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Weekend Warrior

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137. If that is the theory by some, as you state, I fully agree with you.

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 11:03 AM

Sep 2017

I believe Sanders is not a strategist in any way. Therefore, I could not believe said theory to be accurate. I believe many of Sanders actions are damaging. I also believe it has to do with his inability to coalition build and lack of understanding when it comes to sound strategy. Over his career I believe his desires bern strong to make this country a better place. I do think he is now a full blown politician so his motives are a bit different than they have been. I still think in his mind his goals are righteous and thoughts are based in my best interests. He just doesn't know how to get from point a to point b in a constructive manner. Overall, what motivates him is something I take zero issue with over the span of his career as a politician. IOW, I do believe his track record is strong enough for me to not question his motives.

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Bernie Sanders supported the ACA. His support was crucial. [View all] Jim Lane Sep 2017 OP

Single Payer failed at the state level in Vermont and Colorado. the problems with it have nothing to JI7 Sep 2017 #1

I'm addressing the idiotic smear against Bernie Sanders. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #3

It was shitty post HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #5

You should call out in person, to their FACE these OFF the deep end people you talk about Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #102

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #259

I was angry that single payer was introduced. And if we lose the ACA, it played a role. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #22

Your anger is misplaced. KPN Sep 2017 #87

What is right and just is not risking the ACA until you have the votes to pass your ideal bill? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #91

Well, we disagree on that I guess. I should probably add -- KPN Sep 2017 #99

The ACA is all we have and is certainly sustainable...single payer is not doable at this moment. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #117

You'll have to explain the sustainable part to me. KPN Sep 2017 #310

That's not true...it is because it is sustainable they need to kill it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #312

The ACA has been sabotaged repeatedly by the GOP...and still did much good and it is all we have for Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #313

We obviously have different perrspectioves on what sustainability means. KPN Sep 2017 #315

Sanders said that "Medicare for All" isn't possible now.... ehrnst Sep 2017 #180

I hear you KPN, but some around her never let facts get in the way of throwing Bernie under the bus! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #279

Seems that way doesn't it. KPN Sep 2017 #308

Definitely not! Here we are, our party in the worst shape electorally, in my LIFETIME... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #316

Personally, I'm beginning to understand why KPN Sep 2017 #323

Glad to hear... neither is Bernie, thankfully. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #325

Well let me help you. Adrahil Sep 2017 #304

Oh poo! KPN Sep 2017 #309

Right there with you KPN! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #326

Your point is well taken. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #162

Politifact gave it a "mostly false" ruling. ehrnst Sep 2017 #175

Unbelievable that you just proved the opposite but this thread continues. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #216

Your post is a lie. See #223. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #225

I think the people resorting to ad hominems because they cannot accept facts are the ones Ninsianna Sep 2017 #261

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #262

"A lie"? "Not just stating the facts"? Did you read the article that was linked? George II Sep 2017 #263

Just went looking for #223, couldn't find it. George II Sep 2017 #324

Why do this us versus them shtick? Cary Sep 2017 #296

No the problems in Colorado, at least, had to do with the way the initiative was worded, PatrickforO Sep 2017 #13

You speak the truth. I appreciate that. KPN Sep 2017 #89

I have heard multiple explanations for why single payer failed in Vermont and Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #126

So where is the analysis on those obstacles? ehrnst Sep 2017 #178

Single payer and Colorado CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #17

Can you direct us to that analysis of why it failed? ehrnst Sep 2017 #153

I wrote a very big thing on here but I can't seem to find it CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #198

Single payer did not "fail" in Vermont, it was never enacted karynnj Sep 2017 #210

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #2

Excuse me, did you say "is GETTING downright insane"? Jim Lane Sep 2017 #4

This is exactly what is wrong...most of these posts deal with 'It's not his fault' maybe it is, Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #24

Bright shiny unfulfillable promises distract lawmakers AND discourage or suppress public activism... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #64

Exactly, all this excitement over a bill that could never become law. It gave the GOP an opening. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #97

Right, lawmakers and the public can't deal with more than one idea at a time. KPN Sep 2017 #120

Unfortunately people have a hard time with it- cannot suss out what's worthwhile or possible when bettyellen Sep 2017 #139

Oh, so you don't have faith in people coming out strongly enough KPN Sep 2017 #146

I'm concerned that activists are already feeling burned out as well- but regarding the general bettyellen Sep 2017 #220

This (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #290

I know. You're absolutely correct. They're only human after all... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #143

So apparently the public paid attention to the Medicare For All News but not the KPN Sep 2017 #152

Apparently so. Sad, isn't it? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #160

It'll happen CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #206

No. I'm being realistic. It will be 25 years or more before it happens. And... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #211

25 years until we have single payer isn't realistic CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #217

LOL --- Like I said, it's an intoxicating fantasy. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #218

Wishful thinking? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #229

LOL. Stop it. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #234

LOL nope CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #237

Enjoy your fantasy. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #238

Enjoy your Republican talking points about single payer CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #240

"The Republican National Committee Is Weaponizing Bernie Sanders Single-Payer Plan" lapucelle Sep 2017 #284

Right. Anyone who doesn't agree with Sanders ehrnst Sep 2017 #295

Did someone posting on DU just blame Obamacare for the uninsured and deaths? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #244

I believe so. Now *that's* what I'd call RW talking points... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #257

Those are the talking points of the day, it seems. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #265

It is 100% realistic? Bernie says it won't pass... ehrnst Sep 2017 #267

The ACA itself may have been done in a relatively short time frame, but it was the culmination... George II Sep 2017 #276

Oh sure CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #281

A form of single payer was introduced by John Dingell SR. back in 1943, so yes it's been around.... George II Sep 2017 #282

There are a couple reasons why people are excited CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #283

The ACA was also not as sweeping or disruptive as what is being proposed as "m4a" ehrnst Sep 2017 #292

Well, single payer has been introduced every single year since 1935, it's a Democratic Ninsianna Sep 2017 #245

And if it doesn't - like it hasn't despite the many times it's been brought up? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #291

When people find out they have been lied to about a promise ehrnst Sep 2017 #182

Promise? KPN Sep 2017 #184

Yes. ehrnst Sep 2017 #203

What promise? KPN Sep 2017 #233

See also: "You can keep your doctor." ehrnst Sep 2017 #145

How about we wait and see what actually happens before blaming KPN Sep 2017 #116

I hope it doesn't fall, but it is not looking good for our side...call and call some more. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #119

Democrats do represent the majority of people. Universal health care is already in the platform. ehrnst Sep 2017 #150

So what's the problem? KPN Sep 2017 #156

I was going to ask you the same thing.... ehrnst Sep 2017 #168

Seriously? You think voters' views of parties/candidates are formed KPN Sep 2017 #173

Oh. Do you think that the Democrats are lying in the platform? ehrnst Sep 2017 #186

I think the Democratic Party has failed to follow through on its platform KPN Sep 2017 #190

Can you give some examples? ehrnst Sep 2017 #204

This is true, I guess that's why there is so much hostile pushback when Ninsianna Sep 2017 #280

"wait and see" equals "let it burn" #Sad. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #151

Saw that one coming, but surprised it took so long. KPN Sep 2017 #155

"but surprised it took so long" --- Huh? What does that even mean? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #165

???? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #166

Thanks, Katy Tur just asked someone on MSNBC if this single payer bill "galvanized" R B Garr Sep 2017 #231

Wow! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #241

Yes, Stephanie's show is great. She addressed the caller by saying there was a new poll R B Garr Sep 2017 #247

couldn't agree more ProfessorPlum Sep 2017 #43

"it's been downright insane for quite some time now" left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #109

BEYOND insane... how does dissing THE most popular active politician... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #31

If the ACA fails...will that still be true? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #60

Yes, even MORE popular for the reasons I've given you in other posts. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #122

We shall see. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #127

Yes, and I will certainly credit you if you turn out to be right. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #130

No need for that, all I want is to get the damn GOP out of of as many office as possible! Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #307

Feel the exact same way... we can do this! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #317

The ACA is the farthest down the road we have ever been to UHC. ehrnst Sep 2017 #171

Why couldn't this Medicare for all push wait until Oct. 1 when the repugs could no longer... brush Sep 2017 #115

So you don't trust the judgement of Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken, ... KPN Sep 2017 #125

You know very well they are positioning themselves for 2020 and had to sign on to this brush Sep 2017 #133

It could have. But I think strategically/tactically it makes more sense KPN Sep 2017 #167

What's silly is to endanger what the millions of newly insured have now. brush Sep 2017 #174

Our views differ significantly. KPN Sep 2017 #181

I think we can agree though that the repugs won't pass Medicare for all, right? brush Sep 2017 #183

Right -- but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be fighting openly for it imo. KPN Sep 2017 #185

Fair enough. brush Sep 2017 #188

Their judgement was that the bill shouldn't have been introduced at this time, otherwwise.... George II Sep 2017 #215

So are you sayin all those potential 2020 presidential candidates that co-sponsored Bernie's bill... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #128

Most probably would've preferred to wait to make repealing the ACA harder for the repugs... brush Sep 2017 #135

So why couldn't all those potential candidates - starting18 MONTHS from now - wait a couple weeks InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #140

Maybe smart for their presidential positioning but is the roll out of this smart now... brush Sep 2017 #148

If what you're saying is true, don't you think these candidates are politically adept enough... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #154

If they didn't sign on they would've been vilified by many of you know whose supporters... brush Sep 2017 #170

I agree. It is getting insane ... KPN Sep 2017 #103

+1 leftstreet Sep 2017 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Sep 2017 #7

Bernie could have won anyway. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #8

Bernie ran without significant Democratic opposition in 2012. SaschaHM Sep 2017 #9

Bernie in his home state is widely popular on BOTH sides of the aisle CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #18

He wouldn't be widely popular if he joined the Republicans and voted down Obamacare. SaschaHM Sep 2017 #149

On that we agree CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #199

He didn't do that. Did he? KPN Sep 2017 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Sep 2017 #214

Thank you.... zentrum Sep 2017 #10

At this point the only thing that matters is what he does NOW, not what he did then. pnwmom Sep 2017 #11

That was said here? sheshe2 Sep 2017 #14

Multiple times. Someone said it to me just today. n/t pnwmom Sep 2017 #15

I have seen it too... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #27

Another group: VoteVets tweeted that 1,750,000 veterans will lose Medicaid coverage. n/t pnwmom Sep 2017 #16

K&R nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #12

That's nice and all, but in September of 2017, his SuperPAC is pushing his bill Ninsianna Sep 2017 #19

Love Peeps... especially the chocolate-covered ones! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #34

Defining them as "peeps" in the manner in which you have... Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #69

Thanks... was hopin someone would get it. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #163

When I said the same thing, I was attacked. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #172

So you think the people who make up the Revolution who are cheering on the demise Ninsianna Sep 2017 #161

Obviously, this person didn't get the analogy like Weekend Warrior above... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #164

Obviously, you forgot what you typed. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #169

Didn't forget... was talking about the original Bernie's "peeps" comment... and the throwing of them InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #176

Nope, you seem to be talking in riddles. What "original" peeps comment? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #242

Wow, talk about throwin peeps under the bus! ... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #271

I wouldn't bother with ruining a bus's tires with that nastiness. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #273

You can say what you want, but I heard more than one GOP Senator saying , we have to pass Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #20

Yes, it's all Bernie's fault for tryin to guarantee healthcare as a basic human right InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #36

God forbid Bernie put up a bill contrasting real health care that provides actual heath care in Autumn Sep 2017 #49

Exactly! Ironically, Bernie is the one politician who can lead us out of this morass. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #50

I haven't seen a single one of my Democratic Senators out there defending the ACA. Autumn Sep 2017 #52

Mine too cannot be found... but there's Bernie leading the way, while being thrown under the bus. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #92

How exactly? I have seen no signs that a super majority is possible and that is what it will take Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #63

Nope, if GOP repeals ACA, tRumpCare will be the noose that hangs 'em in 2018 & 2020. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #98

I see...and the thousands that die because Trump or some GOP is in office until 2020? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #121

That is the coldest, most cynical statement Skidmore Sep 2017 #132

You do know the meaning of the word "IF"? That's a far cry from wishing something would happen! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #147

Besides the madman in the WH, Skidmore Sep 2017 #157

As long as you got my drift... thank you. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #159

We have no idea who will be our candidate in 2020, most of us are not thinking about that yet.... George II Sep 2017 #138

Who said they're rooting for repeal of the ACA? Nice try with the strawman argument... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #142

I have seen many Dems defending the ACA. I have not seen Sen. Sanders doing so. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #76

Oh okay, so because you didn't see Bernie on 2 cable channels last night, he's AWOL... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #101

Give me an example. You say he is doing this...I have not seen it. I hope you are right. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #105

No, I didn't say Bernie appeared last night on the 2 cable shows you mentioned. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #114

I am not a fan of Sen. Sanders...I know shocking but he caucuses with us and if I am being unfair... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #136

You haven't seen Bernie defending the ACA? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #288

I don't see a word defending the ACA...just about stopping the GOP...he should talk about how Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #302

If we lose the ACA who's fault is it? The GOP's of course. But what has given them cover? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #74

Bernie is the solution, not the problem. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #104

That remains to be seen...depending on what happens with the ACA which is our only path Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #107

I respect your opinion, but totally disagree... as I already said, the GOP'S repeal of the ACA... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #118

Even if repealing the ACA lead to the GOP' demise in 18 or 20, Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #131

"do not run on single payer in 18" holy fucking shit. yodermon Sep 2017 #93

We must be in Bizzarro World! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #106

As he said, after ACA debate "[Single Payer] would have had 8 or 10 votes and thats it" in Senate. Hoyt Sep 2017 #21

I think it it may cost us healthcare...more convinced after watching the news. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #28

After the ACA was finally enacted, I always thought a Pubic Option was Hoyt Sep 2017 #208

I do also because I think that eventually fewer employers will offer health coverage. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #306

Yes. But, even that is probably wishful thinking nowadays, but it sure makes sense. Hoyt Sep 2017 #319

Perhaps here GaryCnf Sep 2017 #23

Yes that is exactly what I am saying...the single payer bill is essentaily a replacement bill Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #25

We aren't getting GaryCnf Sep 2017 #30

It is not brilliant politics if we lose the ACA...we have no shot at single payer at t his moment... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #32

The brilliant politics GaryCnf Sep 2017 #40

If we run on the ACA assuming we can save it after this fiasco, we could Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #67

What makes you think I blame the Democrats involved? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #35

You accused those introducing this bill GaryCnf Sep 2017 #41

She isn't wrong. She's being polite. ucrdem Sep 2017 #42

Exactly right...we all know why Democrats who are running for president supported this bill...and I Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #48

This bill was sponsored by Sen. Sanders...he has co-sponsors for the reasons detailed in original Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #44

The sponsor of the bill is Sen. Sanders...the others are co-sponsors and I understand why this is Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #51

He voted for it, reluctantly. Evidence of support I frankly haven't seen. ucrdem Sep 2017 #26

I have not seen much support either. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #29

Telling the truth is a thankless task ucrdem Sep 2017 #33

It is true. I have no clue why some here who will really be hurt by losing the ACA Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #45

Bernie has always supported the ACA over lesser solutions. Always. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #37

Not enough...you don't sponsor a replacement bill and then say you are for what is being replaced. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #46

You realize GaryCnf Sep 2017 #55

I would support single payer if I thought we could get it into law...it would take work but I would Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #77

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2017 #134

He's still voting in favor of it. mythology Sep 2017 #38

How he votes is not relevant. I am sure he will vote to retain the ACA. All Democrats and Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #47

Bernie invented the ACA decades ago. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #39

I'm not surprised. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #61

Thanks for this Bettie Sep 2017 #53

Oh, please! His support was no more or less crucial than that of the other 59 supportive Senators. LonePirate Sep 2017 #54

Obviously, if you need 60 out of 60 votes GaryCnf Sep 2017 #56

After Kennedy became ill and Byrd as well, there was never a chance for single payer in 09. We got Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #59

Regardless who did or did not compromise, the ACA still needed 60 votes. Every vote was critical. LonePirate Sep 2017 #68

That is not the point. The point now is that the ACA is endangered...and the single payer bill Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #78

Yes, it does seem to have spooked the Repubs as much as the Kochs' $400M threat. LonePirate Sep 2017 #84

The OP is defending Sen. Sanders... I don't follow politcians, I vote for them...at Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #96

You may vote for them but others see it differently. LonePirate Sep 2017 #108

Others can do as they choose. I admired Pres. Obama tremendously. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #112

Yes it was...as many have pointed out, he has a following. And I have seen posts on this Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #57

No it wasn't. He had only a smidgen of the following in late 2009 compared to now. LonePirate Sep 2017 #66

I am talking about now and the damage being done to the ACA by this single payer bill...and the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #81

Dems could push through M4A via reconciliation with just 50 votes and a VP. LonePirate Sep 2017 #86

No they can't because it would increase the deficit...the bill is being scored now but previous Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #95

I repeat, they could pass it w/50 & VP if it is fully funded. They can and should make that happen. LonePirate Sep 2017 #100

It would increase the deficit no matter how it is funded. No stand alone health care bill can Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #110

We can agree to disagree. If GC passes via reconciliation, so can M4A. LonePirate Sep 2017 #113

GC leave much of the AC in place...it sets it up for failure...and there is money to be had by Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #123

You meant to say Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #200

That is what I meant..thanks! Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #305

Considering that many here like to paint Sanders as the non-Democrat, evil, Satan of the Senate... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #65

He's neither the Satan or the Savior of the Senate. Too many here think he is one or the other. LonePirate Sep 2017 #70

I agree... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #72

I see exactly the opposite of what you're seeing. LonePirate Sep 2017 #75

I dont really venture out of GD and a bit of LBN... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #85

Well, Cassidy has said he's adding an amendment to prevent states from creating single payer systems LonePirate Sep 2017 #90

is this a callout irisblue Sep 2017 #141

No. N/t TCJ70 Sep 2017 #144

What support? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #71

Blah, blah blah... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #73

Not only will it be bad but in one of life's greatest ironies...it will end our chances to Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #82

Glad he sided with progressives and Democrats. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #58

I'm not saying "he should get special thanks" -- let me clarify. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #83

If that is the theory by some, as you state, I fully agree with you. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #137

So what does he want Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2017 #62

HE probably doesn't want anything, not giving a damn about smears on DU. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #79

You don't think putting up a single payer bill during the fight to save the ACA was a bad idea? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #88

Some of us don't hate Bernie. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2017 #272

No More Crucial Than Any Other Senator Me. Sep 2017 #80

I love how many of the people on here..... vi5 Sep 2017 #94

Bit different that... Manchin didn't introduce any single payer bill during a critical time for the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #124

Stop it. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #111

Politifact checked this and gave it a "Mostly False" ruling. ehrnst Sep 2017 #158

My you really do have it in for Bernie. KPN Sep 2017 #177

Fact checking is "having it in for Bernie?" ehrnst Sep 2017 #179

Yes, in this particular instance. KPN Sep 2017 #187

I'm talking about an analysis that Politifact did. And the claim got a "mostly false" ruling. ehrnst Sep 2017 #189

No, I'm responding to your previous question, and my answer to that KPN Sep 2017 #191

So you say "yes, Fact checking Bernie is indeed "having it in for Bernie." ehrnst Sep 2017 #193

No, because you have consistently criticized KPN Sep 2017 #196

So now you are saying that you've changed your answer to the question ehrnst Sep 2017 #197

Lol. Whiplash? Talk about projection. KPN Sep 2017 #205

And you think that "fact checking Bernie" equals "having it in for Bernie." ehrnst Sep 2017 #207

Lol. Just the messenger. That's a good one! KPN Sep 2017 #209

Yeah - Politifact did the fact checking, and you flame me. ehrnst Sep 2017 #212

It is much simpler... tonedevil Sep 2017 #221

I think that the headline and "mostly false" ehrnst Sep 2017 #222

I just like the full truth... tonedevil Sep 2017 #226

You mean edited "truth" ehrnst Sep 2017 #248

You pointed out the headline... tonedevil Sep 2017 #251

No. I pointed out that the headline summarized the content. ehrnst Sep 2017 #252

Yes it is crystal clear... tonedevil Sep 2017 #254

Are you saying the headline is fake? Or doesn't summarize the content? (Nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #255

I have very clearly written... tonedevil Sep 2017 #258

Well, the full text would be apparent to anyone who clicked on the link ehrnst Sep 2017 #264

So are you saying that about Politifact, too? It's their fact check...(nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #213

And here you thought the facts would matter... Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #239

My bad. ehrnst Sep 2017 #249

psst, your meme generator is in need of servicing. ucrdem Sep 2017 #227

OMG! LOL! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #192

And KPN doubles down...... ehrnst Sep 2017 #194

You're correct. It's not different. (Funny & sad. Sad & funny.) NurseJackie Sep 2017 #201

..... (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #202

How is that "having it in for Bernie"? You're not interested in facts and truth? George II Sep 2017 #219

+++ sheshe2 Sep 2017 #195

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #223

I was going to mention that the post in question was materially inaccurate GaryCnf Sep 2017 #228

The post relaying what Politifact had to say? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #253

It is correct that Politifact GaryCnf Sep 2017 #275

I posted it in response to the OP which stated that Sanders was "crucial" ehrnst Sep 2017 #293

The post, of course, "implied" no such thing GaryCnf Sep 2017 #297

Perhaps you missed this in the OP ehrnst Sep 2017 #298

Appears that Lieberman GaryCnf Sep 2017 #301

So three Senators are called "key" and that means that all the other dems, ehrnst Sep 2017 #311

But it wasn't factually incorrect. George II Sep 2017 #270

Speaking of "brigades"...people can see the posts on JPR R B Garr Sep 2017 #230

What is that supposed to mean? Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #243

I think you meant to respond to post #223... R B Garr Sep 2017 #246

No I meant your post. Seems like you are referring to something somebody posted somewhere else. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #287

It was the "crucial" part that was addressed by the Politicfact analysis. ehrnst Sep 2017 #250

I think you may have missed the "crucial" portion of the post. Are you saying Politifact's pants are ehrnst Sep 2017 #260

The OP isn't about whether he 'helped write' it; it's about whether his vote was crucial muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #268

No more crucial than anyone else's ehrnst Sep 2017 #294

No, that does not 'refute' the OP muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #303

OK - lets go through the OP ehrnst Sep 2017 #314

"Actually, he did indeed do very similar to that" - No. He voted for the ACA. muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #318

Again.... ehrnst Sep 2017 #320

No, you're still getting it wrong (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #321

No, I'm not. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #322

The vote was 60-39, not 1-39. George II Sep 2017 #224

Thank you for that reminder. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #269

Yes! Exactly! Adrahil Sep 2017 #300

The fact that they have been trying to take it away Lordquinton Sep 2017 #232

+1,000,000 George II Sep 2017 #266

The ACA is again in danger of repeal Progressive dog Sep 2017 #235

And in a major way he would have been right to vote it down. MadDAsHell Sep 2017 #236

And yet it has gotten us farther down the road to universal health care than we have ever been. ehrnst Sep 2017 #256

Doubling down on a broken system is "incremental?" nt MadDAsHell Sep 2017 #277

So you're going to be dancing for joy if the ACA gets repealed next week. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2017 #286

Are you saying that you want it repealed? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #289

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #274

Good luck extinguishing the eternal flame! guillaumeb Sep 2017 #278

Bernie Will Take Credit If ACA Is Saved, Blame Democrats If It Is Repealed TomCADem Sep 2017 #285

Obama was a prize fighter who pushed a better plan through. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #299