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louis c

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38. If you are an employee at will

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:00 PM

Sep 2017

you can be fired by the employer without being given a reason.

But even if you are fired for "political speech", your employer is protected.

During Charlottesville, Nazis were outed through social media, and they were fired for just being there. Everyone of them was an employee at will.

However, an IBEW electrician from San Francisco was "outed" as a participant at that march, but the union protected his job.

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So let me get this straight, an employer can FORCE you to be subjected to the National [View all] Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 OP

Sure jberryhill Sep 2017 #1

So you can make it a job requirement to be patriotic during a song? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #4

Sure, why not? jberryhill Sep 2017 #9

All the more reason for everyone to have the option of being in a union. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #25

Unions can try to bargain anything they want. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #30

I don't think so . . . but they can make you stand and put your hand over your heart DrDan Sep 2017 #10

Not sure what it means to make you be patriotic, but yes they can make you stand at attention onenote Sep 2017 #22

But the NFL players have a union, so they aren't at-will employees. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #26

The OP question is not about NFL employees jberryhill Sep 2017 #36

They are entertainers and do have to meet certain performance requirements. They are also union... PoliticAverse Sep 2017 #2

Yep Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #3

Now he's going to have to start another thread.... jberryhill Sep 2017 #19

Lol! cwydro Sep 2017 #21

No, I actually was looking for you to respond, I didnt really want to get my answer from a certain Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #28

I'm wrong often jberryhill Sep 2017 #44

Owners are demanding participation in one way , not the other. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #45

Exactly right. I am a lawyer. Why do you want one? AngryAmish Sep 2017 #5

That was my question, as an employer who sells typewriters, i can force patriotic songs on Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #6

What you'd have to do... jberryhill Sep 2017 #12

But you would have to back that claim up Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #13

Yeah jberryhill Sep 2017 #15

We had a guy where I work try that Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #23

The case I had in mind was this one.... jberryhill Sep 2017 #20

but you could break into a coughing fit, sneeze, vomit... samnsara Sep 2017 #31

I believe if you had a daily vomit... jberryhill Sep 2017 #37

Yup. Eko Sep 2017 #7

It's like you've never heard of an employee code of conduct. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #8

Basically, yes . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Sep 2017 #11

They can even make you wear flair!... PoliticAverse Sep 2017 #14

Heh-heh MousePlayingDaffodil Sep 2017 #18

It's a great movie Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #24

One of my favorite movies ever! smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #32

This is ABSOLUTELY the reason companies are able to fire outed Nazi protesters we seen in the news. JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #16

Eliot apparently believes you are required to employ Nazis jberryhill Sep 2017 #17

Are you a federal employee? leftstreet Sep 2017 #27

i was tricked into going to a 'prayer meeting' ... samnsara Sep 2017 #29

That's interesting I had this same convo with a local at at a bar tonight. Volaris Sep 2017 #33

OK. I have some experience in this louis c Sep 2017 #34

OK, so as you and others have stated, you can be forced to show patriotism so to speak. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #35

If you are an employee at will louis c Sep 2017 #38

"Offices, gas stations, fortune 500 companies, Wall Street, etc." jberryhill Sep 2017 #39

The First Amendment does not apply at work. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #40

Yep....I don't get why people don't know that. AncientGeezer Sep 2017 #41

Welcome to DU, and the discussion. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #42

I know that Jehovahs Witnesses don't participate in pledge of allegiance ecstatic Sep 2017 #43