep 2017 #43
Realists are such debbie downers... (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #186
Here's what you don't understand NJCher Sep 2017 #193
But there are other more realistic ways to get to UHC. ehrnst Sep 2017 #206
They shouldn't be off the table NJCher Sep 2017 #208
They will be if M4A is the only acceptable goal ehrnst Sep 2017 #210
Not me. I can't afford ACA! Joe941 Sep 2017 #20
Really? So you would prefer nothing like the Repblicans? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #24
I think Joe is saying he supports single payer because even under the ACA xor Sep 2017 #50
wow wise words clu Sep 2017 #147
The ACA premiums are too expensive for me in this area... Joe941 Sep 2017 #212
ACA was affordable for me. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #109
That's what VT residents said about Green Mountain Care. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #195
For some, cult of personality and pettiness trump actual policies and progress. nt. JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #22
Mostly, those of us against this futile bill that has no shot...don't want to lose in 18 and 20... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #23
by all means, let's not offend the republicans shanny Sep 2017 #131
No, we don't want to see the ACA fail. Republicans were resigning themselves to the idea that Trust Buster Sep 2017 #25
Nope - just realistic about it happening JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #26
It is about waking up America Not Ruth Sep 2017 #28
Unfortunately - we don't get to vote on the floor JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #31
All I know is . . .. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #29
I think we still have Russian trolls here Greybnk48 Sep 2017 #30
We definitely do. Lots of spittle flecked rage from them. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #75
This is so true. LisaM Sep 2017 #81
I don't even know why they think it will! Ninsianna Sep 2017 #110
Willful ignorance used to be the perview of the Right. ehrnst Sep 2017 #198
Yes, it's being a Democratic goal since at least FDR whathehell Sep 2017 #134
I think almost all of us are in favor of universal coverage. Single payer is just one way ... dawg Sep 2017 #32
No!!!!!!! Everyone here shares the same core values about healthcare. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #33
I am surprised to find any resistance to this idea Generic Other Sep 2017 #35
I'm guessing some of the resistance is based on selfishness or ignorance. LonePirate Sep 2017 #61
That's a bit unfair, since we don't know what this will cost or how anyone is Ninsianna Sep 2017 #148
So anyone who points out that the numbers in M4A don't add up as stated is either ehrnst Sep 2017 #191
after 15+ years here, not surprised even a little bit. KG Sep 2017 #37
Not me. Have been for S-Payer since 1980, will probably be for it in 2028. Hoyt Sep 2017 #38
Medicare for all is not "single payer." It's an insurance program. Like the ACA. ucrdem Sep 2017 #39
LOL! Sorry... being realistic and truthful does not correlate to HOPING for the predicted outcome. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #40
Iam so sorry about your friend, Spent 48 brutal weeks in 2004 fighting "C" ... Old Vet Sep 2017 #46
Thank you... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #65
You are correct, The poison I injected into my body to kill another to this day.......... Old Vet Sep 2017 #68
There are times I might want to purchase something moda253 Sep 2017 #47
The Regan Democrat contingent. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #48
few more folks than just that dembotoz Sep 2017 #49
There are no "Reagan Democrats" on DU. Everyone is Progressive or Left Liberal. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #53
Yes... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #51
Nope Maven Sep 2017 #52
Given that when Sanders proposed this during the primaries mythology Sep 2017 #54
i just wanted more meat on the bone before i got all gaga over it.. samnsara Sep 2017 #55
how is it going to be paid for- 10% out of everyone's paycheck in the country snooper2 Sep 2017 #56
Don't forget the end of private insurance costs being subtracted from every paycheck. LonePirate Sep 2017 #60
I'm not hoping for failure NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #57
How can it fail if it won't pass ? JI7 Sep 2017 #58
Yes. Just like the GOP was fine with "Romneycare" in Mass. TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #62
I actually hope single payer gets offered. ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #64
Either you're part of the solution or you're part of the problem. ZX86 Sep 2017 #66
Nope... Blue_Tires Sep 2017 #71
We're not going to flip congress by being mealy mouthed. ZX86 Sep 2017 #72
It doesn't matter how bold or ballsy you are Blue_Tires Sep 2017 #163
A lot of us were making this push back then. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #116
Not enough... Blue_Tires Sep 2017 #164
I'm all for it. lunatica Sep 2017 #73
Yep. And it's quite obvious who the naysayers are, based off of certain animus. TheBlackAdder Sep 2017 #74
Just about all of us are for a plan that will work and can get passed. I haven't seen one yet. George II Sep 2017 #76
Democrats have a bold new plan for universal single payer health care. ZX86 Sep 2017 #79
"Bold new plan"? Which on is that? John Conyers' plan? George II Sep 2017 #85
That's one of them. ZX86 Sep 2017 #86
The plan is not bold, nor is it new. No need to be rude. MADem Sep 2017 #87
The statement stands. ZX86 Sep 2017 #88
I shoulda voted to hide, I guess. MADem Sep 2017 #92
Because if anyone disagrees with you on what will actually get to ehrnst Sep 2017 #199
Posts like this is why I have missed your voice here MADem. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #111
I pop in on occasion, but right now, the fight isn't Single Payer That Will NOT HAPPEN MADem Sep 2017 #216
Common sense and logic. Much needed here right now. ehrnst Sep 2017 #200
Well, it's "lead, follow, or get out of the way", and on various progressive issues over the years.. George II Sep 2017 #94
There are berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #78
Not at all, it wont even be voted on, so dont worry about it. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #80
Yup LyndaG Sep 2017 #99
...Booker, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, and Franken don't know what they're doing? Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #117
You have some reason to believe they are healthcare delivery experts? I don't. stevenleser Sep 2017 #139
It's well past time to move the conversation over to Single Payer, and that's what they're helping Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #140
That's because some here seem to want to ignore both lessons learned from ACA and want to ignore stevenleser Sep 2017 #142
I think that's a great conversation, actually, Steven. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #143
And there is something else too that I feel very strongly about. I suspect dual tier is better stevenleser Sep 2017 #144
Given the nature of the American psyche Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #145
Absolutely agree with you on this. davsand Sep 2017 #209
They do, they also know this isn't going to make it to the floor and they see Ninsianna Sep 2017 #146
The bill forced them to take a position, they know the bill wont be voted on let alone passed Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #154
It's the old pragmatists vs the idealist. It is easy to say you are for wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #82
I support it, provided.... Adrahil Sep 2017 #83
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #84
Yes, And The Reason Is Obvious ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #91
Yes, absolutely Bradical79 Sep 2017 #98
DA! Eko Sep 2017 #100
I'm for universal healthcare DesertRat Sep 2017 #101
er no. And there are excellent replies in this thread explaining why this perception is wrong. JHan Sep 2017 #103
sure, or people can just use their eyes. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #114
up to them really .. *shrug* JHan Sep 2017 #119
No, actually, they won't. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #120
mmmhmm JHan Sep 2017 #122
"Ever seen a shirt make a phone call?" Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #123
I want to know exactly what is proposed radical noodle Sep 2017 #105
No, the John Conyers version in the House is fine. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #112
to be fair, its fine because it is hardly talked about. nt JCanete Sep 2017 #159
I've been for it since Conyers started proposing it! JNelson6563 Sep 2017 #113
Seems the answer is almost unanimous. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #118
The answer is no. People want Universal Health Care, and refusing ehrnst Sep 2017 #196
I think some would prefer not to see Hillary shanny Sep 2017 #124
Yes. And it's obvious why because it's Bernies proposal riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #126
I fully support it. Snackshack Sep 2017 #128
I have some concerns. TomSlick Sep 2017 #129
The moment Hillary came out against it, the tone of this forum changed for the worse LittleBlue Sep 2017 #135
It was more Bernie's answer to its failure in Vermont. LuvLoogie Sep 2017 #158
It fails in every state because states can't raise the tax revenue per capita LittleBlue Sep 2017 #169
I want universal care...but I want the ACA to survive...and this bill helps the GOP kill it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #168
Healthcare companies employs over 12 million people across the US Calista241 Sep 2017 #136
I'm hoping that the demand for it doesn't hurt chances for Universal Health Care ehrnst Sep 2017 #149
Are some on DU trying to start a flame war? ehrnst Sep 2017 #157
The problem is getting the GOP to bring it up for a vote BainsBane Sep 2017 #160
kicked and recommended for your comment. JHan Sep 2017 #165
I think they are and boy will they be sorry when the outcome is nothing...no healthcare Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #166
If you are referring to the Sander's bill...it won't fail because it Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #173
I'm not hoping it fails; I know it will fail. Chemisse Sep 2017 #176
Some on DU will always want our side to fail IronLionZion Sep 2017 #177
Medicare for all does cover mental health and substance abuse treatment services HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #219
The DUers who have a deeply negative defeatist attitude towards all this IronLionZion Sep 2017 #221
Not hoping that it fails Trumpocalypse Sep 2017 #187
we gotta start with the propagandistic "socialized medicine" of the past. There are still CTyankee Sep 2017 #189
Hoping it fails? That's a stupid question. Starry Messenger Sep 2017 #197
Not as many as are here hoping for the ACA to fail. We all know why. LuvLoogie Sep 2017 #201
I don't think ANYONE on this site wants the ACA to fail... Raster Sep 2017 #203
Because Bernie introduced it and anything associated with Bernie will be rejected. Joe941 Sep 2017 #215
Really? ananda Sep 2017 #218
It needs funding machinist included. Adrahil Sep 2017 #220
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