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mucifer

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55. Most children want to be a part of this experience.

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 07:27 PM

Dec 2011

I know many families that have spent hours and hours with their child's body before the funeral home comes to pick up the body. It is not a horror show. It is something very personal.

It's easy to say it's some evil republican's twisted way of torturing their children.

The problem is that most people in the USA don't see death especially the death of children so what they don't see scares them.

Of the siblings that I have asked "Are you glad that it happened here and not in the hospital?" I have never gotten a "no".
Of course, I haven't asked every sibling. I realize the baby did not die in the hospital.

The issue is we don't know exactly what happened. I'm pretty sure it did not happen the way many people in this thread think it happened.

Until I have actual evidence that the children were traumatized, I'm going with my gut and thinking it was ok.

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Santorum brought their dead baby back home for the kids to meet [View all] Ichingcarpenter Dec 2011 OP

I can't be the only one who thinks this is sick proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #1

knowing me ... You'd think I posted another Onion story Ichingcarpenter Dec 2011 #4

I have trouble judging what people do in their grief. This is extreme, IMO, but many people dress, Brickbat Dec 2011 #2

I agree. There are many things to criticize Santorum over, but Ed Suspicious Dec 2011 #6

Agreed. JohnnyLib2 Dec 2011 #12

Fuck that Republican Ichingcarpenter Dec 2011 #13

not even with your tools. no thanks. dionysus Dec 2011 #46

I think this story is definitely relevant for choosing a President waddirum Dec 2011 #22

+1 proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 #97

But this...is the body. n/t vaberella Dec 2011 #7

Yeah, that's what I was talking about with the washing and the hugging. Brickbat Dec 2011 #8

Which is fine until they involve their children proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #15

I don't think they forced them, do you? Brickbat Dec 2011 #16

Yes they did proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #17

ROFLMAO. Brickbat Dec 2011 #18

I have been present with a number of families grieving the perinatal loss of a child Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #75

I agree as well. While I don't think I'd do what the Santorums did in that situation, petronius Dec 2011 #25

I've seen this happen more than once in my own family and with close friends of the family RZM Dec 2011 #44

+1 Adsos Letter Jan 2012 #74

They shared it with the world Control-Z Jan 2012 #78

True, but I'm wondering if he traumatized his other kids? ecstatic Jan 2012 #89

Hmm. I wonder why he didn't have his wife arrested... ananda Dec 2011 #3

I've never heard of any bill or law that proposed to punish women for having a miscarriage RZM Dec 2011 #45

Actually, they induced labor jmowreader Dec 2011 #69

and he didn't elect to not go through with it cyglet Jan 2012 #73

He is a hypocrite, you're right there jmowreader Jan 2012 #82

that's an insane thing to do ensho Dec 2011 #5

I don't think the Santorums realized this, but they made a point LuvNewcastle Dec 2011 #9

or that a baby is more important HockeyMom Dec 2011 #14

I remember this and it TOTALLY creeped me out. Hepburn Dec 2011 #10

Well, lets hope he does well in Iowa Ichingcarpenter Dec 2011 #11

This is creepy as hell to me, but I cannot attack it cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #19

We should attack him on the issues, not on how he handled a personal tragedy DesertRat Dec 2011 #20

I can fucking do as I like with this Ichingcarpenter Dec 2011 #21

He was indoctrinating his living kids in his pro-life political stance. Remember that... freshwest Dec 2011 #35

His wife had a 'partial birth abortion'! proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #24

He an't running for city council..lol Ichingcarpenter Dec 2011 #26

I didn't read that it was a doctor-induced termination DesertRat Dec 2011 #27

No. She was faced with saving her life or her baby's. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #33

A stillborn dies in the uterus. Her baby was a live birth, so not stillborn. n/t tammywammy Jan 2012 #77

Indeed, thank you. uppityperson Dec 2011 #59

Dontcha love Santorum and his Stepford family? n/t backscatter712 Dec 2011 #23

I'm waiting for this to pop up on Snopes, but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't. Aristus Dec 2011 #28

Why would it pop up on Snopes? proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #31

Oh, okay, I didn't know that he willingly documented it. Aristus Dec 2011 #38

A poster here says his wife also wrote about it. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #40

The wife's book doesn't describe an abortion DesertRat Dec 2011 #54

Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu was a well-known hypocrite REP Dec 2011 #56

Yes they did. I find that far less creepy than Romney strapping a dog carrier to the car roof Gormy Cuss Dec 2011 #29

Let's also not forget this baby was aborted proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #30

I do not judge a parent's grief. I do not judge grieving in general. Poll_Blind Dec 2011 #32

I call child abuse when I see it. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #34

People can do odd things when in grief and shock. This isn't political. Bucky Dec 2011 #36

This 'baby' was aborted proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #37

Is Santorum opposed to abortions to save the life of the mother? Bucky Dec 2011 #42

By refusing to call this an abortion, his feelings are clear. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #50

Actually the except posted pretty much does admit it Bucky Dec 2011 #62

It's tough to talk about, but the person you're replying to ecstatic Jan 2012 #90

As long as he speaks out against late term abortions, I will criticize him proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 #95

Medication specifically used to induce labor was not administered. moriah Jan 2012 #91

Yes, it's freaky, but also weirdly honorable and consistent PurityOfEssence Dec 2011 #39

I think you said all that very well cali Dec 2011 #41

Brain bleach, please? Zalatix Dec 2011 #43

People go crazy when a baby dies. Iggo Dec 2011 #47

I'm a pediatric hospice nurse. I think it was good for the siblings to be part of this. mucifer Dec 2011 #48

I'm an elementary teacher proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #51

When I was six someone tried to make me kiss a dead body. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2011 #52

Happened to me when I was 12 and I still have nightmares about it. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #64

In my family we got taken to wakes and funerals from the time we were little dflprincess Dec 2011 #70

I had a similar experience. LuvNewcastle Jan 2012 #80

My MILwas a l&d nurse DesertRat Dec 2011 #53

Most children want to be a part of this experience. mucifer Dec 2011 #55

We do know what happened. His wife had an abortion at 19 weeks & they brought home the fetus REP Dec 2011 #57

What is the source of this supposed abortion? n/t DesertRat Dec 2011 #58

If the baby lived for two hours, it probably wasn't an abortion Nikia Dec 2011 #61

I have a friend who is a gynecologist who used to perform abortions. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #65

This. n/t Control-Z Jan 2012 #79

... Cali_Democrat Dec 2011 #49

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #60

bye. zappaman Dec 2011 #63

Has got to be a farce. HOW can that EVEN be legal in todays day and time???? benld74 Dec 2011 #66

How sad. May your lives be enriched by the experience. Trillo Dec 2011 #67

well, on the one hand - fuck Mark McKinnon arely staircase Dec 2011 #68

Unbelievable. NinetySix Jan 2012 #71

I think the Repubs are just trying to outwierd each other at this point. arely staircase Jan 2012 #81

Cheap DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #72

What would you do? Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2012 #76

I wonder that experience didn't make him more tolerant treestar Jan 2012 #83

"Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It"? freckleback Jan 2012 #84

I find your Broad generalizations to be quite chilling.... FrenchieCat Jan 2012 #85

Amen. +1. cecilfirefox Jan 2012 #93

It used to be common to hold the wake in a person's home. moriah Jan 2012 #86

so hospitals allow you to take the body home and handle it for a few hours? Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #87

Eew. mzmolly Jan 2012 #88

I think we need to be a little fair here, cecilfirefox Jan 2012 #92

what a sick f*ck. bowens43 Jan 2012 #94

Put the issue down and back away slowly. lapislzi Jan 2012 #96