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Ms. Toad

(38,049 posts)
83. This has NOTHING to do with whether Sarandon deserves it.
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 07:27 PM
Oct 2017

That is an entirely separate question. But even if Sarandon deserves, it doesn't mean bravenak does not also deserve the responses she received (including the time-out from Twitter).

Again - this is not about protecting Sarandon, it is about criticizing bullying behavior. Bullying behavior is not OK merely because we don't like the target.

Bravenak created a profane meme - with 9 photos of Sarandon with various versions of "Fuck you" written across the images" with an "apology" to Sarandon for not saying "fuck you" earlier.

Sarandon responded, "Apology accepted."

That is the extent of her response.

But bravenak's followers are claiming Sarandon started it, and that any response to bravenak other than praise is racist. Sorry. It is not. Bravenak engages in bullying behavior, then uses race as a cover. There, unfortunately, are non-white individuals engaging in bullying behavior.

As for what I'm seeing that is identical (including excuses) to the behavior of the bullies who targeted me, here are a few:

144. She didn't send Sarandon anything. Sarandon decided to step in

into a discussion that she was not included in
, thereby signalling her followers to attack her on the nastiest, misogynistic, racial terms.

She was having a conversation with her followers on a thread that Sarandon was not included in, about the truly moronic celebrity who was giddily telling gullible fools that the parties were equivalent, and that it would be wonderful if Trump was elected because it would "bring on the revolution". A sentiment that deserves scorn and a speaker, who was ensconced in her privilege, status and wealth, that earned it honestly.

Said privileged white lady condesecended to accept an apology that was not actually offered, and in doing so exposed someone who is just an average woman, to the harassment and abuse of her followers. Something she was well aware would occur. The tweets her minions unleashed show exactly how cyberbullying happens, and yes, the target of this venom, who is not a celebrity, not a rich, entitled, and awfully bitter white lady who spread a whole lot of propaganda with her status and encouraged a Stein voter that gave us Trump is indeed a victim.

. . .

Sarandon stuck her entitled nose into a thread that didn't include her and which did express what many Americans feel about about her. She and her minions, as well as the minions of the other equally repulsive public figure who unleashed her minions to attack another woman (and it's always women who they attack, isn't it?) did the same.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029648029

i.e. bravenak was not talking to Sarandon. She tweeted to the entire twitterverse (which includes Sarandon), so it's not bullying behavior because she didn't say @SS. As for the apology not being directed to Sarandon:
Queen Bravenak on Twitter: "I apologize for not saying fuck you to Susan Sarandon earlier. https://t.co/Wew0wOVMAC"


And another:

347. Bravenak made a meme expressing her views of SS

she didn't @ SS...it was made for braves followers...SS made a passive aggressive move when she responded to it.

. . . If brave truly wanted to bully her, she would have @ her and have her thousands and thousands of followers (which she doesn't have anywhere near as many as SS) go after her. SS punched down. I also have the same opinion as Brave...Fuck you is how I feel about her..SS knew exactly what she was doing and probably likes the results. I'm seeing a lot of black women on twitter pissed at SS...so I'm, again, going to listen to black women because they know.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029648029

i.e. it's not bullying behavior - she was just speaking to her base. If you don't speak directly to the person you are trashing, and only make a general pronouncement to the world it isn't bullying. Compare that posture to the tweets from Trump when he speaks to his base. Would anyone else his tweets targeted be starting something if they responded? That is the posture of the posts I'm seeing here.

In response to a comment that bravenak started it:
407. Well, actually, that's not true.

Sarandon did
. Bravenak was expressing her opinion, and adding to some meme she had made and left her highness, Sarandon off of. Which is her right.

Sarandon decided to step in and make a condescending remark, which provoked her minions to engage is some frothy racist and misogynistic harassment.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029648029

Bullying behavior doesn't have a viewpoint. Just because you happen to dislike the target of the behavior does not change the nature of the behavior or turn the bully into the the victim. That kind of behavior should be condemned by decent people, not idolized.

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Does Susan Sarandon Think there will be a Revolution with what is happening in Puerto Rico ? JI7 Sep 2017 #1
She'll send a tweet from the set of her next movie or the red carpet. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #26
Or her ping pong bar. RandySF Oct 2017 #28
She'll tweet from the set of a movie about her ping pong parlor lapucelle Oct 2017 #79
She's banned here for being a flame thrower. Banned at DKos as an antisemite Arazi Sep 2017 #2
She's a professional victim and a shit-stirer romanic Sep 2017 #4
She is FFR'd not banned. murielm99 Oct 2017 #5
Given her conduct here and elsewhere cwydro Oct 2017 #15
Tell that to all the DUers who have been pintobean Oct 2017 #36
Banned from Reddit, too Rob H. Oct 2017 #11
You can actually be banned from Reddit? Jake Stern Oct 2017 #13
I was just as surprised as you when I first read about it Rob H. Oct 2017 #18
Tell the truth. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #51
You can get banned from a subreddit, but getting banned from all reddit is damned near impossible LittleBlue Oct 2017 #82
Given what I see at Reddit, that is an AMAZING accomplishment. Inkfreak Oct 2017 #46
It's never her fault melman Oct 2017 #12
And now she's been suspended at Twitter? cwydro Oct 2017 #14
Oh, she brings it on, all right, and never resists an invitation to swing. Hortensis Oct 2017 #41
Exactly, I bet some *cough* Russian bots flooded the Twitter buttons. R B Garr Oct 2017 #48
People there swarm/ report others for bullshit Because they know it's largely automated... bettyellen Oct 2017 #62
I'm not on twitter. cwydro Oct 2017 #64
It can take a while to get a good enough bunch of follows to make it interesting and also learn when bettyellen Oct 2017 #66
Yeah I wanted to do it for that reason. cwydro Oct 2017 #67
Absolutely- you'll be shocked at how many bots you run across. Empty profiles, except for political bettyellen Oct 2017 #68
I wasn't very good at negotiating the site. cwydro Oct 2017 #69
I'd suggest heavy use of mute and block. And add big political figures and reporters you like.... bettyellen Oct 2017 #70
Thanks! cwydro Oct 2017 #71
Of course! I do remember it was random and useless when I first joined. But that's easily fixable. bettyellen Oct 2017 #90
... Lordquinton Oct 2017 #92
What does SMH mean? DK504 Oct 2017 #80
Shaking My Head. aikoaiko Oct 2017 #88
Bravenak is not banned at DU. lapucelle Oct 2017 #56
and some how trump is allowed to continue being a serial arsonist. Afromania Sep 2017 #3
That's a serious problem. Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #7
I want Trump to continue exposing himself on Twitter, so I hope he doesn't get banned! nt tblue37 Oct 2017 #50
I would gladly trade cutting off his main venue escalating war of words with N. Korea Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #59
World war 3 is here, basically, and neither Twitter or the GOP will lift a finger to stop it Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #52
That's a serious mischaracterization of the exchange. Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #6
Yep. She wreaks havoc wherever she goes and cwydro Oct 2017 #16
She did one of those for Nina Turner as well oberliner Oct 2017 #33
Oh my ... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #45
Made Me Laugh Me. Oct 2017 #76
Free Bravenak! R B Garr Oct 2017 #8
That's for sure. murielm99 Oct 2017 #21
Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #9
Lol. Banned at twitter. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #10
It's a timeout, not a ban. I just had a timeout. During that time I learned I was married. grossproffit Oct 2017 #20
She posted a profanity laced tweet about and to Susan Sarandon Jake Stern Oct 2017 #17
I love the comments in the Giordano thread. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #19
Alert swarming as usual. That being said, it is always a good time to say Fuck Susan Sarandon. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #22
Interesting congruity in the responses to her. Ninsianna Oct 2017 #24
It's ALWAYS a good time to say Fuck Susan Sarandon. 6000eliot Oct 2017 #53
We have more to worry about than Susan Sarandon-long past time to get over it. jalan48 Oct 2017 #23
We can walk and chew gum at the same time. SaschaHM Oct 2017 #25
She's one of two... NurseJackie Oct 2017 #44
Ah, yes, Bravenak. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2017 #27
And we wonder why we can't have nice things. Petrushka Oct 2017 #29
Last I checked it was Bravenak harassing Susan Sarandon. Nt LostOne4Ever Oct 2017 #30
LOL. Susan Sarandon "harassed" ALL of us by helping that monster into the White House. But Squinch Oct 2017 #38
Sarandon's a dumbass but Loki Liesmith Oct 2017 #31
The most racist way? oberliner Oct 2017 #32
K&R stonecutter357 Oct 2017 #34
Glad DU banned that anti-Semite RandiFan1290 Oct 2017 #35
LOL. Bravenak bothers lots of people by telling the truth a lot of times. Squinch Oct 2017 #37
"Fuck you Susan Sarandon" is the truth? pintobean Oct 2017 #39
"Fuck you Susan Sarandon" is the least Susan Sarandon deserves for helping to put Squinch Oct 2017 #40
No one here protected her from anything. pintobean Oct 2017 #42
Nothing to do with who bravenak was bullying. Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #60
Perfectly put. cwydro Oct 2017 #65
Amazing response! Nt LostOne4Ever Oct 2017 #72
I'm sorry you were treated badly in high school, but the comparison is silly. I haven't seen Squinch Oct 2017 #74
I've seen... tonedevil Oct 2017 #75
Meh. So what. Susan Sarandon is a destructive, entitled, smug idiot. She's a public person. Squinch Oct 2017 #77
Most on here wouldn't have a beef with it Jake Stern Oct 2017 #85
No. It wasn't sarandon's reply that people are objecting to. It was the disgusting racist Squinch Oct 2017 #89
She Didn't Use Means Such As A Private Communication To Start It? Me. Oct 2017 #81
This has NOTHING to do with whether Sarandon deserves it. Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #83
Of course some DU participants embrace the double standard.. X_Digger Oct 2017 #84
Do you not see the irony in your own post? Squinch Oct 2017 #87
Again, I"ll say this: Sarandon is a public figure. If I were to say "Fuck you Trump" to Squinch Oct 2017 #86
Sarandon saying about Clinton: "I believe in a way she is more dangerous" than Trump is the truth? betsuni Oct 2017 #43
It absolutely is the truth and the only thing she deserves to be told 6000eliot Oct 2017 #54
... pintobean Oct 2017 #55
Okay, that's some funny shit. Autumn Oct 2017 #47
Schaden-fucking-fraude riderinthestorm Oct 2017 #49
I doubt she lasts till the new year there. cwydro Oct 2017 #61
DU, Kos. I saw where she was banned from Reddit in one of the threads. There seems to be a pattern. Autumn Oct 2017 #73
The revolution will not be tweeted ucrdem Oct 2017 #57
I stand with bravenak and will proudly repost her here. VermontKevin Oct 2017 #58
whatever G_j Oct 2017 #78
Bravenak proves that the truth hurts. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2017 #63
Reflects poorly on Sarandon. ucrdem Oct 2017 #91
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