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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders supported the ACA. His support was crucial. [View all]R B Garr
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Single Payer failed at the state level in Vermont and Colorado. the problems with it have nothing to
JI7
Sep 2017
#1
You should call out in person, to their FACE these OFF the deep end people you talk about
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2017
#102
I was angry that single payer was introduced. And if we lose the ACA, it played a role.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#22
What is right and just is not risking the ACA until you have the votes to pass your ideal bill?
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#91
The ACA is all we have and is certainly sustainable...single payer is not doable at this moment.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#117
The ACA has been sabotaged repeatedly by the GOP...and still did much good and it is all we have for
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#313
I hear you KPN, but some around her never let facts get in the way of throwing Bernie under the bus!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#279
Definitely not! Here we are, our party in the worst shape electorally, in my LIFETIME...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#316
Unbelievable that you just proved the opposite but this thread continues.
Madam45for2923
Sep 2017
#216
I think the people resorting to ad hominems because they cannot accept facts are the ones
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#261
"A lie"? "Not just stating the facts"? Did you read the article that was linked?
George II
Sep 2017
#263
No the problems in Colorado, at least, had to do with the way the initiative was worded,
PatrickforO
Sep 2017
#13
I have heard multiple explanations for why single payer failed in Vermont and
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#126
This is exactly what is wrong...most of these posts deal with 'It's not his fault' maybe it is,
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#24
Bright shiny unfulfillable promises distract lawmakers AND discourage or suppress public activism...
NurseJackie
Sep 2017
#64
Exactly, all this excitement over a bill that could never become law. It gave the GOP an opening.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#97
Unfortunately people have a hard time with it- cannot suss out what's worthwhile or possible when
bettyellen
Sep 2017
#139
I'm concerned that activists are already feeling burned out as well- but regarding the general
bettyellen
Sep 2017
#220
No. I'm being realistic. It will be 25 years or more before it happens. And...
NurseJackie
Sep 2017
#211
"The Republican National Committee Is Weaponizing Bernie Sanders Single-Payer Plan"
lapucelle
Sep 2017
#284
Did someone posting on DU just blame Obamacare for the uninsured and deaths?
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2017
#244
The ACA itself may have been done in a relatively short time frame, but it was the culmination...
George II
Sep 2017
#276
A form of single payer was introduced by John Dingell SR. back in 1943, so yes it's been around....
George II
Sep 2017
#282
The ACA was also not as sweeping or disruptive as what is being proposed as "m4a"
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#292
Well, single payer has been introduced every single year since 1935, it's a Democratic
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#245
And if it doesn't - like it hasn't despite the many times it's been brought up? (nt)
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#291
I hope it doesn't fall, but it is not looking good for our side...call and call some more.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#119
Democrats do represent the majority of people. Universal health care is already in the platform.
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#150
Thanks, Katy Tur just asked someone on MSNBC if this single payer bill "galvanized"
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#231
Yes, Stephanie's show is great. She addressed the caller by saying there was a new poll
R B Garr
Sep 2017
#247
No need for that, all I want is to get the damn GOP out of of as many office as possible!
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#307
Why couldn't this Medicare for all push wait until Oct. 1 when the repugs could no longer...
brush
Sep 2017
#115
So you don't trust the judgement of Cory Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken, ...
KPN
Sep 2017
#125
You know very well they are positioning themselves for 2020 and had to sign on to this
brush
Sep 2017
#133
Their judgement was that the bill shouldn't have been introduced at this time, otherwwise....
George II
Sep 2017
#215
So are you sayin all those potential 2020 presidential candidates that co-sponsored Bernie's bill...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#128
Most probably would've preferred to wait to make repealing the ACA harder for the repugs...
brush
Sep 2017
#135
So why couldn't all those potential candidates - starting18 MONTHS from now - wait a couple weeks
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#140
Maybe smart for their presidential positioning but is the roll out of this smart now...
brush
Sep 2017
#148
If what you're saying is true, don't you think these candidates are politically adept enough...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#154
If they didn't sign on they would've been vilified by many of you know whose supporters...
brush
Sep 2017
#170
He wouldn't be widely popular if he joined the Republicans and voted down Obamacare.
SaschaHM
Sep 2017
#149
At this point the only thing that matters is what he does NOW, not what he did then.
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#11
Another group: VoteVets tweeted that 1,750,000 veterans will lose Medicaid coverage. n/t
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#16
That's nice and all, but in September of 2017, his SuperPAC is pushing his bill
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#19
So you think the people who make up the Revolution who are cheering on the demise
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#161
Obviously, this person didn't get the analogy like Weekend Warrior above...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#164
Didn't forget... was talking about the original Bernie's "peeps" comment... and the throwing of them
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#176
You can say what you want, but I heard more than one GOP Senator saying , we have to pass
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#20
Yes, it's all Bernie's fault for tryin to guarantee healthcare as a basic human right
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#36
God forbid Bernie put up a bill contrasting real health care that provides actual heath care in
Autumn
Sep 2017
#49
Exactly! Ironically, Bernie is the one politician who can lead us out of this morass.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#50
I haven't seen a single one of my Democratic Senators out there defending the ACA.
Autumn
Sep 2017
#52
Mine too cannot be found... but there's Bernie leading the way, while being thrown under the bus.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#92
How exactly? I have seen no signs that a super majority is possible and that is what it will take
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#63
Nope, if GOP repeals ACA, tRumpCare will be the noose that hangs 'em in 2018 & 2020.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#98
I see...and the thousands that die because Trump or some GOP is in office until 2020?
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#121
You do know the meaning of the word "IF"? That's a far cry from wishing something would happen!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#147
We have no idea who will be our candidate in 2020, most of us are not thinking about that yet....
George II
Sep 2017
#138
Who said they're rooting for repeal of the ACA? Nice try with the strawman argument...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#142
I have seen many Dems defending the ACA. I have not seen Sen. Sanders doing so.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#76
Oh okay, so because you didn't see Bernie on 2 cable channels last night, he's AWOL...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#101
Give me an example. You say he is doing this...I have not seen it. I hope you are right.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#105
No, I didn't say Bernie appeared last night on the 2 cable shows you mentioned.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#114
I am not a fan of Sen. Sanders...I know shocking but he caucuses with us and if I am being unfair...
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#136
I don't see a word defending the ACA...just about stopping the GOP...he should talk about how
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#302
If we lose the ACA who's fault is it? The GOP's of course. But what has given them cover?
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#74
That remains to be seen...depending on what happens with the ACA which is our only path
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#107
I respect your opinion, but totally disagree... as I already said, the GOP'S repeal of the ACA...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Sep 2017
#118
As he said, after ACA debate "[Single Payer] would have had 8 or 10 votes and thats it" in Senate.
Hoyt
Sep 2017
#21
I think it it may cost us healthcare...more convinced after watching the news.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#28
I do also because I think that eventually fewer employers will offer health coverage.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#306
Yes. But, even that is probably wishful thinking nowadays, but it sure makes sense.
Hoyt
Sep 2017
#319
Yes that is exactly what I am saying...the single payer bill is essentaily a replacement bill
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#25
It is not brilliant politics if we lose the ACA...we have no shot at single payer at t his moment...
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#32
Exactly right...we all know why Democrats who are running for president supported this bill...and I
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#48
This bill was sponsored by Sen. Sanders...he has co-sponsors for the reasons detailed in original
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#44
The sponsor of the bill is Sen. Sanders...the others are co-sponsors and I understand why this is
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#51
It is true. I have no clue why some here who will really be hurt by losing the ACA
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#45
Not enough...you don't sponsor a replacement bill and then say you are for what is being replaced.
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#46
I would support single payer if I thought we could get it into law...it would take work but I would
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#77
How he votes is not relevant. I am sure he will vote to retain the ACA. All Democrats and
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#47
Oh, please! His support was no more or less crucial than that of the other 59 supportive Senators.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#54
After Kennedy became ill and Byrd as well, there was never a chance for single payer in 09. We got
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#59
Regardless who did or did not compromise, the ACA still needed 60 votes. Every vote was critical.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#68
That is not the point. The point now is that the ACA is endangered...and the single payer bill
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#78
Yes, it does seem to have spooked the Repubs as much as the Kochs' $400M threat.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#84
The OP is defending Sen. Sanders... I don't follow politcians, I vote for them...at
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#96
Yes it was...as many have pointed out, he has a following. And I have seen posts on this
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#57
No it wasn't. He had only a smidgen of the following in late 2009 compared to now.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#66
I am talking about now and the damage being done to the ACA by this single payer bill...and the
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#81
No they can't because it would increase the deficit...the bill is being scored now but previous
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#95
I repeat, they could pass it w/50 & VP if it is fully funded. They can and should make that happen.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#100
It would increase the deficit no matter how it is funded. No stand alone health care bill can
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#110
GC leave much of the AC in place...it sets it up for failure...and there is money to be had by
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#123
Considering that many here like to paint Sanders as the non-Democrat, evil, Satan of the Senate...
TCJ70
Sep 2017
#65
He's neither the Satan or the Savior of the Senate. Too many here think he is one or the other.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#70
Well, Cassidy has said he's adding an amendment to prevent states from creating single payer systems
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#90
Not only will it be bad but in one of life's greatest ironies...it will end our chances to
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#82
You don't think putting up a single payer bill during the fight to save the ACA was a bad idea?
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#88
Bit different that... Manchin didn't introduce any single payer bill during a critical time for the
Demsrule86
Sep 2017
#124
I'm talking about an analysis that Politifact did. And the claim got a "mostly false" ruling.
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#189
How is that "having it in for Bernie"? You're not interested in facts and truth?
George II
Sep 2017
#219
No I meant your post. Seems like you are referring to something somebody posted somewhere else.
Voltaire2
Sep 2017
#287
I think you may have missed the "crucial" portion of the post. Are you saying Politifact's pants are
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#260
The OP isn't about whether he 'helped write' it; it's about whether his vote was crucial
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2017
#268
"Actually, he did indeed do very similar to that" - No. He voted for the ACA.
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2017
#318
And yet it has gotten us farther down the road to universal health care than we have ever been.
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#256
So you're going to be dancing for joy if the ACA gets repealed next week.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Sep 2017
#286