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grantcart

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110. No Americans should have some self awareness and stop lecturing everyone else.
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 11:10 PM
Nov 2017

We haven't just elected a regressive political force but the stupidest most racist chief executive and head of state in the world. If you had any awareness of how this is perceived around the world then you would realize how ridiculous it is for Americans to offer any advice to anyone at this point in history.

Beyond that you have a very weak understanding of what the Head of State is and how it functions.

The head of state is the symbol of unity for the country and allows, in most cases, for a non-political moral force to speak to the larger issues of society. For example in Germany when the political parties have come to a disastrous log jam in forming a new government, which could open the opportunity for far right parties to gain if another election is held today. Head of State President Frank-Walter Steinmeier has intervened lecturing all of the larger parties to put the country first. Some countries choose to elect a head of state and others choose to use a royal structure which intends to strengthen familial ties with the idea that everyone in the country is part of a larger national family.

This is what a head of state can do. Lincoln did it, Roosevelt did it and Obama did it.

Queen Elizabeth, the Head of State for the UK, has been supportive of efforts to have universal health care extended as a way of healing the country after WWII.

Prince Charles has assisted the country by talking openly about the problem of mental illness and the effects of his mothers violent death when he was young:



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/20/mental-health-royal-family-government-children-illness

The public profile of mental health experienced another boost this week, thanks to some moving comments made by Prince Harry and the Duke of Cambridge about the impact of their mother’s death, nearly 20 years ago. The two royals are working for the Heads Together campaign, which seeks to combat the stigma surrounding mental health issues, and to encourage people to speak more openly about their difficulties.

Harry’s admission that he had ignored his own emotional distress for several years before eventually having counselling was a valuable contribution, from a figure more commonly associated with laddish machismo. William’s focus on male suicide statistics was also a good use of his celebrity.

The royal family cannot get involved in divisive party political issues, and so we can only conclude from these interventions that mental health is something that exists beyond the fray of politics. Breaking the “stigma” surrounding mental health issues is certainly not something that one would want to identify as a leftwing or a rightwing agenda.




You have made a big investment to show enormous rage not on someone who is Head of State or next to head of state but is currently 5th in line, and is very unlikely to ever become Head of State.

Your comments are chauvinistic, patronizing, ignorant and unhelpful to informed discourse. It is very similar to the kind of ignorant outbursts that Trump exercises when he lectures other countries how they should run their country.

The British will tell you to a person that they really don't need any assistance from you on how to structure their government, their society or their royal family. They have done quite well to achieve a higher educated, less violent society that embraces excellent health care for all of their citizens. You would be well advised to delete the OP because you clearly have little understanding of the issue.

That you would somehow infer that we should not interfere with another country's internal affairs is an argument that we should adopt their system displays just how American-centric you are (again, like Trump).

Not everything is about us. We should be concerned about putting out our own fires and not try to live up to the terrible image that Trump presents.

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It's up to her, isn't it? LisaL Nov 2017 #1
Certainly...and it is up to us to have opinions about people or things, no?? nt adigal Nov 2017 #9
With limits. Aren't limits what you're talking about here? Hortensis Nov 2017 #125
Umm. Did you ever do idiotic things in your youth cally Nov 2017 #2
Of course, I did idiotic things as a youth...but never dressed up in blackface or like a Nazi adigal Nov 2017 #7
He was a dumb 22 year old kid at a themed costume party Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #3
Oh, OK. I didn't realize wearing a fricking NAZI uniform was just dumb. adigal Nov 2017 #19
Oh for fucks sake... Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #70
Thank you EffieBlack Nov 2017 #76
I've got to agree with you on this one, Draht. PatrickforO Nov 2017 #91
I am sure you were a hit at the party Drahthaardogs Nov 2017 #94
This! mcar Nov 2017 #113
Brits have a long and negative history with Nazi Germany BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #71
You aren't seriously considering that Harry wore the uniform to criticize the Nazis?? adigal Nov 2017 #78
The thread sure has helped you pump up your post counts BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #89
You do realise canetoad Nov 2017 #123
He did something wrong but apologized and has done many other things JI7 Nov 2017 #4
Oh, he was a young child of 20?? Ok!! But be honest. If Donny Trump Jr did this at 20 adigal Nov 2017 #12
Donny Jr. has done nothing good his whole life except not get caught drinking. pnwmom Nov 2017 #15
Sure, expect in 2009, at the age of 25, he was calling Muslims "ragheads" adigal Nov 2017 #22
The fact you have to make up don jr doing something good JI7 Nov 2017 #35
Huh????? adigal Nov 2017 #41
Don jr has done nothing good in his life ever. So your comparison is BS JI7 Nov 2017 #20
We'll never know Bettie Nov 2017 #33
Never forget W gave up drinking at 40 and many called it a "youthful indiscretion." rogue emissary Nov 2017 #34
Maybe the essence of who he is wasn't summed up by one dumb photograph Bucky Nov 2017 #5
The British who pay for their upkeep might disagree with you. nt adigal Nov 2017 #13
Sure, the institution is silly Bucky Nov 2017 #21
Not sure what our democracy has to do with supporting leeches adigal Nov 2017 #24
What the French did with their royals Bucky Nov 2017 #73
KIT is a fact the Royal Family brings in much more money than they get obamanut2012 Nov 2017 #26
Oh, good Lord, you are completely and totally wrong...the Queen's money is Brits' money adigal Nov 2017 #63
Their personal wealth is theirs jberryhill Nov 2017 #97
Where did their "personal wealth" come from? Bradshaw3 Nov 2017 #121
Yes, but not germane to the point at hand jberryhill Nov 2017 #127
The goddamn Germans got nothing to do with it!! Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #128
They put Harry in a Nazi uniform!!! jberryhill Nov 2017 #134
Actually very germane Bradshaw3 Nov 2017 #130
Not exactly sure where you are going with this. sheshe2 Nov 2017 #102
The Queen has personal wealth and productive enterprises. The royals are a goldmine for tourism... Hekate Nov 2017 #131
It's very hard to nail down the balance of payments where the royal family's concerned. Denzil_DC Nov 2017 #65
Do you have any data or facts to support this? Bradshaw3 Nov 2017 #122
Don't we have enough trouble with Trump? radical noodle Nov 2017 #135
He's not. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #6
OFFS nini Nov 2017 #8
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #14
Do you think that people who wear Trump Halloween costumes are Trump supporters? n/t pnwmom Nov 2017 #17
Are you seriously making this comparison?? That Harry wore it to troll Nazis?? He never said that adigal Nov 2017 #25
Yeah, it is stupid to troll Nazis by wearing a Nazi costume. He's right. pnwmom Nov 2017 #80
Funny.. you know nothing about me. To assume I give breaks on racism is laughable nini Nov 2017 #28
There are other forms of racism beside black adigal Nov 2017 #37
"I'm surprised you don't know that. " nini Nov 2017 #52
You keep it up with the dems and liberals MyNameGoesHere Nov 2017 #47
No, I'm surprised liberals and Dems, like myself, think what he did was OK adigal Nov 2017 #57
No you didn't MyNameGoesHere Nov 2017 #84
For pete's sake, it's like me saying I hate racist white people adigal Nov 2017 #87
I am glad you did not hear I how spoke when I was 20 GulfCoast66 Nov 2017 #88
So where's your Nazi picture?? or your blackface pictures?? adigal Nov 2017 #64
He was young and stupid Raine Nov 2017 #10
Well, there is this, too adigal Nov 2017 #27
LOL, Headline should be: "Lifelong Welfare Recipient to Marry American Actress/" FSogol Nov 2017 #11
LOL!!! Exactly!!! Why is Meghan lowering herself to marry this spoiled brat??? nt adigal Nov 2017 #16
She is an adult. LisaL Nov 2017 #18
That is true...she is 36. She's better grab Harry while she can! nt adigal Nov 2017 #31
I have a feeling that many of the people who are criticizing Meghans choice EffieBlack Nov 2017 #85
Why do you care so much? Are you British? catbyte Nov 2017 #30
Nope. But I find it really annoying and seriously shows cognitive dissonance for Americans adigal Nov 2017 #32
This whole rant is because shanny Nov 2017 #49
She loves him? dhol82 Nov 2017 #36
So she would have gotten engaged to him if he was a plumber?? Nothing against plumbers, of course. adigal Nov 2017 #38
Boy, you sure have a stick up your ass on this one. dhol82 Nov 2017 #42
It is just like Trump...giving people a break cause they are rich and famous adigal Nov 2017 #59
Nope. Did not try to hurt you. dhol82 Nov 2017 #62
maybe she loves him crazycatlady Nov 2017 #118
Who the fuck cares? n/t NanceGreggs Nov 2017 #23
I'm just annoyed by fellow liberals salivating over "royals" - we got rid of this shit centuries ago adigal Nov 2017 #29
Saying "who the fuck cares" ... NanceGreggs Nov 2017 #69
Right. But liberals who espouse sexist views on women should get a pass. kcr Nov 2017 #126
Seems she found her prince... NCTraveler Nov 2017 #39
Im Jewish BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #40
Yes, he founded the Invictus games and didn't work on it, it was such a mess, Charles had to adigal Nov 2017 #46
You seem really invested in this BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #51
Oh, you all don't agree with me?? I guess I'll have to change my mind!!! adigal Nov 2017 #60
Ok. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #61
Why the snark? Here, have a cookie 🍪 secondwind Nov 2017 #74
Just don't give her any coffee with that cookie. murielm99 Nov 2017 #129
"That means we should let anyone who committed murders when 22 out of prison, right?" EX500rider Nov 2017 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #114
Because life isnt binary like you want it to be. nt Dreamer Tatum Nov 2017 #43
They are a lovely modern couple. I wish them secondwind Nov 2017 #44
With all the crap going on in the world... Liberal Jesus Freak Nov 2017 #45
I know, right? GoCubsGo Nov 2017 #48
I just explained why...and you think wearing a Nazi uniform is no big deal?? Good to know. nt adigal Nov 2017 #54
Yes. And I will tell you why - this is the shit that makes the little guy support those who harm him adigal Nov 2017 #53
I knew it was only a matter of time before "oligarchs" were referenced. yardwork Nov 2017 #92
I'm waiting for the word "coronation" to show up too Wwcd Nov 2017 #104
Just as bad as Trump! Squawk! yardwork Nov 2017 #106
Maybe worse even!! Wait, when did we last hear that comparison? Wwcd Nov 2017 #112
It was inevitable mcar Nov 2017 #117
Well Americans have done such an outstanding electing leaders grantcart Nov 2017 #58
So America should have royals with have different blood than the rest of us?? ya think? adigal Nov 2017 #66
They are anointed by God. BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #72
No Americans should have some self awareness and stop lecturing everyone else. grantcart Nov 2017 #110
Wow. What a perfectly engineered post to stir people up. Cudos! Freelancer Nov 2017 #50
+1 jberryhill Nov 2017 #67
If you think I'm not upset by actual neo-Nazis wearing Nazi uniforms, you haven't read my posts adigal Nov 2017 #75
My arent we angry today? jberryhill Nov 2017 #86
Make you feel good to call me angry?? Maybe we should all be angry at royal families adigal Nov 2017 #90
Are you getting any kind of impression of the feedback you are getting? jberryhill Nov 2017 #93
Truth + a million. Wwcd Nov 2017 #108
Thanks!!! But it is all the same thing. Admiring people cause they are born rich, or famous adigal Nov 2017 #68
So Harry is just the same as Trump? yardwork Nov 2017 #95
Don't forget he was prancing around naked in Las Vegas.. HipChick Nov 2017 #55
Why is it any of your business? Either who Harry marries, or what random internet dwellers.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2017 #56
Excellent point ... Honest to God, I feel like I am losing my grip on my sanity Greywing Nov 2017 #77
You see nothing similar here? Cult of personality, worship of rich and famous adigal Nov 2017 #83
It's mindblowing. Who gives a shit? Two people found each other, and they're getting married. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2017 #99
I don't care. Texasgal Nov 2017 #79
Wait, are you saying you dont care what a 20-year old wore to a Halloween party 15 years ago? BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #81
Nope. Don't care! Texasgal Nov 2017 #98
How long have you been a Nazi sympathizer!!!!!! jberryhill Nov 2017 #100
Ugh... I guess since birth. Texasgal Nov 2017 #101
That's the consensus, but the OP keeps doing CPR on this DOA thread. nt procon Nov 2017 #105
Royal Families are bullshit itsrobert Nov 2017 #82
Most Americans don't care. Texasgal Nov 2017 #107
Has what to do with this engagement? AncientGeezer Nov 2017 #119
I'm not as familiar with either of them as you seem to be. Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #96
"Ragheads" is an army term I've heard since 1991. Ilsa Nov 2017 #109
I'm opposed to royalty and hereditary class distinction and all that ... however ... Rollo Nov 2017 #111
Can you please tell me how Mel Brooks, author of Springtime for Hitler, is a good guy?? edbermac Nov 2017 #115
I did some stupid shit in my 20's. Adrahil Nov 2017 #116
Could be, as an educated woman...she knows WAY more about Harry than you do. AncientGeezer Nov 2017 #120
One cup sugar, xmas74 Nov 2017 #124
I don't know. Maybe you could ask Obama. pnwmom Nov 2017 #132
Bah! Humbug. betsuni Nov 2017 #133
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