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In reply to the discussion: BET did a story about Sarandon harassing @bravenak & Twitter responded in the most racist way. [View all]Ms. Toad
(38,049 posts)That is an entirely separate question. But even if Sarandon deserves, it doesn't mean bravenak does not also deserve the responses she received (including the time-out from Twitter).
Again - this is not about protecting Sarandon, it is about criticizing bullying behavior. Bullying behavior is not OK merely because we don't like the target.
Bravenak created a profane meme - with 9 photos of Sarandon with various versions of "Fuck you" written across the images" with an "apology" to Sarandon for not saying "fuck you" earlier.
Sarandon responded, "Apology accepted."
That is the extent of her response.
But bravenak's followers are claiming Sarandon started it, and that any response to bravenak other than praise is racist. Sorry. It is not. Bravenak engages in bullying behavior, then uses race as a cover. There, unfortunately, are non-white individuals engaging in bullying behavior.
As for what I'm seeing that is identical (including excuses) to the behavior of the bullies who targeted me, here are a few:
into a discussion that she was not included in, thereby signalling her followers to attack her on the nastiest, misogynistic, racial terms.
She was having a conversation with her followers on a thread that Sarandon was not included in, about the truly moronic celebrity who was giddily telling gullible fools that the parties were equivalent, and that it would be wonderful if Trump was elected because it would "bring on the revolution". A sentiment that deserves scorn and a speaker, who was ensconced in her privilege, status and wealth, that earned it honestly.
Said privileged white lady condesecended to accept an apology that was not actually offered, and in doing so exposed someone who is just an average woman, to the harassment and abuse of her followers. Something she was well aware would occur. The tweets her minions unleashed show exactly how cyberbullying happens, and yes, the target of this venom, who is not a celebrity, not a rich, entitled, and awfully bitter white lady who spread a whole lot of propaganda with her status and encouraged a Stein voter that gave us Trump is indeed a victim.
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Sarandon stuck her entitled nose into a thread that didn't include her and which did express what many Americans feel about about her. She and her minions, as well as the minions of the other equally repulsive public figure who unleashed her minions to attack another woman (and it's always women who they attack, isn't it?) did the same.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029648029
i.e. bravenak was not talking to Sarandon. She tweeted to the entire twitterverse (which includes Sarandon), so it's not bullying behavior because she didn't say @SS. As for the apology not being directed to Sarandon:
And another:
she didn't @ SS...it was made for braves followers...SS made a passive aggressive move when she responded to it.
. . . If brave truly wanted to bully her, she would have @ her and have her thousands and thousands of followers (which she doesn't have anywhere near as many as SS) go after her. SS punched down. I also have the same opinion as Brave...Fuck you is how I feel about her..SS knew exactly what she was doing and probably likes the results. I'm seeing a lot of black women on twitter pissed at SS...so I'm, again, going to listen to black women because they know.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029648029
i.e. it's not bullying behavior - she was just speaking to her base. If you don't speak directly to the person you are trashing, and only make a general pronouncement to the world it isn't bullying. Compare that posture to the tweets from Trump when he speaks to his base. Would anyone else his tweets targeted be starting something if they responded? That is the posture of the posts I'm seeing here.
In response to a comment that bravenak started it:
Sarandon did. Bravenak was expressing her opinion, and adding to some meme she had made and left her highness, Sarandon off of. Which is her right.
Sarandon decided to step in and make a condescending remark, which provoked her minions to engage is some frothy racist and misogynistic harassment.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029648029
Bullying behavior doesn't have a viewpoint. Just because you happen to dislike the target of the behavior does not change the nature of the behavior or turn the bully into the the victim. That kind of behavior should be condemned by decent people, not idolized.