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45. "quit reading pointing at each word"

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Mon Sep 18, 2017, 01:16 PM

Sep 2017

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Watched the first installment of Ken Burns' The Vietnam War [View all] question everything Sep 2017 OP

"still having a hard time wrapping any logic explanation around it". GP6971 Sep 2017 #1

I agree you and your wife. riverbendviewgal Sep 2017 #2

I grew up with this war and it was the "Domino Effect" LeftInTX Sep 2017 #3

Yes, it was. Two-word foreign policy. nt marybourg Sep 2017 #57

Like Iraq, VN wasn't a threat to us - Just a place to kill innocent Asians (Muslims) with our bombs. Hoyt Sep 2017 #4

Muslims? left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #30

Jeeez -- Muslims refers to Iraq. We were killing Asians in Vietnam. Muslims refers to Iraq where Hoyt Sep 2017 #33

Ken Burns show is about Vietnam left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #43

Nope, quit reading pointing at each word. I stated that VN, like Iraq, were just exercise in killing Hoyt Sep 2017 #44

"quit reading pointing at each word" left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #45

You did note the use of parenthesis? Probably not the best way to convey the idea. retread Sep 2017 #46

"we were also just bombing people because they weren't European" EX500rider Sep 2017 #59

WWII was the last legitimate war. You gonna tell us how Vietnam and Iraq were legitimate wars? Hoyt Sep 2017 #60

Didn't bring up legitimacy... EX500rider Sep 2017 #62

We bombed VN because we could and they were Asians, sorry. Same for Iraq, but they were Muslims. Hoyt Sep 2017 #64

1st, we could bomb any country if it's because "we could"... EX500rider Sep 2017 #65

Do you seriously think people in N or S Vietnam wanted us there napalming women and children? Hoyt Sep 2017 #67

Did the S Vietnamese want us there helping keep out N Vietnam? EX500rider Sep 2017 #69

It seems Wiki's Buddhist number is too high dalton99a Sep 2017 #36

I've got it recorded SHRED Sep 2017 #5

I have been interested in Vietnam ever since I saw Apocalypse Now BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #6

Love Peter Coyote narrating it as well........ a kennedy Sep 2017 #12

That is very thoughtful and kind. Much appreciated! BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #70

While Apocalypse Now has been the definite movie about the early days of the war question everything Sep 2017 #41

yes, we never should have "given" the French back Vietnam. That was the big mistake. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #7

It was ALL about the Cold War. same with Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia , Latin America ETC JI7 Sep 2017 #8

Did they mention SEATO? JFK and LBJ saw it as crucial bluepen Sep 2017 #9

I don't remember that being mentioned, but... SMC22307 Sep 2017 #19

When JFK was considering running for Congress, in 1947 question everything Sep 2017 #42

I have a buddy who says we were there for oil. philly_bob Sep 2017 #10

I have heard that too. AnotherDreamWeaver Sep 2017 #16

I thought it was rubber for Michelin. muntrv Sep 2017 #55

Fear of communism Beringia Sep 2017 #11

If he doesn't talk about rubber his history will be incomplete jmowreader Sep 2017 #13

There's a clip of Nixon at a map mentioning rubber and tin. (n/t) SMC22307 Sep 2017 #20

That's good jmowreader Sep 2017 #21

Mostly the old double cross by the US, things could have been very different. Historic NY Sep 2017 #14

After WWI, Ho Chi Minh tried to communicate with Woodrow Wilson about independence from France muntrv Sep 2017 #54

They refused to meet with him.... Historic NY Sep 2017 #71

We should have cleared out like Dewey said in 1945. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #15

that really jumped out at me. mopinko Sep 2017 #31

They thought he was French: dalton99a Sep 2017 #34

Amazing how one fucking bullet can change the course of history. nt SunSeeker Sep 2017 #35

It was... 2naSalit Sep 2017 #58

A continual series of wrong turns. bluestateboomer Sep 2017 #17

I've been traveling and didn't know when this DOCU was going to be on. YOHABLO Sep 2017 #18

You can stream it. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #22

Link: dalton99a Sep 2017 #73

This critique is worth reading pokerfan Sep 2017 #23

Good essay! CanSocDem Sep 2017 #28

+1 leftstreet Sep 2017 #78

It must have been intense CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #24

So far, it looks to be a series well worth taking the time to watch. oasis Sep 2017 #25

I've said it before madokie Sep 2017 #26

Glad you made it back, madokie. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #38

Thank you madokie Sep 2017 #53

Seconded. mahina Feb 2020 #80

My Dad too, mahina Feb 2020 #79

Ho Chi Minh was a nationalist first and Communist second, as they put it Tarc Sep 2017 #27

Yep. Seems to me he only turned to the communists after everyone else told him to fuck off. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #39

It's my understanding that this is something that many people here understood too xor Sep 2017 #47

I was struck by the CIA diverting Ho Chi Minh's letters to Wilson, Trum,an and Ike The Blue Flower Sep 2017 #29

Tried to watch, but I am so tired of the cliched editing Burns employs stopbush Sep 2017 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #37

Perhaps. But I thought that he provided important historical background question everything Sep 2017 #49

It will change zipplewrath Sep 2017 #63

I thought it was first-rate. Looking forward to the entire series. Paladin Sep 2017 #40

Spoiler Alert:. The Vietnamese won. AngryAmish Sep 2017 #48

There was a member of Congress, do not remember who, suggesting that we should have just question everything Sep 2017 #50

That should have been done 15 years ago. AngryAmish Sep 2017 #51

Not really metalbot Sep 2017 #68

Kept thinking of Pinboy39er, and my Dad. mahina Sep 2017 #52

The USA had an opportunity to work with Ho right after The_Casual_Observer Sep 2017 #56

The Vietnamese were pressing for freedoms as early as the Versailles Treaty. LanternWaste Sep 2017 #61

The intricacies and complexity is astounding loyalsister Sep 2017 #66

Burns did an excellent job elucidating the genesis of the debacle dalton99a Sep 2017 #72

I lived through that time and it is excellent so far Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #74

I remember Sheehan's book. I think that he had to fight the CIA to publish question everything Sep 2017 #75

At the time, fairly or unfairly, a lot of Diem's nuttiness was being blamed on his first lady Warpy Sep 2017 #76

From watching the 3rd episode Beringia Sep 2017 #77