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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
16. Not true...Virginia is a must win
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 05:52 PM
Oct 2017

The national narrative will completely change if Gillespie wins. It will equate to 2017 being a successful year for the GOP. Trump will taunt and taunt. Suddenly the low approval ratings mean nothing. Republicans who are hesitant to run in 2018 will sense they can get away with it, if not thrive. It will lead to even more outrageous candidates successfully wooed by Bannon.

I don't believe in this poll margin, or the ones indicating Northam has a big lead. Logic points to a tight race. Gillespie barely lost to Mark Warner in the 2014 senate race despite Warner owning a 56% approval rating and leading the pre-election polls by 9 points on average. Yet they were still counting the votes days after election day. That's how tight it was. I remember Nate Silver writing a very long column after being surprised at how tight that outcome turned out to be. He said it would have been the largest senate upset in nearly 20 years based on polling.

So if Gillespie owned enough benefit of a doubt 3 years ago against a popular incumbent I don't see hows he's projected to get thumped in an open race against a lesser candidate. Voters typically are more willing to switch parties for governor than in federal races.

Besides, the white and rural trend toward Republicans is very real. Gillespie likely will outperform his 2014 numbers in those rural areas. Coal is a factor in Virginia.

While intelligent voters are outraged at Trump and independents have shifted away from him, the bottom line in these odd-year races is that turnout is comparatively low...probably 40% or less...and those rural angry white voters are more likely to show up than some of our constituencies like young single females, who often can't be bothered to vote in elections like this one.

I still think Northam will win narrowly but obviously an indication like this one is a jolt.

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This is effing scary! lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #1
Check out his latest advert hibbing Oct 2017 #2
Okay here's the thing I'm waiting for somebody to question the poll or it's methodology Tiggeroshii Oct 2017 #3
Hampton is an HBCU. I highly doubt that poll is legit. brush Oct 2017 #19
Hbcu? Tiggeroshii Oct 2017 #21
AA students favoring a repug? Doubtful. brush Oct 2017 #34
The center polled 750 registered voters, not students. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #47
I do not know if it is or is not, BUT Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #33
538 grades them a "B" with a very slight D leaning. FBaggins Oct 2017 #42
Good to know! Thanks Tiggeroshii Oct 2017 #45
Hug your loved ones, take that trip you have been debating, there likely isnt enough Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #4
I totally agree! mfcorey1 Oct 2017 #43
And we keep hearing how the Republican party is in a meltdown. They get doc03 Oct 2017 #5
Fortunately even if we lose Virginia, we will win nj Tiggeroshii Oct 2017 #6
Not true...Virginia is a must win Awsi Dooger Oct 2017 #16
They love them confederate monuments more than the USA. muntrv Oct 2017 #7
Seems like an outlier. I will await more polls DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 #8
I mean it isn't even being considered in rcp yet or 538. Tiggeroshii Oct 2017 #9
It's an outlier and an extreme one at that. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 #10
You made me look, I saw that one but 2016... 4139 Oct 2017 #12
So they are 1 for 2. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 #14
No, the 2014 senate poll the did not release! They knew it was bad and didnt release it 4139 Oct 2017 #18
Maybe they shouldn't have released this poll since it's an outlier too DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 #20
Whew! Thanks for the info. octoberlib Oct 2017 #13
They could be right, DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 #15
David Beard of DK Elections octoberlib Oct 2017 #11
LOL Tiggeroshii Oct 2017 #17
Just got an email about call out the vote in VA crazycatlady Oct 2017 #22
Thanks riversedge Oct 2017 #27
He's going to lose by 20. ileus Oct 2017 #23
How do you know? Tiggeroshii Oct 2017 #24
he may not win by 20 ileus Oct 2017 #25
California still elected Pete Wilson and enacted the 3 strikes law Tiggeroshii Oct 2017 #26
Do you happen to know... KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #32
We also said Hillary couldn't lose. OliverQ Oct 2017 #35
That's not a good analogy IMO. First, HRC was going to win big before the Comey intervention StevieM Oct 2017 #41
Such confidence. Dawson Leery Oct 2017 #36
No BainsBane Oct 2017 #38
Yeah....I don't think so. RandySF Oct 2017 #28
No poll has shown more than 10% undecided. Dawson Leery Oct 2017 #29
They used a different methodology FBaggins Oct 2017 #44
That's a bad sign because those who are sure are far more likely to vote than those who arent Tiggeroshii Oct 2017 #46
538 tweeted on it. RandySF Oct 2017 #30
Even with the Hampton poll figured in . . . peggysue2 Oct 2017 #31
This poll also had Donnie up by 3 last year. Dawson Leery Oct 2017 #37
Hampton U had Perriello winning the primary. RandySF Oct 2017 #39
Thanks for that. 27% undecided sounds really fishy too KelleyKramer Oct 2017 #40
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