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Xolodno

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37. Real estate grab, resource plunder, prestige.....
Sat Sep 23, 2017, 01:06 AM
Sep 2017

The war was fought primarily in Europe, but it was all about territory everywhere else in Asia, Africa, etc. plus territory they felt entitled to. Both sides thought they would win rather quickly, thinking they would have the upper hand.

For example, if the Russian Revolution never happened and stayed in the war, Russia was going to get Istanbul...rename it back to Constantinople and pretty much the Russian Patriarch of the Orthodox Church would become the "First Among Equals". Plus it would bolster Russia's claim to being the inheritor of the Roman Empire. They were also going to get a big chunk, if not all of, Korea. Which would set them up in a good spot for Russo-Japan war part 2....which did eventually happen in WW2.

But that didn't happen, so France and Britain pretty much got everything they wanted and then some...which would ironically overextend them. Arab revolts in the Mid-East really taxed the British and French Armies at times, so much so, they had to leave some areas in open revolt until they quelled one, so they could move on to the other.

The economic reasons, resources. Maintaining and empire requires resources the home country doesn't have or can't continue to appropriate. Even if you don't need the resources immediately, having them in reserve was important for future use. Remember, Europe had just went through the industrial revolution and manufacturing was key to their economic success. For example, they didn't have the ability to find oil easily yet, but the logic was, if there was oil in one place, there might be more nearby.

But yes, real estate grab, resource plunder, prestige, "empire penis size", etc. is what led to it. You could say, they were planning it the entire time....but assumed the other guy wasn't, which led to the shit storm that it was.

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It is so well done. I feel a lot of sorrow, watching it. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2017 #1
we just started tonight (back from vacation) - through first episode and half of the second NRaleighLiberal Sep 2017 #2
You can watch... TeeYiYi Sep 2017 #3
Hey thanks! CountAllVotes Sep 2017 #5
Thanks for the link! My cable is not working and I have been too busy to schedule repair. Tanuki Sep 2017 #23
thanks gopiscrap Sep 2017 #42
Vietnam sucked so bad! CountAllVotes Sep 2017 #4
The music! FuzzyRabbit Sep 2017 #20
That's how I put the 60s in perspective. SergeStorms Sep 2017 #22
This was McNamara's war at this point. dogman Sep 2017 #6
And McNamara knew he was full of shit, but hey, his business charts looked great dalton99a Sep 2017 #7
We made it to 3 and taking a break. mountain grammy Sep 2017 #8
it made me angry then, it makes me angry now spanone Sep 2017 #9
The helicopter was ubiquitous in Vietnam due to lack of runway space. LeftInTX Sep 2017 #10
Why stop there? Xolodno Sep 2017 #11
I've watched documentaries and read books about WWI NobodyHere Sep 2017 #27
Real estate grab, resource plunder, prestige..... Xolodno Sep 2017 #37
We taped it and just watched the first one CanonRay Sep 2017 #12
The balance of death thing you mention is called the "crossover point". Elwood P Dowd Sep 2017 #13
I was drafted in 1966. Came home from the war in March 68 right after Tet. wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #38
America was racist Not Ruth Sep 2017 #14
WAS? CountAllVotes Sep 2017 #16
Racism-It was an explanation of why America lost to Vietnam and may still lose to North Korea Not Ruth Sep 2017 #19
...... raven mad Sep 2017 #15
That's what I'm afraid of! Laffy Kat Sep 2017 #17
I'm upset over South Vietnam's leadership. LeftInTX Sep 2017 #28
I wonder if they will mention the massacre at My Lai in 1969. BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #18
I'm sure Burns will spend plenty of time on My Lai, William Calley et al. MrPurple Sep 2017 #31
I wonder if they interviewed him for the series since he is still alive. BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #32
Interesting, Ellsburg has gotten a lot of coverage,Calley & the other soldiers from hisunit haven't MrPurple Sep 2017 #46
They are going into such Snackshack Sep 2017 #35
I think My Lai was in 1968? kentuck Sep 2017 #47
You're right , it did. The word started to get out by the end of 68 BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #49
War is a racket.nt zentrum Sep 2017 #21
Good song for this thread: Ken Burch Sep 2017 #24
I watched the second episode was really upset by the Diem regime LeftInTX Sep 2017 #25
stupidity and vanity elleng Sep 2017 #26
Watching it too. Kath2 Sep 2017 #29
It is a... Snackshack Sep 2017 #30
Like the Civil War, it is of the past. Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #33
To us who were in the war the past is hard to forget wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #39
I spent my share of the Vietnam war in the Air Force... Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #40
It is making me sick to my stomach as we speak. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #34
I was there in 1967 and 68. We were really stunned to see fighting wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #36
As expected, Ken Burns has out done himself.....It's excellent. And yes, Upthevibe Sep 2017 #41
And 3,000,000 Vietnamese were killed Beringia Sep 2017 #43
To start - LBJ was a lying sack of shit, and the fucking French started it and made it worse Baclava Sep 2017 #44
Yo, that POW footage of McCain was HARD TO WATCH MariaCSR Sep 2017 #45
Piece-of-shit war. So glad I actively protested against it. Paladin Sep 2017 #48
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