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In reply to the discussion: Sanders: I don't consider myself a Democrat [View all]CherokeeFiddle
(297 posts)92. No quite the opposite
You didn't mention the NRA but you mentioned guns. You can't especially have the convo about guns without bringing up the NRA.
Again, Bernie has a D- rating from the NRA and there are current serving Dems who rank higher than he does. Where is your outrage over that? Is it just "Bernie!" which I suspect? It seems so.
And you know exactly why Bernie voted the way he did yet you are only seeing the surface of the iceberg and doing so because it firs your narrative.
Bernie was for most of the provisions of the Brady Bill, but he felt that it held a potential for abuse that would punish the wrong people. Bernie is pro instant background checks on all gun sales (closing the gun show loophole) and for a ban on assault weapons.
"For example, do I think that a gun shop in the state of Vermont that sells legally a gun to somebody, and that somebody goes out and does something crazy, that that gun shop owner should be held responsible? I don't."
-from: The CNN Democratic debate transcript, annotated
He was for a bill that distinguished between manufacturers and sellers who KNOWINGLY or NEGLIGENTLY sold weapons to criminals, but not those who accidentally sold weapons that were used in crimes.
"For example, do I think that a gun shop in the state of Vermont that sells legally a gun to somebody, and that somebody goes out and does something crazy, that that gun shop owner should be held responsible? I don't."
-from: The CNN Democratic debate transcript, annotated
He was for a bill that distinguished between manufacturers and sellers who KNOWINGLY or NEGLIGENTLY sold weapons to criminals, but not those who accidentally sold weapons that were used in crimes.
Bernie voted o ban assault firearms with H.R.4296 - Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act
Bernie voted to close the gun show loophole with H.Amdt.216 to H.R.2122
Bernie voted to regulate high capacity munitions with S.Amdt.714 to S.649
Bernie voted to expand background checks with S.Amdt.715 to S.649
These are just a few things.
Folks who do not like guns [are] fine. But we have millions of people who are gun owners in this country 99.9 percent of those people obey the law. I want to see real, serious debate and action on guns, but it is not going to take place if we simply have extreme positions on both sides. I think I can bring us to the middle.--Bernie Sanders
Calling people who disagree with you this speaks volumes-- "That's some Trump like thinking right there, immature, incorrect and rather cultish." Are you wanting 8 years old Trump because that is how you get 8 years of Trump.
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Can you tell us what "core party values" Democrats have that Bernie does not please?
CherokeeFiddle
Sep 2017
#23
It seems like you're just upset that any sort of criticism was leveled against your
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#88
Oh and since you so thoughtfully provided a link but apparently did not read it
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#89
If young voters don't understand by now how they were beguiled and scammed by targeted Russian
haveahart
Sep 2017
#68
perhaps he doesn't want to run as independent because a spoiler in GE like Stein really fucks the D.
Sunlei
Sep 2017
#17
He's a crankie man sometimes but he's on our side! You don't have to 'like' everyone you work with.
Sunlei
Sep 2017
#35
tough, he votes with Ds & says we have a right to healthcare. He works hard for US.
Sunlei
Sep 2017
#85
So why was Sanders Senate campaign committee registered as independent for 2018 at Oct 10, 2015
factfinder_77
Sep 2017
#18
You realize, no doubt, that this was early in the year, when he partnered with the DNC
hedda_foil
Sep 2017
#16
So thats why he lambasts 'absolute failure' of Democratic party's strategy
factfinder_77
Sep 2017
#22
The Democratic Party s is composed of various factions - enough agreement between them to coexist
factfinder_77
Sep 2017
#30
It would be meaningless to beat the GOP by BECOMING the GOP, or by stopping just short of that.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#40
If the party were more like it was before Bill Clinton he probably would register as a Dem. nt
Quixote1818
Sep 2017
#50
A truly good man who had dirt done to him (I'd like to know the truth of Oliver
WinkyDink
Sep 2017
#66
Bernie is helping the party be a better Democratic Party whether you like it or not.
aikoaiko
Sep 2017
#79