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louis c

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Fri Nov 3, 2017, 09:29 AM Nov 2017

The Democratic Party for Democrats [View all]

Let me start out by giving a little background about myself. I'm a union rep who sits on a number of Political Action Committees. I am also the chairman of my city's ward committee for the State Democratic Party. I have attended each state convention as a delegate for the past 16 years. I contribute financially to the party and individual candidates every year. I think that background information is necessary to put my opinion in perspective.

Independents are not Democrats. I love Bernie and his ideas. I, too, am a Socialist at heart. But Bernie was never a Democrat until this past primary season, and he has returned to being an Independent since the election. As I said, I'm a Democrat. That means that I advance the party's agenda in every election, all the time. Sometimes, my candidate loses in the primary, as Hillary did in 2008. I was an ardent Obama supporter the day after Hillary conceded. You see, I know any Democratic President is better than any Republican President, every time. Supreme Court appointments, lesser federal judges, Labor Board appointments, cabinet members, the entire executive branch. I might not get 100% of what I want, but I know I will be happier about my government on more days than not with a Democrat in the White House.

The Democratic Party stands for something. Workers' Rights (my most important issue), but also other social issues I agree with: Women's Rights, Civil Rights, Voting Rights. They will spend our tax dollars on the most vulnerable of our citizens and work for a fairer tax system that is not tilted to the wealthy.

Hillary has been a Democrat for 50 years (just like me). Toiling in the vineyards of partisan politics. Bernie, on the other hand, was an Independent (albeit, as a Senator, he caucuses with the Democrats). But Bill and Hillary went out on the campaign trail for other Democrats who ran for Congress, Senator, Governor and lesser offices. Bill and Hillary raised money, helped get out the vote and infused energy into Democratic campaigns for decades. Many Democratic office holders owe their seats to the Clinton's. Is it that far fetched to think that that loyalty was transferable? "Super Delegates" have that designation because they have held office as Democrats, by campaigning as Democrats, or providing years of service to the Democratic Party.

Bernie, on the other hand, has great ideas, but has not dedicated his political life to the Democratic Party. As a result, the institutional strength of the Hillary campaign, within the party, should be understood by him and his supporters. When the party was struggling, financially, Hillary knew that would have a very negative effect on Democrats winning not only the White House, but elections at every level. Hillary entered the breach. Bernie did not. Did the people whose jobs she saved at the DNC appreciate her efforts. Well, ya, wouldn't you?

Bernie's a great Senator. But, in the end, he's not a Democrat, by his own admission.

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K&R stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #1
K&R IADEMO2004 Nov 2017 #2
No argument from me leftofcool Nov 2017 #3
Bernie's guy JEFF WEAVER is trashing Democrats again trueblue2007 Nov 2017 #61
K & R SunSeeker Nov 2017 #4
Well Said! dlk Nov 2017 #5
K&R Rebl2 Nov 2017 #6
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Nov 2017 #7
That pretty much puts it all out there, doesn't it? NBachers Nov 2017 #8
No need to wonder why rainin Nov 2017 #9
Actually, you were the first billh58 Nov 2017 #11
I didn't flame my rainin Nov 2017 #14
Sounds like post-count billh58 Nov 2017 #16
You're sounding very hostile rainin Nov 2017 #18
Not really. billh58 Nov 2017 #19
Good. rainin Nov 2017 #20
I'm so honored billh58 Nov 2017 #23
Well, by your logic, we should allow a Republican to also run for the Democratic nomination louis c Nov 2017 #13
Although your example sounds extreme, rainin Nov 2017 #17
That strategy is OK when voting in GE, but a Democrat should be a Democrat for more than 14 months.. louis c Nov 2017 #22
Well said Blue_Roses Nov 2017 #30
This is a Democratic site. We don't vote for Republicans under any circumstance. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #47
You're right rainin Nov 2017 #86
Isn't that primarily billh58 Nov 2017 #24
Actually, that's how we ended up with Obama louis c Nov 2017 #33
I totally agree, and I was just billh58 Nov 2017 #34
That is exactly how Trump won...issues are meaningless if you lose...and our 'friend' who Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #49
Now you're talking. That's exactly it. My if I use that from now on to explain how Sanders... brush Nov 2017 #43
All Hillary supporters... tonedevil Nov 2017 #52
Short lived and Repudiated by the Candidate (NT) louis c Nov 2017 #65
The Dem Party has rules setting forth what a candidate with a "D" by his/her name must have. Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #25
No independent should be permitted to run as a Democrat ever again after what happened in 16. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #50
I would agree with that. It was always confusing, and it is different. Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #64
Party Loyalty means building an organization of delisen Nov 2017 #81
Well said! Bernie was invited but he didn't accept the invitation FakeNoose Nov 2017 #10
Words of wisdom for all of us to remember Pepsidog Nov 2017 #12
K&R Sedona Nov 2017 #15
This is true. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #21
K&R traladeda Nov 2017 #26
There should be rules such as must be a Democrat for at least three years to run as a candidate. Doodley Nov 2017 #27
Bernie showed up at the church, refused to join, condemned the members, then asked to be the pastor. wyldwolf Nov 2017 #28
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Everything moda253 Nov 2017 #41
My oh my. The Polack MSgt Nov 2017 #42
Hahahahahahahahahaha! Thanks, I needed a chuckle. You nailed it. brush Nov 2017 #44
Perfect. NYC Liberal Nov 2017 #55
Great analogy. liquid diamond Nov 2017 #56
That's sure as hell the way I saw it.. aka-chmeee Nov 2017 #69
+++++++++++++ lapucelle Nov 2017 #80
You said it perfectly. Thank you! NT Bleacher Creature Nov 2017 #29
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #31
I am a registered Democrat MadCrow Nov 2017 #36
We're talking about who we should nominate, not who should vote for us louis c Nov 2017 #37
Time for a new face HopeAgain Nov 2017 #32
My political loyalty is to my party over any individual candidate louis c Nov 2017 #35
I agree Skittles Nov 2017 #45
Read this...Brazile is full of crap! videohead5 Nov 2017 #38
Should any campaign --ever-- have control over the DNC? RiverStone Nov 2017 #40
KnR Hekate Nov 2017 #39
As a rabid Hillary supporter, I say...pretty please...go away. This is divisive. Tarc Nov 2017 #46
Thank you. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #77
No, hes not a registered Democrat, but he has fundraised for and supported Democrats for many years. liberalnarb Nov 2017 #48
At the same time, as you say all this, you have to remember that the fastest growing political Vinca Nov 2017 #51
This retired union rep feels exactly the same way as louis c. lkinwi Nov 2017 #53
Amen. Any true democrat who has been loyal liquid diamond Nov 2017 #54
Tribalism for the win! LittleBlue Nov 2017 #57
And lonerism is a recipe for chaos and failure. revmclaren Nov 2017 #84
Speaking about workers and unions, and as a retired union representative guillaumeb Nov 2017 #58
Labor Board appointments who sided with unions louis c Nov 2017 #66
Our rank and file certainly do cut their own throats. lkinwi Nov 2017 #70
So agree with you fellow Union Person. Wellstone ruled Nov 2017 #59
K&R Gothmog Nov 2017 #60
Kicking! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #62
K&R, perfectly written, and I agree totally. phylny Nov 2017 #63
Nobody gives two shits about this ProfessorPlum Nov 2017 #67
73 Recs. First in Trending today and 3 stars on Greatest Page. Somebody cares. louis c Nov 2017 #73
Actually it appears that many do. kcr Nov 2017 #83
As of today 11/03/2017, I have resigned my life time membership to the Democratic Party! TarponSnook Nov 2017 #68
Maybe we can beat Trump next election with the Green Party louis c Nov 2017 #72
Maybe we can beat Trump next election with the Green Party. LenaBaby61 Nov 2017 #85
*GIGANTIC* r#73 &k!!!!! UTUSN Nov 2017 #71
Well said. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2017 #74
thanks louis c Nov 2017 #75
It doesn't matter whether Bernie is a Democrat or not. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #76
That's all well and good, but Democratic Party needs to be for more than Democrats... aikoaiko Nov 2017 #78
BOOOOMMMM!!!!! Great post. Dead on. nt Blue_true Nov 2017 #79
K&R... revmclaren Nov 2017 #82
K&R - Thanks, Louis. n/t KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2017 #87
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