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44. I don't necessarily judge someone based on one report on ANYONE, unless there is evidence,

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 08:13 PM

Nov 2017

and that photo was NOT evidence. He was totally hamming it up for the camera. If he were really groping her, he would not have been posing for a pic.

One incident could be a lie, or one bad mistake. What I believe is 1) evidence 2) corroboration 3) a pattern of behavior.

Anyone could report anyone for anything. Someone could fall and break their arm and say I pushed them, and file charges for assault. No witnesses, no evidence, am I automatically guilty, even though I have never assaulted anyone before?

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Why are we so quick to rush to judgement on Al Franken? [View all] trof Nov 2017 OP

K&R smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #1

I hear ya. trof Nov 2017 #2

Trial by Media will never have a happy ending. FarPoint Nov 2017 #62

Maybe those people are not really Democrats. rockfordfile Nov 2017 #16

Yes, just what I was thinking. smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #18

Same here liberal_patriot_md Nov 2017 #89

I completely agree with you in every way. smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #105

NOT me. Been pushing back on this shit all day BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #3

THANK YOU trof Nov 2017 #5

I just watched her interview. Cattledog Nov 2017 #4

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #8

"She's no convent girl" melman Nov 2017 #14

I dont believe anything she says that cant be corroborated by witnesses. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #24

She showed the photo.... SergeStorms Nov 2017 #96

I hope Franken can withstand. He's such an asset to Dems. The lady applegrove Nov 2017 #6

can the ethics committee make it a partisan witch hunt or are there procedures to avoid that? nt populistdriven Nov 2017 #47

Don't know. I assume people will be interviewed or asked to testify. applegrove Nov 2017 #52

One person suggested she has ties to Hannity Pugster Nov 2017 #7

She's appeared on his show. trof Nov 2017 #9

Well this is A Democratic website and posters are Democrats ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #12

She was a regular, a birther grantcart Nov 2017 #23

A birther? Holy shit its worse than I thought. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #25

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #26

This is sexist bullshit. Because she had a photo in a bikini, it means she's not patriotic? Squinch Nov 2017 #40

My knuckles are fine ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #59

It wasn't meant to be kind. Your post was disgustingly sexist. Squinch Nov 2017 #69

Ouch ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #70

LOL. Apparently. Squinch Nov 2017 #115

can we NOT slut shame? Raine1967 Nov 2017 #48

Lot's of weird and creepy sexism showing up in these threads. Squinch Nov 2017 #49

I see it and can't stand it. Raine1967 Nov 2017 #50

There is nothing wrong in taking the allegation seriously Puzzledtraveller Nov 2017 #10

Yes, there is. trof Nov 2017 #13

You have to take all allegations seriously Puzzledtraveller Nov 2017 #15

You didn't assess the evidence rockfordfile Nov 2017 #17

What evidence? atreides1 Nov 2017 #88

The photographer said it was a joke womanofthehills Nov 2017 #95

Where did you see that the photographer said that? sl8 Nov 2017 #102

Did she consent to her participation? Marengo Nov 2017 #101

Hasn't just about every DU member ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #21

Lol! Squinch Nov 2017 #39

Long pattern of behavior, corroborated by numerous victims and Lisa0825 Nov 2017 #45

. liberal_patriot_md Nov 2017 #92

GMTA Lisa0825 Nov 2017 #93

But whaddabout... Whaddabout... Whaddabout... Wednesdays Nov 2017 #111

Show a link or a thread where someone has already convicted him. It just hasn't happened. Squinch Nov 2017 #38

Just because you haven't seen all the posts demanding he resign right now! kcr Nov 2017 #43

I have almost no one on ignore, and I just read through 4 pages of DU headlines. Squinch Nov 2017 #46

So your position ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #67

You are misreading my post. Squinch Nov 2017 #68

Fair enough ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #71

Yeah, I see you trying to wrap your arms around that. Not sure why it's so hard for you, Squinch Nov 2017 #76

what suspicions do you have? ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #82

It's just soooooo confusing and frustrating!!!! Squinch Nov 2017 #84

Good God, man, there's a PHOTO RandomAccess Nov 2017 #55

A photo of what appears to be a staged gag which, though admittedly creepy, the woman Squinch Nov 2017 #83

Well, I think it's right to... renegade000 Nov 2017 #11

So should we wait until there is an ethics investigation ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #20

Franken requested the investigation. I'm assuming it is his smart way to get it on the official Squinch Nov 2017 #33

I haven't seen anyone on here ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #19

Demand we have to believe all the accusations without any proof is a trap. LisaL Nov 2017 #22

At last count, there were 9 women making accusations against Moore. Only 1 woman has come out... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2017 #28

Thank you ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #30

Sure ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #66

Not sure why it's "very frustrating" for Democrats, posting on a democratic message board to... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2017 #75

So Dems should question ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #80

You're working so hard at this, but it just isn't happening. Squinch Nov 2017 #86

Multiple accusers equals "there" there. One accuser? We don't know if there's any "there" there. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2017 #103

Maybe, but why did Roger Stone tweet last night that something was coming to Franken today? brush Nov 2017 #41

No, we read. Duppers Nov 2017 #64

The current environment here and everyway has every male potentially liable. democratisphere Nov 2017 #27

Poor dear. Squinch Nov 2017 #36

Ok, lesson #1, you must have missed this. JNelson6563 Nov 2017 #29

True. The more I read the more relieved I am mvd Nov 2017 #32

Who here has called for his head? Do link to anyone who has done that. Squinch Nov 2017 #35

Journalist Michelle Goldberg said Franken should resign. SunSeeker Nov 2017 #72

I guess she's "many a liberal" then. Squinch Nov 2017 #79

Her Op-Ed is getting out-sized attention. She knew it would. SunSeeker Nov 2017 #85

She also wrote that ridiculous Juanita Brodderick column a few days ago. Justitia Nov 2017 #94

Missed that one. But I remember her wagging her finger at Hillary during the campaign. SunSeeker Nov 2017 #98

Lesson #2 internet bigger than DU JNelson6563 Nov 2017 #107

LOL! Well! You told me! Twitter and facebook must be SO much more important Squinch Nov 2017 #108

I find self righteous liberals JNelson6563 Nov 2017 #109

... he said self-righteously... Squinch Nov 2017 #110

Two things: Squinch Nov 2017 #31

+1 Raine1967 Nov 2017 #51

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We like falling on our own swords Blue_Tires Nov 2017 #34

We have to cave so as not to appear biased. Binkie The Clown Nov 2017 #37

Its not a gag, though. Its not funny at all. Oneironaut Nov 2017 #42

I think his apology made it clear that he gets that. He is one of the few in Squinch Nov 2017 #57

I don't necessarily judge someone based on one report on ANYONE, unless there is evidence, Lisa0825 Nov 2017 #44

I am shocked how angry this thread has gotten. marble falls Nov 2017 #54

Because he admitted it? djg21 Nov 2017 #56

His accuser accepted his apology. I believe his request for an ethics inquiry was made Squinch Nov 2017 #60

I agree with you. I feel that Senator Franken is not a creeper. Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #58

Thank you. Common sense in short supply here recently. nt Atticus Nov 2017 #61

Agree Trof Polly Hennessey Nov 2017 #63

Damn Straight montanacowboy Nov 2017 #65

K & R SunSeeker Nov 2017 #73

Once again are Dems going to accept this false equivalency? Pepsidog Nov 2017 #74

Al could bridge the divide between the corporate and progressive Dems as presidential candidate yurbud Nov 2017 #77

REC!!!!! unhip white guy Nov 2017 #78

A lot of suspicious things about this case. The woman agreed to the kiss and was playing OliverQ Nov 2017 #81

If Franken was an abuser, there would have been rumors going back decades tenderfoot Nov 2017 #87

Randi Rhodes worked with him for yrs at Air America and she seems to think the story is suspicious womanofthehills Nov 2017 #97

I have a saying lately Lazy Daisy Nov 2017 #90

Thank you. cwydro Nov 2017 #91

I haven't rushed to judgment on Al Franken, Nitram Nov 2017 #99

Someone told me mchill Nov 2017 #100

Big fat hairy difference between a comedy gig gone raunchy. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2017 #104

Have you been reading a different DU? mythology Nov 2017 #106

Me personally Corgigal Nov 2017 #112

Agreed. Franken is not the enemy - Moore is! Joe941 Nov 2017 #113

"Everything I know and have read about him tells me he is not this guy." oberliner Nov 2017 #114