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The Velveteen Ocelot

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9. Oh. Michelle Bachmann. Mad as a box of frogs, that one.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 11:26 AM
Oct 2017

And she doesn't even understand a basic doctrine of her own religion (she belongs to the Wisconsin Synod of the Lutheran Church, which is the lunatic fringe of that denomination). When she says "salvation is free" and you don't have to do anything to get into heaven, she is talking about Luther's concept of "justification by faith" (sola fide). Luther came up with the idea as an objection to the Catholic Church's practice of selling indulgences, which over time had become simply the payment of money to the Church, in exchange for which you'd get time off in Purgatory. Luther felt this led to corruption (which it did), so he got himself excommunicated by claiming the only way to heaven was through faith, and you couldn't "buy" your way there even by doing good works. Jesus' death was supposed to have been the "sacrifice" that got believers into heaven. But the rest of Luther's argument was that a person's good works were evidence of and made possible by their faith. Matthew 25, where Jesus says you don't get to go to heaven unless you feed the hungry, etc., makes no sense in Bachmann's version of the sola fide doctrine. She is saying, in effect, that you can be a nasty, sinful asshole (e.g., Donald Trump) and still go to heaven if you believe in Jesus - leaving out the rest of it, which is that if your faith is genuine you won't be a nasty, sinful asshole in the first place.

I'm an agnostic. I don't care much about how many angels Martin Luther had dancing on the head of a pin. But Bachmann shows us the hypocrisy of a whole lot of "Christians" who brag about their faith while happily kicking the least among us in the head.

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Batshit Crazy, that one... MineralMan Oct 2017 #1
Crazy and corrupt. Archae Oct 2017 #4
Guanopath JHB Oct 2017 #7
Totally workinclasszero Oct 2017 #15
We've known for years that Michelle was Looney Tunes and Merry Melodies LongTomH Oct 2017 #2
I kind of thought she was always just acting. Probably just playing the rubes all the way. brewens Oct 2017 #5
"Join a Republican church, and you can rape and pillage to your little heart's content" dalton99a Oct 2017 #3
ah, parsing. dinosaur fossils are paleontology finds, not archaeology finds unblock Oct 2017 #6
Paleoanthropology studies human ancestor evidence millions of years old. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #12
That's my point unblock Oct 2017 #13
Ah, but what about Gobekli Tepe? ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #17
i've talked to creationists, naturally they always have a way to explain anything unblock Oct 2017 #20
That was before the flood Yupster Oct 2017 #23
ah, the answer i usually get has more to do with the greater amount of sin in modern life... unblock Oct 2017 #27
Well, if you have a good diet you can live a long time ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #28
At Ken Hams creation museum in KY Docreed2003 Oct 2017 #33
From my haphazard Sunday school attendance dixiegrrrrl Oct 2017 #39
Just imagine all the nasty things they had to bring on the ark ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #41
Yeah thats pretty typical....dont remember any dinosaurs Docreed2003 Oct 2017 #42
Not a significant difference Nevernose Oct 2017 #22
That's funny, because IIRC there's no archeological proof for anything before King David. DetlefK Oct 2017 #8
"the babylonian exile ..." left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #30
Oh. Michelle Bachmann. Mad as a box of frogs, that one. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2017 #9
AAAaaaaaand....youre the winner of todays thread!!! Docreed2003 Oct 2017 #36
Excellent point. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2017 #40
At this point, Xianity isn't a Middle Eastern religion. Igel Oct 2017 #10
Um, the Abrahamic faiths are quite similar despite the bickering. Buddhism and Hinduism are vastly anneboleyn Oct 2017 #26
Nobody can honestly be this stupid. smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #11
People are indoctrinated. When you grow up with these ideas, you create a mindset to support them. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #14
She's a very grown-ass woman so she's had decades to think about these issues. Her radical beliefs anneboleyn Oct 2017 #25
There is a huge difference between thinking and reasoning. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #38
ZOMG what a dumbass shenmue Oct 2017 #16
Doesn't she realize that Odin will send the Valkyries to punish her for her heresy? nt Binkie The Clown Oct 2017 #18
The valkyries deal with fallen Norse warriors. Neither Odin nor the valkyries would waste a minute anneboleyn Oct 2017 #24
hehe. You got me there. But there must be some god somewhere that she's really pissing off! nt Binkie The Clown Oct 2017 #32
Truth...Valhalla would not welcome Mrs Bachmann Docreed2003 Oct 2017 #37
Nice to see Bachmann quoting The Cranberries Orrex Oct 2017 #19
She declined to seek re-election, being under a cloud of ethical problems. Let's forget her. struggle4progress Oct 2017 #21
Name one, Michele. sinkingfeeling Oct 2017 #29
Proof the world is older than 6,000 years is the Devil's work left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #31
She hasn't been institutionalized yet? lpbk2713 Oct 2017 #34
I wouldn't be surprised if we aren't told. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #43
I hate these people. I want nothing to do with their religion. Initech Oct 2017 #35
Locking - the consensus of the hosts is that this belongs in the Religion group muriel_volestrangler Oct 2017 #44
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