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louis c

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54. Votes are private but politics are public

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 01:00 PM

Oct 2017

If you want your opinion to be taken seriously, then tell us how you voted and if you changed your mind.

If not, please keep your vote and your opinions to yourself, as they carry no credibility.

I know you voted for Hilary and so did I. We both know what a "binary choice" is and the consequences of not choosing the right side of the choice.

I made this mistake in my lifetime. I did not support Hubert Humphrey in 1968. I learned the lesson of a "binary choice" the hard way, at a young age. I saw it happen in 2000, and again last year.

Every time Democrats think it doesn't matter which way we vote in a GE, we get fucked.

Every generation or so, we learn our lesson the hard way. All the OP wants to know, is have the voters who voted 3rd party, sat out or wrote in learned their lesson. If they haven't, their opinion in useless to me.

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Some Trumpers have apologized for their part. Have 3rd party or non-voters started apologizing yet? [View all] Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 OP

Anyone who says that the 2 parties are the same is lying & has an agenda. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #1

In the meantime Donald is filling 100s of judges all throughout our dear nation. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #2

More like Bannon, Sessions and McConnell are doing that DFW Oct 2017 #62

Which HRC would have never done. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #69

Nope DFW Oct 2017 #114

The difference between night & day! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #116

A vote for stein or Johnson was a vote for trump Gothmog Oct 2017 #3

Exactly, that is why am wondering if they have started apologizing for their vote for Trump. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #4

Please explain how a vote for Johnson was a vote for Trump. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #46

A vote for anyone but HRC said to others this election could be gambled with. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #47

That, again, assumes Johnson voters would have cast for Hillary. They wouldn't have. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #48

No! it says we Americans were entitled to good governance. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #49

I know of two who have always voted Democratic brer cat Oct 2017 #70

How are abolishing taxation for a FairTax and gutting the social safety net Democratic tenets?? HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #82

bingo Champion Jack Oct 2017 #83

,,, lapucelle Oct 2017 #85

How could his support base tilt LEFT? HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #88

Youre incredulous at the idea people didnt behave logically? stevenleser Oct 2017 #100

"Johnson votes took Trump votes away". lapucelle Oct 2017 #111

That rather depends on the state metalbot Oct 2017 #143

As far as I can tell, they are doubling down. The woman's convention is a great example. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #5

That's what I take from the Women's March convention. coolsandy Oct 2017 #43

Yes, and those who thought much like this cost us a number of elections in the late 60's and 70's. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #66

I don't want an apology from anyone, I want their vote HopeAgain Oct 2017 #6

I disagree! We will have to agree to disagree. Apologies are always important for TRUST & UNITY! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #8

We don't need to trust and feel unity with every person who votes for us, we just need their votes. Kentonio Oct 2017 #18

In other years past. But this was no ordinary year. People dropped the ball. DO THEY EVEN CARE? Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #20

I don't mean to sound rude, but who cares? Kentonio Oct 2017 #26

This is more than political parties. The general election was a REFERENDUM on DECENCY. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #29

Think of it from the other perspective Kentonio Oct 2017 #37

I think since I also want to see the best in people I know the apologies are forthcoming. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #39

Who cares? The people for whom the '18 and '20 elections won't matter, because I'll be too late lunamagica Oct 2017 #57

For pete's sake, keep up this divisive nonsense, and I will point the finger at YOU when we lose in adigal Oct 2017 #92

I appreciate your sincere & well meaning calls for UNITY! I do! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #93

I'm all for coming together mcar Oct 2017 #95

If Bernie runs as a Dem and wins, we all need to support him adigal Oct 2017 #106

I always support the Democratic nominee mcar Oct 2017 #113

Yes, me too. I would hate to see us do to Bernie what others did to Hillary. nt adigal Oct 2017 #119

I know someone who voted for Bernie to make a point BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #7

Does that person care enough to feel bad about her choice. Has she seen ANY LIGHT? Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #9

She defends her actions by saying that she thought Hillary BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #56

A long time member here was recently PPRd for that very thing stevenleser Oct 2017 #103

What is PPR? BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #107

Posting Privileges Revoked. I.e., banned stevenleser Oct 2017 #110

Oh, I didn't know that could happen. BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #112

"She seems very proud of herself" Smug and self-righteous is more like it The Genealogist Oct 2017 #10

This is how we know she did not really really care or meant well. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #11

I know bernie or buster who lives in a red state meadowlark5 Oct 2017 #12

People who thought their votes did not matter did enough to make it ok to not vote for HRC Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #13

If you care! If you want to be an ally! Start by showing good faith & apologize for your TRUMP vote Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #14

Does it matter? fescuerescue Oct 2017 #15

YES! To show good faith and that they are an ally, yep it does. If Trumpers can apologize..... Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #16

Sure fescuerescue Oct 2017 #21

Good faith shows that the person cares, means well, & not posited to stab in the back when they are Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #24

Why do you need this? MuseRider Oct 2017 #17

This x1000 Kentonio Oct 2017 #19

Really don't care if others agree with me. This is my opinion. To me it shows they realize & care Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #23

This smacks of authoritarianism. MuseRider Oct 2017 #31

WTH! This is about decency & trust. Everyone's vote was important on election day Nov 2016. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #36

You're probably better off posting this on Facebook. Glamrock Oct 2017 #133

No way! Not a Facebook consumer. Zuckerman dropped the ball. EFF him! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #135

It shows they care. To me that's important. If not they are not a truthful & well meaning ally. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #22

I doubt they care what anyone thinks. MuseRider Oct 2017 #27

I care that they don't care. Very telling. Besides I promise you apologies are forthcoming. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #32

Good. MuseRider Oct 2017 #59

Exactly. SMC22307 Oct 2017 #126

LOL. MuseRider Oct 2017 #134

Common decency. Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #42

Out votes are ours and not to share MuseRider Oct 2017 #58

It's not about owing. Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #68

A.M.E.N. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #71

And let's hope the owing doesn't get exponentially greater because it might stevenleser Oct 2017 #115

This lunamagica Oct 2017 #60

I doubt it shows that. I had strained relations w/ a number of friends and coworkers... SMC22307 Oct 2017 #125

I promise the doubters here, that apologies will happen. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #25

The reason to teach kids to apologize isn't to make the wrong-doer feel better. Not Ruth Oct 2017 #28

Third party voters & non voters dropped the ball in most consequential election in their lives Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #33

Were not dealing with children so that all doesnt apply stevenleser Oct 2017 #121

They will NEVER apologize NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #30

That Is It Exactly Me. Oct 2017 #34

This is good to know. I will never trust people who did not care enough on Nov of 2016. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #35

BRB! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #38

Very well said - thanks! And.... George II Oct 2017 #40

Thanks George! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #44

But, but, they read on facebook Jakes Progress Oct 2017 #41

Yeah, apologizing is hard! Shows character, maturity, self-reflection, responsibility and caring. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #45

inappropriate. No one has to publicly apologize for their vote. They either are or they aren't Lil Missy Oct 2017 #50

Inappropriate??? I hate that word. It was used in the 1990's a lot to put down HRC. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #52

Votes are private but politics are public louis c Oct 2017 #54

Yes, if they want their opinion to matter to me, I want to know that they care. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #72

Then we agree louis c Oct 2017 #76

Our votes are mostly the same since I started voting in 1988, DEMS all the way! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #81

Yes, there have been regretful Stein supporters. joshcryer Oct 2017 #51

I hope that enough people realize that they made a mistake ClarendonDem Oct 2017 #53

Good grief! Apologies aren't what's needed. KPN Oct 2017 #55

K&R. Thank you! lunamagica Oct 2017 #61

Good question and points. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #63

No, and many probably won't. The question is really MineralMan Oct 2017 #64

I hope all of this for you and me!!!!! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #73

We are in this together. I hope more people join us in that. MineralMan Oct 2017 #74

I love the fact that many people like you out there mean well. This is lovely to know. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #75

I imagine if they weren't a vocal Trumper they'll just claim they voted for Hillary. briv1016 Oct 2017 #65

Yes, but some went on the record to say publicly they were voting 3rd party or not voting. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #67

This is just divisive venom elehhhhna Oct 2017 #77

We will have to agree to disagree. won't we? LOL! I do appreciate you are so big on unity! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #78

LOL? How is this funny? elehhhhna Oct 2017 #79

Again I do appreciate your sincere UNITY ideals. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #80

Your conception of who you demand unity with BainsBane Oct 2017 #131

agreed Champion Jack Oct 2017 #84

Really. Mariana Oct 2017 #86

You know, it's just easier to blame everyone else instead of looking in a mirror. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #90

They ARE Trump voters BainsBane Oct 2017 #138

I don't get it because it's not true. Mariana Oct 2017 #146

It doesn't have anything to do with assuming their votes would have gone to Hillary BainsBane Oct 2017 #148

The good thing is that no matter how much MuseRider Oct 2017 #87

Last November's election was very clear. And it should be clearer every day. Everyone KNEW BETTER Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #91

Of course it was clear MuseRider Oct 2017 #105

I block everyone's avatars and bylines. Makes downloading pages faster. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #109

Nope, its not. This is the second election in the last five where this happened stevenleser Oct 2017 #108

It's naive, goofy, snowflake territory with a twist of authoritarianism. SMC22307 Oct 2017 #127

Divisive toward the Trump coalition BainsBane Oct 2017 #129

If there are Jamaal510 Oct 2017 #89

They will never apologize mcar Oct 2017 #94

If we are to take things back mcar Oct 2017 #96

In the meantime my OP is being called divisive & authoritarian. WTH? Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #97

Makes no sense mcar Oct 2017 #98

The actions of last year, which I am not allowed to mention, are why Americans are dying Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #102

Yes! We know what we know. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #118

I've been waiting, not the first mea culpa yet... Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #99

Exactly. If they really cared about all that was released on election day with Donald Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #101

Yep. nt stevenleser Oct 2017 #104

Kicking! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #117

When you find the car salesman lied to you somewhat (if you let him) then does that give....... nolabels Oct 2017 #120

and would they do differently if given a second chance? especially now that we know how the story Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #124

That's where chance and free choice take over nolabels Oct 2017 #145

Nope, they don't owe you shit. We need to win their vote Arazi Oct 2017 #122

I disagree. We don't need racist-dictators enablers 3rd party voters, Thank you v much! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #123

Wow. elehhhhna Oct 2017 #137

You awesome big sincere uniter you! wow to you too! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #139

So edgy elehhhhna Oct 2017 #142

Weeh! and you so crispy! WE GOT EACH OTHER FER SURE! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #144

"Get out and work for their vote, one by one. That's how it's done." SMC22307 Oct 2017 #132

They aren't critical of any of that BainsBane Oct 2017 #136

Hear, hear! BainsBane Oct 2017 #128

I am afraid you are right! Which is why I posted my OP & my question. Sadly hear! hear! to u 2. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #130

I have an innate distrust for people who G_j Oct 2017 #140

Am afraid we gots to agree to disagree. Sincere Unifier you! MUCHO APPRECIATION. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #141

I agree. K&R. (NT) louis c Oct 2017 #147

K & R..... revmclaren Oct 2017 #149