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ehrnst

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197. So now you are saying that you've changed your answer to the question

Wed Sep 20, 2017, 12:24 PM

Sep 2017

"Are you saying that Bernie shouldn't be expected to hold up to a fact check of his statements? " to NO? After you said one post up that it was YES?

I'm getting whiplash here.

Or are you saying that whenever EHRNST presents a fact check on Bernie, it needs to be shot down?

Is Politifact "out to get Bernie" by "fact checking" him too?

My experience here has shown that when people don't want to hear something about someone they idolize, they will double down.

I see it with DT's supporters.... When you view facts as "an attack" on someone, it's time to take a look at what your confirmation biases are.

You do Bernie no favors by trying to quash any and all dissent and facts that aren't complimentary to him. He can take it...he's been in politics a very long time now.

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Bernie Sanders supported the ACA. His support was crucial. [View all] Jim Lane Sep 2017 OP

Single Payer failed at the state level in Vermont and Colorado. the problems with it have nothing to JI7 Sep 2017 #1

I'm addressing the idiotic smear against Bernie Sanders. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #3

It was shitty post HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #5

You should call out in person, to their FACE these OFF the deep end people you talk about Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #102

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #259

I was angry that single payer was introduced. And if we lose the ACA, it played a role. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #22

Your anger is misplaced. KPN Sep 2017 #87

What is right and just is not risking the ACA until you have the votes to pass your ideal bill? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #91

Well, we disagree on that I guess. I should probably add -- KPN Sep 2017 #99

The ACA is all we have and is certainly sustainable...single payer is not doable at this moment. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #117

You'll have to explain the sustainable part to me. KPN Sep 2017 #310

That's not true...it is because it is sustainable they need to kill it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #312

The ACA has been sabotaged repeatedly by the GOP...and still did much good and it is all we have for Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #313

We obviously have different perrspectioves on what sustainability means. KPN Sep 2017 #315

Sanders said that "Medicare for All" isn't possible now.... ehrnst Sep 2017 #180

I hear you KPN, but some around her never let facts get in the way of throwing Bernie under the bus! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #279

Seems that way doesn't it. KPN Sep 2017 #308

Definitely not! Here we are, our party in the worst shape electorally, in my LIFETIME... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #316

Personally, I'm beginning to understand why KPN Sep 2017 #323

Glad to hear... neither is Bernie, thankfully. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #325

Well let me help you. Adrahil Sep 2017 #304

Oh poo! KPN Sep 2017 #309

Right there with you KPN! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #326

Your point is well taken. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #162

Politifact gave it a "mostly false" ruling. ehrnst Sep 2017 #175

Unbelievable that you just proved the opposite but this thread continues. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #216

Your post is a lie. See #223. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #225

I think the people resorting to ad hominems because they cannot accept facts are the ones Ninsianna Sep 2017 #261

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #262

"A lie"? "Not just stating the facts"? Did you read the article that was linked? George II Sep 2017 #263

Just went looking for #223, couldn't find it. George II Sep 2017 #324

Why do this us versus them shtick? Cary Sep 2017 #296

No the problems in Colorado, at least, had to do with the way the initiative was worded, PatrickforO Sep 2017 #13

You speak the truth. I appreciate that. KPN Sep 2017 #89

I have heard multiple explanations for why single payer failed in Vermont and Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #126

So where is the analysis on those obstacles? ehrnst Sep 2017 #178

Single payer and Colorado CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #17

Can you direct us to that analysis of why it failed? ehrnst Sep 2017 #153

I wrote a very big thing on here but I can't seem to find it CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #198

Single payer did not "fail" in Vermont, it was never enacted karynnj Sep 2017 #210

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #2

Excuse me, did you say "is GETTING downright insane"? Jim Lane Sep 2017 #4

This is exactly what is wrong...most of these posts deal with 'It's not his fault' maybe it is, Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #24

Bright shiny unfulfillable promises distract lawmakers AND discourage or suppress public activism... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #64

Exactly, all this excitement over a bill that could never become law. It gave the GOP an opening. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #97

Right, lawmakers and the public can't deal with more than one idea at a time. KPN Sep 2017 #120

Unfortunately people have a hard time with it- cannot suss out what's worthwhile or possible when bettyellen Sep 2017 #139

Oh, so you don't have faith in people coming out strongly enough KPN Sep 2017 #146

I'm concerned that activists are already feeling burned out as well- but regarding the general bettyellen Sep 2017 #220

This (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #290

I know. You're absolutely correct. They're only human after all... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #143

So apparently the public paid attention to the Medicare For All News but not the KPN Sep 2017 #152

Apparently so. Sad, isn't it? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #160

It'll happen CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #206

No. I'm being realistic. It will be 25 years or more before it happens. And... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #211

25 years until we have single payer isn't realistic CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #217

LOL --- Like I said, it's an intoxicating fantasy. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #218

Wishful thinking? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #229

LOL. Stop it. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #234

LOL nope CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #237

Enjoy your fantasy. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #238

Enjoy your Republican talking points about single payer CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #240

"The Republican National Committee Is Weaponizing Bernie Sanders Single-Payer Plan" lapucelle Sep 2017 #284

Right. Anyone who doesn't agree with Sanders ehrnst Sep 2017 #295

Did someone posting on DU just blame Obamacare for the uninsured and deaths? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #244

I believe so. Now *that's* what I'd call RW talking points... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #257

Those are the talking points of the day, it seems. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #265

It is 100% realistic? Bernie says it won't pass... ehrnst Sep 2017 #267

The ACA itself may have been done in a relatively short time frame, but it was the culmination... George II Sep 2017 #276

Oh sure CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #281

A form of single payer was introduced by John Dingell SR. back in 1943, so yes it's been around.... George II Sep 2017 #282

There are a couple reasons why people are excited CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #283

The ACA was also not as sweeping or disruptive as what is being proposed as "m4a" ehrnst Sep 2017 #292

Well, single payer has been introduced every single year since 1935, it's a Democratic Ninsianna Sep 2017 #245

And if it doesn't - like it hasn't despite the many times it's been brought up? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #291

When people find out they have been lied to about a promise ehrnst Sep 2017 #182

Promise? KPN Sep 2017 #184

Yes. ehrnst Sep 2017 #203

What promise? KPN Sep 2017 #233

See also: "You can keep your doctor." ehrnst Sep 2017 #145

How about we wait and see what actually happens before blaming KPN Sep 2017 #116

I hope it doesn't fall, but it is not looking good for our side...call and call some more. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #119

Democrats do represent the majority of people. Universal health care is already in the platform. ehrnst Sep 2017 #150

So what's the problem? KPN Sep 2017 #156

I was going to ask you the same thing.... ehrnst Sep 2017 #168

Seriously? You think voters' views of parties/candidates are formed KPN Sep 2017 #173

Oh. Do you think that the Democrats are lying in the platform? ehrnst Sep 2017 #186

I think the Democratic Party has failed to follow through on its platform KPN Sep 2017 #190

Can you give some examples? ehrnst Sep 2017 #204

This is true, I guess that's why there is so much hostile pushback when Ninsianna Sep 2017 #280

"wait and see" equals "let it burn" #Sad. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #151

Saw that one coming, but surprised it took so long. KPN Sep 2017 #155

"but surprised it took so long" --- Huh? What does that even mean? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #165

???? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #166

Thanks, Katy Tur just asked someone on MSNBC if this single payer bill "galvanized" R B Garr Sep 2017 #231

Wow! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #241

Yes, Stephanie's show is great. She addressed the caller by saying there was a new poll R B Garr Sep 2017 #247

couldn't agree more ProfessorPlum Sep 2017 #43

"it's been downright insane for quite some time now" left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #109

BEYOND insane... how does dissing THE most popular active politician... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #31

If the ACA fails...will that still be true? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #60

Yes, even MORE popular for the reasons I've given you in other posts. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #122

We shall see. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #127

Yes, and I will certainly credit you if you turn out to be right. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #130

No need for that, all I want is to get the damn GOP out of of as many office as possible! Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #307

Feel the exact same way... we can do this! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #317

The ACA is the farthest down the road we have ever been to UHC. ehrnst Sep 2017 #171

Why couldn't this Medicare for all push wait until Oct. 1 when the repugs could no longer... brush Sep 2017 #115

So you don't trust the judgement of Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken, ... KPN Sep 2017 #125

You know very well they are positioning themselves for 2020 and had to sign on to this brush Sep 2017 #133

It could have. But I think strategically/tactically it makes more sense KPN Sep 2017 #167

What's silly is to endanger what the millions of newly insured have now. brush Sep 2017 #174

Our views differ significantly. KPN Sep 2017 #181

I think we can agree though that the repugs won't pass Medicare for all, right? brush Sep 2017 #183

Right -- but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be fighting openly for it imo. KPN Sep 2017 #185

Fair enough. brush Sep 2017 #188

Their judgement was that the bill shouldn't have been introduced at this time, otherwwise.... George II Sep 2017 #215

So are you sayin all those potential 2020 presidential candidates that co-sponsored Bernie's bill... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #128

Most probably would've preferred to wait to make repealing the ACA harder for the repugs... brush Sep 2017 #135

So why couldn't all those potential candidates - starting18 MONTHS from now - wait a couple weeks InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #140

Maybe smart for their presidential positioning but is the roll out of this smart now... brush Sep 2017 #148

If what you're saying is true, don't you think these candidates are politically adept enough... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #154

If they didn't sign on they would've been vilified by many of you know whose supporters... brush Sep 2017 #170

I agree. It is getting insane ... KPN Sep 2017 #103

+1 leftstreet Sep 2017 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Sep 2017 #7

Bernie could have won anyway. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #8

Bernie ran without significant Democratic opposition in 2012. SaschaHM Sep 2017 #9

Bernie in his home state is widely popular on BOTH sides of the aisle CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #18

He wouldn't be widely popular if he joined the Republicans and voted down Obamacare. SaschaHM Sep 2017 #149

On that we agree CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #199

He didn't do that. Did he? KPN Sep 2017 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Sep 2017 #214

Thank you.... zentrum Sep 2017 #10

At this point the only thing that matters is what he does NOW, not what he did then. pnwmom Sep 2017 #11

That was said here? sheshe2 Sep 2017 #14

Multiple times. Someone said it to me just today. n/t pnwmom Sep 2017 #15

I have seen it too... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #27

Another group: VoteVets tweeted that 1,750,000 veterans will lose Medicaid coverage. n/t pnwmom Sep 2017 #16

K&R nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2017 #12

That's nice and all, but in September of 2017, his SuperPAC is pushing his bill Ninsianna Sep 2017 #19

Love Peeps... especially the chocolate-covered ones! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #34

Defining them as "peeps" in the manner in which you have... Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #69

Thanks... was hopin someone would get it. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #163

When I said the same thing, I was attacked. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #172

So you think the people who make up the Revolution who are cheering on the demise Ninsianna Sep 2017 #161

Obviously, this person didn't get the analogy like Weekend Warrior above... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #164

Obviously, you forgot what you typed. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #169

Didn't forget... was talking about the original Bernie's "peeps" comment... and the throwing of them InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #176

Nope, you seem to be talking in riddles. What "original" peeps comment? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #242

Wow, talk about throwin peeps under the bus! ... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #271

I wouldn't bother with ruining a bus's tires with that nastiness. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #273

You can say what you want, but I heard more than one GOP Senator saying , we have to pass Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #20

Yes, it's all Bernie's fault for tryin to guarantee healthcare as a basic human right InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #36

God forbid Bernie put up a bill contrasting real health care that provides actual heath care in Autumn Sep 2017 #49

Exactly! Ironically, Bernie is the one politician who can lead us out of this morass. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #50

I haven't seen a single one of my Democratic Senators out there defending the ACA. Autumn Sep 2017 #52

Mine too cannot be found... but there's Bernie leading the way, while being thrown under the bus. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #92

How exactly? I have seen no signs that a super majority is possible and that is what it will take Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #63

Nope, if GOP repeals ACA, tRumpCare will be the noose that hangs 'em in 2018 & 2020. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #98

I see...and the thousands that die because Trump or some GOP is in office until 2020? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #121

That is the coldest, most cynical statement Skidmore Sep 2017 #132

You do know the meaning of the word "IF"? That's a far cry from wishing something would happen! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #147

Besides the madman in the WH, Skidmore Sep 2017 #157

As long as you got my drift... thank you. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #159

We have no idea who will be our candidate in 2020, most of us are not thinking about that yet.... George II Sep 2017 #138

Who said they're rooting for repeal of the ACA? Nice try with the strawman argument... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #142

I have seen many Dems defending the ACA. I have not seen Sen. Sanders doing so. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #76

Oh okay, so because you didn't see Bernie on 2 cable channels last night, he's AWOL... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #101

Give me an example. You say he is doing this...I have not seen it. I hope you are right. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #105

No, I didn't say Bernie appeared last night on the 2 cable shows you mentioned. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #114

I am not a fan of Sen. Sanders...I know shocking but he caucuses with us and if I am being unfair... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #136

You haven't seen Bernie defending the ACA? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #288

I don't see a word defending the ACA...just about stopping the GOP...he should talk about how Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #302

If we lose the ACA who's fault is it? The GOP's of course. But what has given them cover? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #74

Bernie is the solution, not the problem. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #104

That remains to be seen...depending on what happens with the ACA which is our only path Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #107

I respect your opinion, but totally disagree... as I already said, the GOP'S repeal of the ACA... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #118

Even if repealing the ACA lead to the GOP' demise in 18 or 20, Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #131

"do not run on single payer in 18" holy fucking shit. yodermon Sep 2017 #93

We must be in Bizzarro World! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #106

As he said, after ACA debate "[Single Payer] would have had 8 or 10 votes and thats it" in Senate. Hoyt Sep 2017 #21

I think it it may cost us healthcare...more convinced after watching the news. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #28

After the ACA was finally enacted, I always thought a Pubic Option was Hoyt Sep 2017 #208

I do also because I think that eventually fewer employers will offer health coverage. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #306

Yes. But, even that is probably wishful thinking nowadays, but it sure makes sense. Hoyt Sep 2017 #319

Perhaps here GaryCnf Sep 2017 #23

Yes that is exactly what I am saying...the single payer bill is essentaily a replacement bill Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #25

We aren't getting GaryCnf Sep 2017 #30

It is not brilliant politics if we lose the ACA...we have no shot at single payer at t his moment... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #32

The brilliant politics GaryCnf Sep 2017 #40

If we run on the ACA assuming we can save it after this fiasco, we could Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #67

What makes you think I blame the Democrats involved? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #35

You accused those introducing this bill GaryCnf Sep 2017 #41

She isn't wrong. She's being polite. ucrdem Sep 2017 #42

Exactly right...we all know why Democrats who are running for president supported this bill...and I Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #48

This bill was sponsored by Sen. Sanders...he has co-sponsors for the reasons detailed in original Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #44

The sponsor of the bill is Sen. Sanders...the others are co-sponsors and I understand why this is Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #51

He voted for it, reluctantly. Evidence of support I frankly haven't seen. ucrdem Sep 2017 #26

I have not seen much support either. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #29

Telling the truth is a thankless task ucrdem Sep 2017 #33

It is true. I have no clue why some here who will really be hurt by losing the ACA Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #45

Bernie has always supported the ACA over lesser solutions. Always. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #37

Not enough...you don't sponsor a replacement bill and then say you are for what is being replaced. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #46

You realize GaryCnf Sep 2017 #55

I would support single payer if I thought we could get it into law...it would take work but I would Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #77

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2017 #134

He's still voting in favor of it. mythology Sep 2017 #38

How he votes is not relevant. I am sure he will vote to retain the ACA. All Democrats and Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #47

Bernie invented the ACA decades ago. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #39

I'm not surprised. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #61

Thanks for this Bettie Sep 2017 #53

Oh, please! His support was no more or less crucial than that of the other 59 supportive Senators. LonePirate Sep 2017 #54

Obviously, if you need 60 out of 60 votes GaryCnf Sep 2017 #56

After Kennedy became ill and Byrd as well, there was never a chance for single payer in 09. We got Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #59

Regardless who did or did not compromise, the ACA still needed 60 votes. Every vote was critical. LonePirate Sep 2017 #68

That is not the point. The point now is that the ACA is endangered...and the single payer bill Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #78

Yes, it does seem to have spooked the Repubs as much as the Kochs' $400M threat. LonePirate Sep 2017 #84

The OP is defending Sen. Sanders... I don't follow politcians, I vote for them...at Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #96

You may vote for them but others see it differently. LonePirate Sep 2017 #108

Others can do as they choose. I admired Pres. Obama tremendously. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #112

Yes it was...as many have pointed out, he has a following. And I have seen posts on this Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #57

No it wasn't. He had only a smidgen of the following in late 2009 compared to now. LonePirate Sep 2017 #66

I am talking about now and the damage being done to the ACA by this single payer bill...and the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #81

Dems could push through M4A via reconciliation with just 50 votes and a VP. LonePirate Sep 2017 #86

No they can't because it would increase the deficit...the bill is being scored now but previous Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #95

I repeat, they could pass it w/50 & VP if it is fully funded. They can and should make that happen. LonePirate Sep 2017 #100

It would increase the deficit no matter how it is funded. No stand alone health care bill can Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #110

We can agree to disagree. If GC passes via reconciliation, so can M4A. LonePirate Sep 2017 #113

GC leave much of the AC in place...it sets it up for failure...and there is money to be had by Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #123

You meant to say Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #200

That is what I meant..thanks! Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #305

Considering that many here like to paint Sanders as the non-Democrat, evil, Satan of the Senate... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #65

He's neither the Satan or the Savior of the Senate. Too many here think he is one or the other. LonePirate Sep 2017 #70

I agree... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #72

I see exactly the opposite of what you're seeing. LonePirate Sep 2017 #75

I dont really venture out of GD and a bit of LBN... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #85

Well, Cassidy has said he's adding an amendment to prevent states from creating single payer systems LonePirate Sep 2017 #90

is this a callout irisblue Sep 2017 #141

No. N/t TCJ70 Sep 2017 #144

What support? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #71

Blah, blah blah... TCJ70 Sep 2017 #73

Not only will it be bad but in one of life's greatest ironies...it will end our chances to Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #82

Glad he sided with progressives and Democrats. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #58

I'm not saying "he should get special thanks" -- let me clarify. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #83

If that is the theory by some, as you state, I fully agree with you. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #137

So what does he want Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2017 #62

HE probably doesn't want anything, not giving a damn about smears on DU. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #79

You don't think putting up a single payer bill during the fight to save the ACA was a bad idea? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #88

Some of us don't hate Bernie. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2017 #272

No More Crucial Than Any Other Senator Me. Sep 2017 #80

I love how many of the people on here..... vi5 Sep 2017 #94

Bit different that... Manchin didn't introduce any single payer bill during a critical time for the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #124

Stop it. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #111

Politifact checked this and gave it a "Mostly False" ruling. ehrnst Sep 2017 #158

My you really do have it in for Bernie. KPN Sep 2017 #177

Fact checking is "having it in for Bernie?" ehrnst Sep 2017 #179

Yes, in this particular instance. KPN Sep 2017 #187

I'm talking about an analysis that Politifact did. And the claim got a "mostly false" ruling. ehrnst Sep 2017 #189

No, I'm responding to your previous question, and my answer to that KPN Sep 2017 #191

So you say "yes, Fact checking Bernie is indeed "having it in for Bernie." ehrnst Sep 2017 #193

No, because you have consistently criticized KPN Sep 2017 #196

So now you are saying that you've changed your answer to the question ehrnst Sep 2017 #197

Lol. Whiplash? Talk about projection. KPN Sep 2017 #205

And you think that "fact checking Bernie" equals "having it in for Bernie." ehrnst Sep 2017 #207

Lol. Just the messenger. That's a good one! KPN Sep 2017 #209

Yeah - Politifact did the fact checking, and you flame me. ehrnst Sep 2017 #212

It is much simpler... tonedevil Sep 2017 #221

I think that the headline and "mostly false" ehrnst Sep 2017 #222

I just like the full truth... tonedevil Sep 2017 #226

You mean edited "truth" ehrnst Sep 2017 #248

You pointed out the headline... tonedevil Sep 2017 #251

No. I pointed out that the headline summarized the content. ehrnst Sep 2017 #252

Yes it is crystal clear... tonedevil Sep 2017 #254

Are you saying the headline is fake? Or doesn't summarize the content? (Nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #255

I have very clearly written... tonedevil Sep 2017 #258

Well, the full text would be apparent to anyone who clicked on the link ehrnst Sep 2017 #264

So are you saying that about Politifact, too? It's their fact check...(nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #213

And here you thought the facts would matter... Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #239

My bad. ehrnst Sep 2017 #249

psst, your meme generator is in need of servicing. ucrdem Sep 2017 #227

OMG! LOL! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #192

And KPN doubles down...... ehrnst Sep 2017 #194

You're correct. It's not different. (Funny & sad. Sad & funny.) NurseJackie Sep 2017 #201

..... (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #202

How is that "having it in for Bernie"? You're not interested in facts and truth? George II Sep 2017 #219

+++ sheshe2 Sep 2017 #195

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #223

I was going to mention that the post in question was materially inaccurate GaryCnf Sep 2017 #228

The post relaying what Politifact had to say? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #253

It is correct that Politifact GaryCnf Sep 2017 #275

I posted it in response to the OP which stated that Sanders was "crucial" ehrnst Sep 2017 #293

The post, of course, "implied" no such thing GaryCnf Sep 2017 #297

Perhaps you missed this in the OP ehrnst Sep 2017 #298

Appears that Lieberman GaryCnf Sep 2017 #301

So three Senators are called "key" and that means that all the other dems, ehrnst Sep 2017 #311

But it wasn't factually incorrect. George II Sep 2017 #270

Speaking of "brigades"...people can see the posts on JPR R B Garr Sep 2017 #230

What is that supposed to mean? Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #243

I think you meant to respond to post #223... R B Garr Sep 2017 #246

No I meant your post. Seems like you are referring to something somebody posted somewhere else. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #287

It was the "crucial" part that was addressed by the Politicfact analysis. ehrnst Sep 2017 #250

I think you may have missed the "crucial" portion of the post. Are you saying Politifact's pants are ehrnst Sep 2017 #260

The OP isn't about whether he 'helped write' it; it's about whether his vote was crucial muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #268

No more crucial than anyone else's ehrnst Sep 2017 #294

No, that does not 'refute' the OP muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #303

OK - lets go through the OP ehrnst Sep 2017 #314

"Actually, he did indeed do very similar to that" - No. He voted for the ACA. muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #318

Again.... ehrnst Sep 2017 #320

No, you're still getting it wrong (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #321

No, I'm not. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #322

The vote was 60-39, not 1-39. George II Sep 2017 #224

Thank you for that reminder. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #269

Yes! Exactly! Adrahil Sep 2017 #300

The fact that they have been trying to take it away Lordquinton Sep 2017 #232

+1,000,000 George II Sep 2017 #266

The ACA is again in danger of repeal Progressive dog Sep 2017 #235

And in a major way he would have been right to vote it down. MadDAsHell Sep 2017 #236

And yet it has gotten us farther down the road to universal health care than we have ever been. ehrnst Sep 2017 #256

Doubling down on a broken system is "incremental?" nt MadDAsHell Sep 2017 #277

So you're going to be dancing for joy if the ACA gets repealed next week. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2017 #286

Are you saying that you want it repealed? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #289

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2017 #274

Good luck extinguishing the eternal flame! guillaumeb Sep 2017 #278

Bernie Will Take Credit If ACA Is Saved, Blame Democrats If It Is Repealed TomCADem Sep 2017 #285

Obama was a prize fighter who pushed a better plan through. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #299