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19. I LOVE Obama

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 08:49 AM

Sep 2017

But one could argue his lack of political experience hurt him. Maybe he would have been better off as a senator for another term or two or governor before running for president.

Recently on Pod Save America some ex Obama staffers were discussing their naivete. They said when negotiating a debt ceiling increase, Obama started his offer with tax cuts to give the GOP cover. But in retrospect they realized the GOP wasn't negotiating in good faith. That is shocking naivete on Obama's part. He should have known from day 1 not to trust the GOP. Maybe if he had a little more experience he would have done things differently. (On the other hand maybe this is just Obamas personality and he was the wrong leader for a time with an autocratic GOP).

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CA wants to move to head of class in primaries. See ya Iowa....Kind of love this. [View all] jodymarie aimee Sep 2017 OP

It might be fun to see a national primary day-- sort of super super Tuesday... TreasonousBastard Sep 2017 #1

So you think our entire campaign should be built on TV ads... brooklynite Sep 2017 #92

Californians aren't real voters? yardwork Sep 2017 #101

Californians are too numerous for an effective grassroots campaign. brooklynite Sep 2017 #115

Fuck the real voters in Iowa. They're conservatives, no matter what their party. stopbush Sep 2017 #109

Not a fan of this idea JDC Sep 2017 #2

Sorry, but the millions here deserve a say too. TDale313 Sep 2017 #4

Do you not have a say before your primary now? JDC Sep 2017 #5

By the time we vote, it's already over. TDale313 Sep 2017 #6

Just moved to Oregon but most of life in Cali marlakay Sep 2017 #88

National primaries are an interesting idea, TDale313 Sep 2017 #98

So it's ok for California to be last but not ok for Iowa to be last? yardwork Sep 2017 #39

+1 dalton99a Sep 2017 #42

I disagree. I am sick of Iowa and the drama! nt USALiberal Sep 2017 #13

I live in Iowa and I agree exboyfil Sep 2017 #58

Great idea! n/t USALiberal Sep 2017 #69

That is an excellent idea! mcar Sep 2017 #72

What about primaries scheduled by % of Dem votes. REWARD our voters. nt chimpymustgo Sep 2017 #75

That too but part of the effort exboyfil Sep 2017 #77

+1000. Caucuses are undemocratic. yardwork Sep 2017 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author pbmus Sep 2017 #108

I'm from Iowa and I agree. SharonClark Sep 2017 #85

Thanks for the info!! n/t USALiberal Sep 2017 #116

Yes but progressive California leans against some corp candidates sharedvalues Sep 2017 #14

I agree with that. JDC Sep 2017 #18

Iowa is such a nothing state. It's about time for a change. smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #32

Please don't call us a nothing state exboyfil Sep 2017 #59

Sorry, I didn't mean that. smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #68

Then that is what you should have said in the first place. SharonClark Sep 2017 #86

Also to say it represents what America is thinking is bullshit . I am less than 5 hours away from lunasun Sep 2017 #34

Not just Iowa. New Hampshire is also white, rural, conservative. yardwork Sep 2017 #40

"white, rural, conservative" teamster633 Sep 2017 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork Sep 2017 #51

Iowa Dem caucus goers gave Obama a huge head start. They hate Steve King as much as you do. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #78

If we want to win more then this might be our best option to do that as right now the Repugnants cstanleytech Sep 2017 #22

What if the "smaller name" wins the California primary? yardwork Sep 2017 #30

How does a lesser known candidate get the money mythology Sep 2017 #37

Is it less expensive in Iowa and New Hampshire? yardwork Sep 2017 #38

Yes lot less expensive and being a small state allows candidates to reach all voters JI7 Sep 2017 #79

Yes. The state is small enough that it is cheaper for unknowns to campaign in. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #80

Actually the inverse is true. Media markets in Iowa are cheap and easily bought while media markets grantcart Sep 2017 #63

Bingo! stopbush Sep 2017 #113

Tired of candidates bending over backwards for Iowa votes itsrobert Sep 2017 #76

The fallacy here is that that CA would never go for an "outlier" candidate. TeamPooka Sep 2017 #90

Yeah, because with the process we currently have stopbush Sep 2017 #112

About friggin' time. TDale313 Sep 2017 #3

Or a minimum population to have a representative greymattermom Sep 2017 #8

After DC gets two senators (more people than Wyoming) sharedvalues Sep 2017 #15

Yes another issue! lunasun Sep 2017 #36

In NJ JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #9

Be careful, Iowa gave us Obama BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #7

I LOVE Obama sharedvalues Sep 2017 #19

agreed 109% flibbitygiblets Sep 2017 #21

I love Obama too but I too felt he was too green in 08 tymorial Sep 2017 #26

He won twice BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #33

Hillary Clinton would have been an excellent president. Do you disagree? yardwork Sep 2017 #31

2016 yes DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #52

Democrats who repeat Republican talking points should be shamed. yardwork Sep 2017 #54

what republican point DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #55

Just a general observation. I feel that attacking Democrats harms the country. yardwork Sep 2017 #57

well I voted for her in 2016 DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #62

I would like the order of primaries set by how inclusive the state's voting rights are n2doc Sep 2017 #10

These are excellent ideas and should be implemented. nt Doremus Sep 2017 #27

States that deliver Democratic votes in the GE should have more say in the primaries. yardwork Sep 2017 #45

They get more delegates to the convention. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #49

IA gave their measly six Electoral College Votes to Chump DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #11

Iowans vote for nutcases like Rep. Steve King. oasis Sep 2017 #29

Exactly how much cross over do you think there is mythology Sep 2017 #71

IOWA DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS GOERS DID NOT VOTE FOR STEVE KING emulatorloo Sep 2017 #81

Very good point! The states who support Democrats in the GE should lead the primaries. yardwork Sep 2017 #41

If IA is going to hold us hostage they can take their 6 Trump E C Votes and shove em. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #46

hell yes from Florida DonCoquixote Sep 2017 #53

CA and FL look a lot more like America than IA DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #84

dunno why you confuse IA Democratic caucus voters with IA Republican caucus goers. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #83

I'm not confusing the Democrats and Republicans. Maybe you were responding to someone else? yardwork Sep 2017 #99

Yeah, I think I was replying to someone else. But I will say the idea of "real" states is a emulatorloo Sep 2017 #105

I've never said anything about "real" states. All states matter. yardwork Sep 2017 #107

Oh I didn't mean you said that. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #111

Yes and no crazycatlady Sep 2017 #95

about time a blue state had some say! cally Sep 2017 #12

DNC hated when we in Florida did that in 2008. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #16

The DNC will do whatever CA tells them to do. stopbush Sep 2017 #114

Well Howard Dean had no problem threatening my primary vote in 2008. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #119

Oregon is considering moving its primary up as well. jalan48 Sep 2017 #17

woot woot! My home state and my adopted one flibbitygiblets Sep 2017 #23

Yep-except for the current forest fires it's the best! jalan48 Sep 2017 #24

Rain starts later today! flibbitygiblets Sep 2017 #25

I just moved to Oregon marlakay Sep 2017 #91

Welcome to Oregon, Marlakay! flibbitygiblets Sep 2017 #110

Your welcome marlakay Sep 2017 #120

And have to Provide Tax Forms to run in California padfun Sep 2017 #20

It should be a requirement to run in primaries. All candidates must release 5 years of tax returns. yardwork Sep 2017 #43

Are you sure the Supreme Court will see it that way exboyfil Sep 2017 #64

Obviously. It's not hard to guess why some here don't like the suggestion though. yardwork Sep 2017 #67

Personally, I would just move my state to January, exciting though Not Ruth Sep 2017 #28

California should move up it's primary. comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #35

Not real excited about this idea. DK504 Sep 2017 #44

We're talking about the primaries, i.e., who the party chooses as our nominee. yardwork Sep 2017 #47

Given the Population Differential Between CA and IA, This Makes Good Sense dlk Sep 2017 #48

Rotate ALL states JCMach1 Sep 2017 #56

As an Iowan who has to put up with endless campaign commercials every four years, Itchinjim Sep 2017 #60

Blackhawk is purple too exboyfil Sep 2017 #66

I forgot about Waterloo. Good union town, and UNI in Cedar Falls. Itchinjim Sep 2017 #93

Oh, and the phone calls Bettie Sep 2017 #94

The bill would not put California before Iowa. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #61

Which means it might have the pernicious effect exboyfil Sep 2017 #65

Where do you think most Iowans are on this question? Jim Lane Sep 2017 #73

The parties should control the process exboyfil Sep 2017 #74

The lesson of 2008 is not encouraging. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #104

NH and IA could move their primaries to January 2019? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #87

No, I meant they might try December 2019. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #102

Why not January 2019? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #118

If California's primary moves to early March, NH and IA are still first Fiendish Thingy Sep 2017 #70

The system must change. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #82

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #89

I'm sorry, I don't understand anything you're saying. yardwork Sep 2017 #103

The most democratic way sarisataka Sep 2017 #96

The parties need take some measure of control. They should rotate which states go first ... Persondem Sep 2017 #97

Talk is cheap. nocalflea Sep 2017 #106

put top 5 or 6 electoral states up first and see how it plays beachbum bob Sep 2017 #117