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In reply to the discussion: WaPo: Russia paid for Facebook ads encouraging Bernie supporters not to vote last November [View all]RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)94. That's not true at all
Bernie, like comey, the msnbc crowd, the president, and the whole world thought there wasn't really a need to campaign hard for Hillary.
My observation of Bernie was that he was scared witless Trump might win.
But hey, even in the face of pro-Bernie FACTS (e.g., he went twice to WI), it's still important to find fault with him -- speculate that his speeches were limp, imply that his heart wasn't in it because he thought Hillary would win.
I think a lot of people are a little embarrassed by how lightly they took the ass and did not push harder.
I can't think of ANYONE -- elected or rank and file voter -- who feels that way other than those who refused to vote for Hillary, and a good big bunch of them weren't Democrats to start with.
What kinds of Sanders voters supported Trump?
Perhaps the most important feature of Sanders-Trump voters is this: They werent really Democrats to begin with.
Of course, we know that many Sanders voters did not readily identify with the Democratic Party as of 2016, and Schaffner found that Sanders-Trump voters were even less likely to identify as Democrats. Sanders-Trump voters didnt much approve of Obama either.
In fact, this was true well before 2016. In the VOTER Survey, we know how Sanders-Trump voters voted in 2012, based on an earlier interview in November 2012. Only 35 percent of them reported voting for Obama, compared with 95 percent of Sanders-Clinton voters. In other words, Sanders-Trump voters were predisposed to support Republicans in presidential general elections well before Trumps candidacy.
Schaffner found that what distinguished Sanders-Trump voters from Sanders-Clinton voters wasnt their attitudes about trade, but their attitudes about race. When asked whether whites are advantaged, Sanders-Trump voters were much more likely to disagree than were Sanders-Clinton voters.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/
Perhaps the most important feature of Sanders-Trump voters is this: They werent really Democrats to begin with.
Of course, we know that many Sanders voters did not readily identify with the Democratic Party as of 2016, and Schaffner found that Sanders-Trump voters were even less likely to identify as Democrats. Sanders-Trump voters didnt much approve of Obama either.
In fact, this was true well before 2016. In the VOTER Survey, we know how Sanders-Trump voters voted in 2012, based on an earlier interview in November 2012. Only 35 percent of them reported voting for Obama, compared with 95 percent of Sanders-Clinton voters. In other words, Sanders-Trump voters were predisposed to support Republicans in presidential general elections well before Trumps candidacy.
Schaffner found that what distinguished Sanders-Trump voters from Sanders-Clinton voters wasnt their attitudes about trade, but their attitudes about race. When asked whether whites are advantaged, Sanders-Trump voters were much more likely to disagree than were Sanders-Clinton voters.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/
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WaPo: Russia paid for Facebook ads encouraging Bernie supporters not to vote last November [View all]
Pugster
Sep 2017
OP
So hard to guard against false flag trolls. Vibes to all the admins and moderators
applegrove
Sep 2017
#2
I'm in Wisconsin and voted for Sanders in the Primary (Clinton in the General)
Cuthbert Allgood
Sep 2017
#3
I saw a lot of it on the timelines of two friends- they're both prone to conspiracy theories,
bettyellen
Sep 2017
#5
Well said. I refuse to be gaslighted and told "none of this ever happened"
emulatorloo
Sep 2017
#111
I've yet to see one person who posted or retweeted RT or Guccifer admit regret.
bettyellen
Sep 2017
#83
It's amazing how many people mindlessly repeat that Republican talking point
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#122
And to get to the bottom of it so it doesn't happen again. Head-in-the-sand denial is foolish.
brush
Sep 2017
#34
I remember seeing so many reposts about writing in on ballots and there were only something
bettyellen
Sep 2017
#30
I volunteered in MI during the recount, and there were enough to be pissing off
Ninsianna
Sep 2017
#47
You can probably find them. Russ Feingold joined Bernie at the one in Madison.nt
Autumn
Sep 2017
#72
I don't know where the transcripts are but here are links to a couple that Bernie did for her
Autumn
Sep 2017
#104
Fox is always full of shit because Fox news pulls those numbers out of their ass.
Autumn
Sep 2017
#108
He has a difficult time saying just her name. I think the propaganda worked on him too....
bettyellen
Sep 2017
#85
I had seen quite a few and then started clicking on "see less" like this. I just didn't want to
bettyellen
Sep 2017
#38
I explained to friends that those RT and Guccifer things were repackaged RW crap....
bettyellen
Sep 2017
#81
If you have apps that block all facebook ads, then you should disqualify yourself from this convo.
eggplant
Sep 2017
#36
I still don't understand why you seem get so defensive in threads about Busters?
emulatorloo
Sep 2017
#117
While only one is from the midwest I can count 5 family members and 4 friends who voted for Bernie
CentralMass
Sep 2017
#13
And three of my friends who voted for Bernie in the primaries opted not to vote for Hillary.
musicblind
Sep 2017
#61
"Casting blame seems idiotic and self defeating in that light. Get with the program folks."
Tobin S.
Sep 2017
#41
As Hillary said in her interview with Chris Hayes, Propaganda works. She is not blaming...
Hekate
Sep 2017
#40
It was just reported on CNN that the Russians placed thousands of ads on Facebook....
George II
Sep 2017
#86
I remember seeing something where that site was flagged as a "Fake News" outlet AND/OR...
NurseJackie
Sep 2017
#87
Well if the posts there from RT, Cenk Uygur and the Intercept are any indication
ehrnst
Sep 2017
#89
No one said that. He had to have benefitted from it to some extent, and it hurt him as well
bettyellen
Sep 2017
#99
How many were long time democrats & how many were new to the political process?
CrispyQ
Sep 2017
#103
Most people under 30 who I have talked to who lean left were adamantly against Hillary
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 2017
#106
The only reason Nina gets invited on these shows is that she and Donald Trump have several....
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2017
#127