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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders supported the ACA. His support was crucial. [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)204. Can you give some examples?
The ACA was a followthrough on the promise to work towards secure Universal Health Care coverage.
A successful one. That bill got passed - so that's not something you are talking about.
Now if they were to have offered up that bill for years and years, and it never got anywhere, would you call that failing to follow through?
Are you saying that when a politician or party says "but the GOP..." they are just giving a lame excuse for failure to follow through on their promises or platform?
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Single Payer failed at the state level in Vermont and Colorado. the problems with it have nothing to
JI7
Sep 2017
#1
You should call out in person, to their FACE these OFF the deep end people you talk about
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2017
#102
I was angry that single payer was introduced. And if we lose the ACA, it played a role.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#22
What is right and just is not risking the ACA until you have the votes to pass your ideal bill?
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#91
The ACA is all we have and is certainly sustainable...single payer is not doable at this moment.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#117
The ACA has been sabotaged repeatedly by the GOP...and still did much good and it is all we have for
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#313
I hear you KPN, but some around her never let facts get in the way of throwing Bernie under the bus!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#279
Definitely not! Here we are, our party in the worst shape electorally, in my LIFETIME...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#316
Unbelievable that you just proved the opposite but this thread continues.
Madam45for2923
Sep 2017
#216
I think the people resorting to ad hominems because they cannot accept facts are the ones
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#261
"A lie"? "Not just stating the facts"? Did you read the article that was linked?
George II
Sep 2017
#263
No the problems in Colorado, at least, had to do with the way the initiative was worded,
PatrickforO
Sep 2017
#13
I have heard multiple explanations for why single payer failed in Vermont and
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#126
This is exactly what is wrong...most of these posts deal with 'It's not his fault' maybe it is,
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#24
Bright shiny unfulfillable promises distract lawmakers AND discourage or suppress public activism...
NurseJackie
Sep 2017
#64
Exactly, all this excitement over a bill that could never become law. It gave the GOP an opening.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#97
Unfortunately people have a hard time with it- cannot suss out what's worthwhile or possible when
bettyellen
Sep 2017
#139
I'm concerned that activists are already feeling burned out as well- but regarding the general
bettyellen
Sep 2017
#220
No. I'm being realistic. It will be 25 years or more before it happens. And...
NurseJackie
Sep 2017
#211
"The Republican National Committee Is Weaponizing Bernie Sanders Single-Payer Plan"
lapucelle
Sep 2017
#284
Did someone posting on DU just blame Obamacare for the uninsured and deaths?
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2017
#244
The ACA itself may have been done in a relatively short time frame, but it was the culmination...
George II
Sep 2017
#276
A form of single payer was introduced by John Dingell SR. back in 1943, so yes it's been around....
George II
Sep 2017
#282
The ACA was also not as sweeping or disruptive as what is being proposed as "m4a"
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#292
Well, single payer has been introduced every single year since 1935, it's a Democratic
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#245
And if it doesn't - like it hasn't despite the many times it's been brought up? (nt)
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#291
I hope it doesn't fall, but it is not looking good for our side...call and call some more.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#119
Democrats do represent the majority of people. Universal health care is already in the platform.
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#150
Thanks, Katy Tur just asked someone on MSNBC if this single payer bill "galvanized"
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#231
Yes, Stephanie's show is great. She addressed the caller by saying there was a new poll
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#247
No need for that, all I want is to get the damn GOP out of of as many office as possible!
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#307
Why couldn't this Medicare for all push wait until Oct. 1 when the repugs could no longer...
brush
Sep 2017
#115
So you don't trust the judgement of Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken, ...
KPN
Sep 2017
#125
You know very well they are positioning themselves for 2020 and had to sign on to this
brush
Sep 2017
#133
Their judgement was that the bill shouldn't have been introduced at this time, otherwwise....
George II
Sep 2017
#215
So are you sayin all those potential 2020 presidential candidates that co-sponsored Bernie's bill...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#128
Most probably would've preferred to wait to make repealing the ACA harder for the repugs...
brush
Sep 2017
#135
So why couldn't all those potential candidates - starting18 MONTHS from now - wait a couple weeks
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#140
Maybe smart for their presidential positioning but is the roll out of this smart now...
brush
Sep 2017
#148
If what you're saying is true, don't you think these candidates are politically adept enough...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#154
If they didn't sign on they would've been vilified by many of you know whose supporters...
brush
Sep 2017
#170
He wouldn't be widely popular if he joined the Republicans and voted down Obamacare.
SaschaHM
Sep 2017
#149
At this point the only thing that matters is what he does NOW, not what he did then.
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#11
Another group: VoteVets tweeted that 1,750,000 veterans will lose Medicaid coverage. n/t
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#16
That's nice and all, but in September of 2017, his SuperPAC is pushing his bill
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#19
So you think the people who make up the Revolution who are cheering on the demise
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#161
Obviously, this person didn't get the analogy like Weekend Warrior above...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#164
Didn't forget... was talking about the original Bernie's "peeps" comment... and the throwing of them
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#176
You can say what you want, but I heard more than one GOP Senator saying , we have to pass
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#20
Yes, it's all Bernie's fault for tryin to guarantee healthcare as a basic human right
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#36
God forbid Bernie put up a bill contrasting real health care that provides actual heath care in
Autumn
Sep 2017
#49
Exactly! Ironically, Bernie is the one politician who can lead us out of this morass.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#50
I haven't seen a single one of my Democratic Senators out there defending the ACA.
Autumn
Sep 2017
#52
Mine too cannot be found... but there's Bernie leading the way, while being thrown under the bus.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#92
How exactly? I have seen no signs that a super majority is possible and that is what it will take
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#63
Nope, if GOP repeals ACA, tRumpCare will be the noose that hangs 'em in 2018 & 2020.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#98
I see...and the thousands that die because Trump or some GOP is in office until 2020?
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#121
You do know the meaning of the word "IF"? That's a far cry from wishing something would happen!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#147
We have no idea who will be our candidate in 2020, most of us are not thinking about that yet....
George II
Sep 2017
#138
Who said they're rooting for repeal of the ACA? Nice try with the strawman argument...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#142
I have seen many Dems defending the ACA. I have not seen Sen. Sanders doing so.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#76
Oh okay, so because you didn't see Bernie on 2 cable channels last night, he's AWOL...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#101
Give me an example. You say he is doing this...I have not seen it. I hope you are right.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#105
No, I didn't say Bernie appeared last night on the 2 cable shows you mentioned.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#114
I am not a fan of Sen. Sanders...I know shocking but he caucuses with us and if I am being unfair...
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#136
I don't see a word defending the ACA...just about stopping the GOP...he should talk about how
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#302
If we lose the ACA who's fault is it? The GOP's of course. But what has given them cover?
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#74
That remains to be seen...depending on what happens with the ACA which is our only path
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#107
I respect your opinion, but totally disagree... as I already said, the GOP'S repeal of the ACA...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#118
As he said, after ACA debate "[Single Payer] would have had 8 or 10 votes and thats it" in Senate.
Hoyt
Sep 2017
#21
I think it it may cost us healthcare...more convinced after watching the news.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#28
I do also because I think that eventually fewer employers will offer health coverage.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#306
Yes. But, even that is probably wishful thinking nowadays, but it sure makes sense.
Hoyt
Sep 2017
#319
Yes that is exactly what I am saying...the single payer bill is essentaily a replacement bill
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#25
It is not brilliant politics if we lose the ACA...we have no shot at single payer at t his moment...
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#32
Exactly right...we all know why Democrats who are running for president supported this bill...and I
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#48
This bill was sponsored by Sen. Sanders...he has co-sponsors for the reasons detailed in original
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#44
The sponsor of the bill is Sen. Sanders...the others are co-sponsors and I understand why this is
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#51
It is true. I have no clue why some here who will really be hurt by losing the ACA
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#45
Not enough...you don't sponsor a replacement bill and then say you are for what is being replaced.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#46
I would support single payer if I thought we could get it into law...it would take work but I would
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#77
How he votes is not relevant. I am sure he will vote to retain the ACA. All Democrats and
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#47
Oh, please! His support was no more or less crucial than that of the other 59 supportive Senators.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#54
After Kennedy became ill and Byrd as well, there was never a chance for single payer in 09. We got
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#59
Regardless who did or did not compromise, the ACA still needed 60 votes. Every vote was critical.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#68
That is not the point. The point now is that the ACA is endangered...and the single payer bill
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#78
Yes, it does seem to have spooked the Repubs as much as the Kochs' $400M threat.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#84
The OP is defending Sen. Sanders... I don't follow politcians, I vote for them...at
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#96
Yes it was...as many have pointed out, he has a following. And I have seen posts on this
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#57
No it wasn't. He had only a smidgen of the following in late 2009 compared to now.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#66
I am talking about now and the damage being done to the ACA by this single payer bill...and the
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#81
No they can't because it would increase the deficit...the bill is being scored now but previous
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#95
I repeat, they could pass it w/50 & VP if it is fully funded. They can and should make that happen.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#100
It would increase the deficit no matter how it is funded. No stand alone health care bill can
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#110
GC leave much of the AC in place...it sets it up for failure...and there is money to be had by
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#123
Considering that many here like to paint Sanders as the non-Democrat, evil, Satan of the Senate...
TCJ70
Sep 2017
#65
He's neither the Satan or the Savior of the Senate. Too many here think he is one or the other.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#70
Well, Cassidy has said he's adding an amendment to prevent states from creating single payer systems
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#90
Not only will it be bad but in one of life's greatest ironies...it will end our chances to
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#82
You don't think putting up a single payer bill during the fight to save the ACA was a bad idea?
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#88
Bit different that... Manchin didn't introduce any single payer bill during a critical time for the
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#124
I'm talking about an analysis that Politifact did. And the claim got a "mostly false" ruling.
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#189
How is that "having it in for Bernie"? You're not interested in facts and truth?
George II
Sep 2017
#219
No I meant your post. Seems like you are referring to something somebody posted somewhere else.
Voltaire2
Sep 2017
#287
I think you may have missed the "crucial" portion of the post. Are you saying Politifact's pants are
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#260
The OP isn't about whether he 'helped write' it; it's about whether his vote was crucial
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2017
#268
"Actually, he did indeed do very similar to that" - No. He voted for the ACA.
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2017
#318
And yet it has gotten us farther down the road to universal health care than we have ever been.
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#256
So you're going to be dancing for joy if the ACA gets repealed next week.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Sep 2017
#286