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GaryCnf

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109. You can spin all you want FRIEND, it won't work
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 06:59 AM
Sep 2017

The OP specifically pushed JOHN BARRASSO'S attempt to discredit this bill with the CBO and my excerpted response does nothing but prove that it was JOINING REPUBLICANS that I attacked.

AND your complete and utter failure to find ANY criticism of the CBO from me PROVES IT.

Thank you for reminding everyone.

And no, you didn't mention what I said . . . that's exactly how straw man arguments work.

Finally, friend, you're part of the party is most definitely not black

I AM BLACK. Something you would know even if I posted in a silent thread, if you knew 1/1000 of what you think you know about politics.

You're part of the party is the one which uses people who look like me as a prop; implying (back when centrists thought Corey Booker and Kamala Harrris would just toe the centrist line) that people who voiced honest policy differences with Corey Booker over drug re-importation or Kamala Harris over civil forfeiture were doing so because of their race. You're part of the party is the one that was then willing to throw Kamala Harris and Corey Booker (not just supporters, but co-sponsors, of Medicare for All) under the bus by attempting to stereotype them and everyone else supporting the bill as not merely pushing what it considers bad policy, but as "lack[ing] planning or logic," or "thriving on ignorance," or "not knowing how policies are constructed."

Since you were as quick to call a mid-60 y.o. black man a "dixiecrat" as you were to call supporters of Medicare for All (which includes Senator Harris and Senator Booker) "people who 'lack planning or logic,' or 'thrive on ignorance,' or 'not knowing how policies are constructed,'" I'll let you pick the name that should be used to describe the Democrats who so denigrate Kamala, Corey, myself, and the rest of the millions of Democrats who see this as not merely good policy, but good politics.

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"But..... Turbineguy Sep 2017 #1
I wonder what Sen. Barrasso GaryCnf Sep 2017 #2
Yes there were false DUers on last night to worry us about single payer. applegrove Sep 2017 #4
What's a "false DUer"? (n/t) OilemFirchen Sep 2017 #6
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #9
Someone introducing GOP ideas into the DU under pretence that they are a Democrat when applegrove Sep 2017 #11
I see. OilemFirchen Sep 2017 #15
I alert. At some point others may too and it will come to the attention of the administrators. Why applegrove Sep 2017 #16
Good idea. OilemFirchen Sep 2017 #18
No idea. I assume if multiple alerts take place administrators take a look. Sober second thought. applegrove Sep 2017 #19
Why would you assume that? OilemFirchen Sep 2017 #22
And then admin take a second closer alert at the post and the thread and decide applegrove Sep 2017 #23
Lizards. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #97
Like people using the Republican script from a few weeks ago Ninsianna Sep 2017 #93
I didn't think you could top concern troll but well done tymorial Sep 2017 #31
Lmao!!! "False duers"!!!! boston bean Sep 2017 #39
Please clarify... GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #71
I alert. You can too. We are not supposed to put up right wing talking points. That applegrove Sep 2017 #74
I agree with everything you typed GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #75
If they put forth right wing talking points i alert. On any topic. applegrove Sep 2017 #77
Apparently you are not willing to lay out GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #80
We all do our best. Alerting is anonymous. applegrove Sep 2017 #83
Agreed. GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #84
You too. applegrove Sep 2017 #85
I suspect that EVERY Senator, including those who have co-sponsored the bill, is interested... George II Sep 2017 #114
This message was self-deleted by its author applegrove Sep 2017 #3
I knew this was coming. Lee Adama Sep 2017 #5
Doubt it. We will kick rethug ass. bronxiteforever Sep 2017 #36
No, we will waste time explaining there are options to fund it. Lee Adama Sep 2017 #45
We will kick their fucking ass bronxiteforever Sep 2017 #55
In politics, when you are explaining, you are losing. Lee Adama Sep 2017 #56
"Dear 99% of the American people GaryCnf Sep 2017 #59
Doesn't work like that. Lee Adama Sep 2017 #60
No, that's exactly how it works GaryCnf Sep 2017 #61
That "succinct explanation" will only make it worse. Lee Adama Sep 2017 #63
Apparently there is some disagreement GaryCnf Sep 2017 #66
And I say it is going to backfire in a massive way once CBO releases its results. Lee Adama Sep 2017 #67
You are wrong Motownman78 Sep 2017 #70
Yeah, just wait until the CBO score comes out. Lee Adama Sep 2017 #73
Here is a secret Motownman78 Sep 2017 #78
Great explanations. Unfortunately, this looks like a pattern. R B Garr Sep 2017 #89
The CBO is a non partisan group. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #79
Except one very big thing--- CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #111
The thing to remind people hurple Sep 2017 #7
My taxes will be raised as will my wife's. tymorial Sep 2017 #69
Can you be certain of that? Motownman78 Sep 2017 #72
Be careful HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #8
So you think that bill should be exempt from the law requiring a CBO score? BainsBane Sep 2017 #86
Could you please clarify something for me. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #98
Anything negative about this bill GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #102
I don't believe such an approach is fair or productive. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #103
Agreed GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #104
I'll be interested in learning more about this... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #10
I'm sure the results from GaryCnf Sep 2017 #28
I have a sneaking feeling it will show up here too. aidbo Sep 2017 #33
So you've pre-judged before the facts are in? Good to know. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #34
No, I've "pre-judged" the motives GaryCnf Sep 2017 #38
LOL NurseJackie Sep 2017 #42
You do realize that he's not the CBO and is not involved in doing the scoring or Ninsianna Sep 2017 #65
I understand GaryCnf Sep 2017 #68
Then you do not understand. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #88
It's amazing GaryCnf Sep 2017 #90
It's amazing that you don't seem to understand what the CBO is Ninsianna Sep 2017 #91
Not just for you GaryCnf Sep 2017 #95
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #107
You can spin all you want FRIEND, it won't work GaryCnf Sep 2017 #109
I'm not spinning anything. The level of hostility and the clear ad hominems here show that you are. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #115
Do you understand that more than 60% of ALL Americans are what you disdainfully call "Centrists"? George II Sep 2017 #113
The CBO is a non-partisan organization. tammywammy Sep 2017 #53
John Barrasso agrees GaryCnf Sep 2017 #57
If he agreed that water was wet, would that also be something to Ninsianna Sep 2017 #64
You know who else derided the CBO? tammywammy Sep 2017 #76
It's amazing Ninsianna Sep 2017 #92
The CBO does have to score these bills, and of course they're Ninsianna Sep 2017 #62
It won't happen right away because the CBO has been order to drop everything to score Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #101
That's fine, but the ignorance about the CBO and the use of literally GOP Ninsianna Sep 2017 #108
You think the CBO is ultra right wing. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #99
Never said that GaryCnf Sep 2017 #100
It's exactly what was being referenced. Nt Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #105
What was being referenced GaryCnf Sep 2017 #106
As they should nini Sep 2017 #12
I remember when DU was ablaze thinking the CBO would not score republican plans nt msongs Sep 2017 #13
What is the CBO score of the newest GOP repeal of ACA (the GRAHAM CASSIDY Bill)?! BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #14
Why do they assert "Medicare For All" is free? It's not. Taxes will need to be raised Vinca Sep 2017 #17
Because their foolish supporters will latch onto it... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #21
We are already spending $3.2 Trillion annually TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #37
The system will need to be fixed internally as well, otherwise this won't work Amishman Sep 2017 #41
But even medicare doesn't cover no questions asked. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #94
That awkward moment when you start praising Republicans... Barack_America Sep 2017 #20
LOL! QC Sep 2017 #24
Oh I am sure the CBO will show how much cheaper on the whole single payer is applegrove Sep 2017 #25
Sure, if you think that a single public pool'd be cheaper than the 20% overhead that the for-profit Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #29
Exactly. I studied public policy economics in university. Public health care applegrove Sep 2017 #30
the logic isn't terribly complicated. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #32
And reduces costs. Canadian healthcare costs less than 2/3rds of American health care per person. applegrove Sep 2017 #35
It will show cheaper health care and increased coverage but those will be glossed over by Repubs. LonePirate Sep 2017 #54
Absolutely. applegrove Sep 2017 #58
Yeah, whatever happened to "you better stop piling on Booker and Harris"? Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #27
The bill doesn't include funding details so there is nothing for CBO JI7 Sep 2017 #26
Actually GaryCnf Sep 2017 #40
The article says the bill has no funding mechanism. So what are republicans JI7 Sep 2017 #46
Exactly! GaryCnf Sep 2017 #49
If we are serious about eventually implementing it, a CBO score is needed. SaschaHM Sep 2017 #43
And to start a campaign that higher taxes will be worth it JI7 Sep 2017 #47
I actually don't think it will be the taxes that doom it. SaschaHM Sep 2017 #50
Yes. That's where we had the lawsuits when it came to ACA JI7 Sep 2017 #51
It will be tripped up as it was in the 90's. Most still have workplace insurance and don't want to Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #96
Somehow Britain and many other industrialized nations have pulled it off for the last 50 years or so Impeach Trump Sep 2017 #44
I don't have a problem with there being a CBO score dsc Sep 2017 #48
Here's a good article on what Sanders released today that actually has some numbers. Hoyt Sep 2017 #52
"where does he come up with these fictitious pots of money" ZX86 Sep 2017 #81
Well, you have a point, but it's still bull. Hoyt Sep 2017 #82
How about a CBO score for that money pit, also known as the Defense Department, while we are at it? jalan48 Sep 2017 #87
Now you're talking! CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #112
Good! I want to see the CBO score! CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #110
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