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Lee-Lee

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60. It's the standard behavior of these types
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 06:14 AM
Oct 2017

Look at almost all the active shooter cases in history- when armed response and resistance of any kind shows up they either immediately off themselves or they give up.

It's in the psychology of shooters like this.

That is why one of the lessons learned after Columbine is you can't just wait for SWAT to go in when you have cases like this. Instead you have to move toward the sound of the shooters as soon as you have 2 or 3 people. You get to them as fast as possible and maybe you get lucky and kill them, maybe you just disrupt their plans and they shoot at you instead of anyone else and at least you have changed their focus away from civilians. And psychology and experience shows that as soon as you make the presence of armed resistance known most of them are eitehr going to give up or take themselves out.

He had a view that spanned a huge chunk of a very active part of Las Vegas, and there were still wounded people on the ground, people tending to them, people getting up and running from cover- there is no way that whole area was totally free of people in just a few highly chaotic minutes.

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"He killed himself, you baboon" [View all] Miles Archer Oct 2017 OP
Suicide? Not Ruth Oct 2017 #1
I'm thinking murdering 58 people is a mental health issue. cwydro Oct 2017 #54
Go, Keith!!!!! MyOwnPeace Oct 2017 #2
I'm still trying to find out exactly what was the miracle malaise Oct 2017 #3
Did they get him in 11 minutes? IronLionZion Oct 2017 #6
No - see post #16 n/t malaise Oct 2017 #31
me too malaise bdamomma Oct 2017 #7
He DEFINATELY will act inappropriately and say stupid remarks. No question about it. BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #29
I expect him to say something so inappropriate that the media will forget malaise Oct 2017 #32
I heard earlier that an hour went by before they found him. cwydro Oct 2017 #10
72 minutes before they broke down the door. Baitball Blogger Oct 2017 #16
Amazing story. cwydro Oct 2017 #17
This was no miracle. Baitball Blogger Oct 2017 #20
I'm still reeling, and I wasn't there. cwydro Oct 2017 #23
The shooting stopped when officers first got to the room; which was under 15 mins; 7962 Oct 2017 #45
The security guard found him in around that time. joshcryer Oct 2017 #50
The shooter...... SergeStorms Oct 2017 #62
The miracle? Scarsdale Oct 2017 #26
Well, unblock Oct 2017 #4
He also shot the security guard knocking on his door Not Ruth Oct 2017 #27
Thank you, KO. (nt) Paladin Oct 2017 #5
I think he killed himself once he knew they had found him... Princess Turandot Oct 2017 #8
I didn't think so tavernier Oct 2017 #12
Yep - it sure as fuck wasn't some "miracle" Cosmocat Oct 2017 #24
That is usually exactly how these types end it Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #42
Timeframe: is this correct? GusBob Oct 2017 #9
No. That is not correct. onenote Oct 2017 #13
Yes thank you. I found a time frame online GusBob Oct 2017 #14
republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief is clueless Achilleaze Oct 2017 #11
Smoke alarms in the room went off Renew Deal Oct 2017 #15
I bet that's what stopped him. forgotmylogin Oct 2017 #21
Did he run out of ammo? Cosmocat Oct 2017 #25
Not according to the reports I've seen. onenote Oct 2017 #33
The shooter had at least 10 rifles FakeNoose Oct 2017 #28
Yes! yet I've already seen stories "why 10 guns if there was only ONE shooter?" 7962 Oct 2017 #46
He had a plan which he followed to the letter. Last step was suicide. localroger Oct 2017 #52
Fucking moron dalton99a Oct 2017 #18
lmao, GallopingGhost Oct 2017 #19
Especially compared to 45. efhmc Oct 2017 #53
Keith is Great Loyd Oct 2017 #22
I heard he had cameras burnbaby Oct 2017 #30
Umm, it took them over an HOUR to stop him. how is that fast? JoeStuckInOH Oct 2017 #34
there ya go. barbtries Oct 2017 #41
No, he stopped in about 11 minutes as soon as they located his room Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #44
I so appreciate your wisdom on this. cwydro Oct 2017 #55
You are speculating. You don't know. kwassa Oct 2017 #56
It's the standard behavior of these types Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #60
I think anyone that could move was out of that field in 11 minutes. kwassa Oct 2017 #65
The SWAT team was there before 75 minutes Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #66
But the point still remains that he wasn't stopped. He chose to stop ecstatic Oct 2017 #57
By moving to him they changed his focus and that stopped him Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #59
Interesting. OK, you've changed my opinion. Thanks. nt ecstatic Oct 2017 #63
Is all about stopping the killing- be it with a gun or knife or anything Lee-Lee Oct 2017 #64
Trump is an idiot Gothmog Oct 2017 #35
Perhaps motorized ben wahs are interfering with his thoughts. TheBlackAdder Oct 2017 #36
I would give Trump a pass on this one. Oneironaut Oct 2017 #37
Thank you. Sanity prevails. 7962 Oct 2017 #47
he killed himself because the police found him Skittles Oct 2017 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author demigoddess Oct 2017 #39
i gotta go find that tweet. barbtries Oct 2017 #40
it wasn't a miracle, it was a smoke detector. Hamlette Oct 2017 #43
K&R Scurrilous Oct 2017 #48
I still think Rex Tillerson said it best Major Nikon Oct 2017 #49
+1 FailureToCommunicate Oct 2017 #51
Air Moron SunSeeker Oct 2017 #58
That's one of those minor details.... SergeStorms Oct 2017 #61
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